please help! can potency be different from grow to grow

[bobman]

I am growing ak47 from serious, and I must say I am not impressed at all. I have one last pheno I hope will be special. Here is my question. When I placed my first round of clones, from this pheno, into flower I believe i gave them to much nitrogen(veg nutes for the first couple of waterings). This pheno did not react well to the excess nitrogen. They did not start to flower until day 45 and there was some weird leaf growth at the top of the plant. Overall the plants have been healthy and green and have good trich development but the last few weeks have taken a toll on them because they have gone so long. They are at 103 days and the trichs are mostly cloudy. Well, I just smoked the nicest sample I could find right off the plant without drying and it did not do a thing to me.

I also have the next round of clones from this pheno in flower at 35 days. I switched to flowering nutes right from the start. These plants look very good and normal so far. I think they will be done in five weeks or around 70 days

Is there a chance these plants will be more potent? The first round of clones were messed up and they are just limping to the end(lost all there fan leaves a few weeks ago) but from my experience good genetics shine through even when there is a hiccup.

 

[MediRI88]

Dry your weed it will work out better when u smoke it !

 

[bobman]

i was thinking that but you should get a nice effect still. I believe I have done this before and gotten stoned. I have also read that it should still get you stoned.

 

[tokinafaty420]

Grow and dry them correctly before you pass judgment on the breeder's stock. There are far too many people out there who have smoked the same strain to know its not shit weed. AK47 is quite medical in it's high and would not be considered weak weed by the average person. I'm not talking about the person who can smoke down a 1/2 oz in a day and still walk around.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Well... some people don't like the AK-47. Some don't like the high, some think it comes on too hard and doesn't last long enough. I don't know if I have ever heard anyone accuse it of lack of potency before, perhaps you'll make it into the Guinness World Book of First Ones with this one.

In any case, I don't think you're going to find one pheno that excells the others radically. The genetics is rather stable, they're all good in my book.

They did not start to flower until day 45 and there was some weird leaf growth at the top of the plant.

You mean to say you went more than six weeks of 12/12 before they actually started flowering? That's pretty hard to believe, especially when talking about a strain that has auto-flowering tendencies.

How sure are you that this is genuine AK-47 genetics?

Something went terribly wrong in this grow. I can't really say if it was the N or not, but waiting 6 weeks for a plant to flower under 12/12 is rare, even with 100% Sativa genetics. It hasn't happened to me since more than 20 years of growing.

 

[bobman]

I have grown out 3 other phenos and dried them properly and I can tell you from my experience so far not so special. I have a friend who grows pre 2000 ak in cali and kind of warned me that the new stuff was not as good but after doing a lot of research I took the plunge. Anyways, this whole strain has been tough but thats not what i want to go into here and now. I was just curious if people have had huge potency change if there was a hiccup in the grow.

 

[tokinafaty420]

I have grown out 3 other phenos and dried them properly and I can tell you from my experience so far not so special. I have a friend who grows pre 2000 ak in cali and kind of warned me that the new stuff was not as good but after doing a lot of research I took the plunge. Anyways, this whole strain has been tough but thats not what i want to go into here and now. I was just curious if people have had huge potency change if there was a hiccup in the grow.

Of course, I've lost potency on clones I've grown out many times due to excessive heat or other issues caused by disease or pests.

 

[bobman]

rosy thanks for your input. I got 2 different packs of seeds, one from attitude or seed boutique and 5 seeds from single seed centre. I believe they were ak because seeds from both packs did auto flower on me. They have also all been different, so much diversity no 2 plants were anything alike. I have 4 other phenos of this plant in hempy buckets right now that are at day 60 and not showing the first sign of flowering. I gave these plants veg nutes for the first couple of feedings as well. I have com to the conclusion that nitrogen caused this problem.

 

[bobman]

thanks tokinafatty, this has been a real bad experience overall and I guess I am just looking for some sort of way to make this strain work out for me. I gambled a lot on this strain expecting to get something good out of 16 seeds. This strain would already be in the garbage if i had anything else to work with. so unfortunately, i am trying to make it work.

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

It didnt work out for me bobman.

I had 4 females out of a pack of seeds and I have to tell you, i wasnt that impressed with it.. It was a long shot from being a "one hitwonder" as advertised. I grew it outdoors and the smoke was ok, but average. I hadnt really seen any other grows of it since i grew it, but you dont see many grow reports or hear anybody rave about it, so i figured my results were probably typical and most of the hoopla about the strain was hype.

Your situation reinforces my belief.

The white Russian is good.

 

[Haps]

OK, most weed is not ready to smoke when dry, it needs to cure first. At least two months. I have five ak's curing right now, when first dry, a joint will get you buzzed, but it will not last. After a month it is more stony and the buzz lasts almost an hour. Reckon after two months it will kick my ass. Mine is from JW, so I have no worries on the genetics, his gear always delivers the goods. Be patient.

 

[bobman]

yes d.s. i have seen very little critical on her, a few grumblings here or there. There was enough to concern me. I should have listened to my friend about the pre 2000. He did not directly say not to get it but he had heard about a difference and said all the good ak was pre 2000. I think people are afraid to diss a strain especially one with a regal pedigree like ak, its a go with the herd mentality.

Haps that seems like a lot to ask from a strain but I hope that works. It seems weird they would get that much more potent but i hope you are right. Please let me know how they turn out. I have recently read that ak needs a month cure. Right now all my phenos lose their smell after they are dried. A little lingers if you press the bud but other than that it is oderless. I know it comes back at some point because I left some out and found it about a month later and there was a good smell. I was really close with going with joey weed ak99 I wish I would have.

I will post some picture tonight of the difference in this pheno from grow to grow very weird.

 

[cocktail frank]

dialed plants will be more potent than poor runs.

 

[Haps]

All weed needs to cure man, some continues to improve for months, although not much changes after 2-3 months. I found this out in 80, when I lost a couple jars for a season after harvest.

 

[bobman]

same pheno first picture at 78 dasys second picture 35 days

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

Try decarbing fresh bud, as most of the thc will still be in the non-psychoactive thca form.

Some will tell you it decarbs from the heat when combusted, but trying the 2 side by side makes it clear that is not the case, at least not completely.

Stick your samples in the oven at 220-225 degrees for 10-15 minutes. I guarantee they will be significantly more potent after this process.

It's why cured bud is much more potent.. The thca to thc conversion happens over time. But for a quick sample, you can accomplish the process with heat

 

[Hammerhead]

I grew out ak-47 from the boo. I have grown way better strains. If your comparing AK to an Elite strain you cant AK wont stand up. I'm spoiled so I could have a biased opinion. This was the Pheno I got.

 

[bobman]

hammerhead what strains would you suggest. I grew for 5 years in the 90s and everything i touched was fire. I started back up almost 3 years ago and I am 0 for 3 from seed.

 

[Hammerhead]

Casy Jones
Purple Kush
Sour Bubble
Burkel
C99
Kali Mist
There are many more. You need to give them what they what and they will give you whant you want

 

[bobman]

just did a search, where can u get casey jones looks interesting. never seen the seeds or breeder. nice bulldog by the way great dogs.