ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[markscastle]

OK there is a subject that needs to be addressed.I don`t think ,given the nature, that small growers could make a go of it in industrial hemp.Maybe a few uses like specialty house made paper for a stationary store? But that is a good case for corprate run farms and i agree it could be done and employe some people in the process. I don`t think it would even be worth the time for industrial hemp to have any prefrence about small growers getting into that end of business.It would take way to many acres to grow it and make money, it wouldn`t lend it`s self to small growers.

 

[dagnabit]

Yes but I am old enough to remember when California had some very harsh laws on the books about marijuana.It didn`t make much of a influence on what I did then and it wouldn`t matter what any new law changes I won`t be cooperating anyway.I`m close to the grey area now with plant count cause people keep giving me clones and Cali sure has a lot of good clones if you know the right people.Then I also have been collecting seeds for so many years and have so many now I may never live long enough to grow em all out. If anything marijuana isn`t addictive but growing sure is with me! I could never have enough room or time to do all the breading projects I`d like to do. And as for seeds I`m still collecting them all the time and do some trades for even more. I dont need all the bud I grow but don`t sell it, I give alot away.I did try selling bud for awhile but I hate selling bud I just like growing it so much more!Anyway I don`t much like how Prop 19 eats away at parents rights like so many other laws they keep pushing. They can keep there worthless village away from my children and now Grand Kids! All there village to raise a child stuff and they can`t even keep the child molesters away from schools,churches,YMCA,Boy Scouts,swim teams and the list goes on for ever! And that`s just one bad influence that`s going around in the village, there`s alot of other problems kids run into also! By the way you really make me cry calling me a lier dagnabit want to step it up and call my mom some names also? Oh Bo hoo ! You act`n troll like when you do that brother! It really helps your cause look so good also! I`m just likely to run down and vote yes on Prop 19 cause I feel so beholding as to feel I owe taxes on my pot and need to support the buracrates and money makers more cause they just need my money more than I do! You got me all convenced! (not)

if it does not effect you why deny me?
we agree about the village.
we disagree when you use it to deny me the right to grow in my home on some bullshit convoluted moral stance against my freedom that wont effect you anyway since
"it wouldn`t matter what any new law changes I won`t be cooperating anyway."

and im not "calling you a liar" im begging you to stop lying.
the difference is huge

 

[dagnabit]

OK there is a subject that needs to be addressed.I don`t think ,given the nature, that small growers could make a go of it in industrial hemp.Maybe a few uses like specialty house made paper for a stationary store? But that is a good case for corprate run farms and i agree it could be done and employe some people in the process. I don`t think it would even be worth the time for industrial hemp to have any prefrence about small growers getting into that end of business.It would take way to many acres to grow it and make money, it wouldn`t lend it`s self to small growers.

define small?

a 40 acre parcel oh good industrial hemp grown with todays technology would be pretty productive?

im not sure about the amounts here (im more into law and semantics in my background)but with the nasty shit we do nowadays farming i would think you could sit and watch hemp grow?

 

[markscastle]

if it does not effect you why deny me?
we agree about the village.
we disagree when you use it to deny me the right to grow in my home on some bullshit convoluted moral stance against my freedom that wont effect you anyway since
"it wouldn`t matter what any new law changes I won`t be cooperating anyway."

and im not "calling you a liar" im begging you to stop lying.
the difference is huge

And just why should you impose on me and my family your idea of taxes ,regulations, and controls again? oh it matters what the state and rich can eat even if not directly or at me at the moment! It is my right to vote isn`t it? and my right to disagree and voice my thoughts just like the next man? Isn`t it still a somewhat free country? I really don`t care what anyone does in there own home as I subscribe to the old idea that a man`s home is his castle. But these laws do effect me and my family and even where they don`t at the moment it is also my state and I have just as many rights as anyone to vote as I please and voice my conserns and fears about prop 19! call me a lier if you think it makes you look good to the undesided that just may be watching this post. Do anything you can to make me look bad because at the end of the day I think people will deside on there own and I hope they listen and also read this law for themselves before they vote on it.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

What is a threat to me is if prop 19 passes my kids may go to jail instead of getting a ticket if caught with reefer! What is a threat to me is I may go to jail for smoking my medical marijuana in my own house when my kids visit me if prop 19 passes! What is a threat to me is I might go to jail because I grow more than 5 x5 area of medical marijuana if prop 19 passes! What am am willing to do is go to jail for protesting prop 19 if it passes! prop 19 is tyrannous!I won`t stand for it!

Then you should of raised your kids to keep their mouths shut.
Who is going to inform the police you smoked in front of your kids?
You? The Kids? WHO???

-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

OK there is a subject that needs to be addressed.I don`t think ,given the nature, that small growers could make a go of it in industrial hemp.Maybe a few uses like specialty house made paper for a stationary store? But that is a good case for corprate run farms and i agree it could be done and employe some people in the process. I don`t think it would even be worth the time for industrial hemp to have any prefrence about small growers getting into that end of business.It would take way to many acres to grow it and make money, it wouldn`t lend it`s self to small growers.

Very likely correct.

-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

That`s just it I can carry 1000 lbs with me legal under California law as a medical user ,under State Law I can grow as much marijuana as I want because limits in AB420 were thrown out and were not defined under prop215.But that changes as soon as prop 19 becomes law and medical users will be under the same limits as everyone else is! Limits are not in prop 215 and thoughs limits in AB420 were only thrown out because 215 was a vote of the people and AB 420 was inacted against 215 but the courts said it could not supersede the peoples vote or expand on it. Thoughing would stop the courts of saying Prop 19 by vote of the people could be limiting medical users because it would not address what 215 did not say having omited limits there by making limits and not being in conflict with prop 215 at the same time!

215 will not protect you from arrest if you drive around San Diego or most of Calif, with a pickup full of a ton of Cannabis in plain view. Maybe you will beat it in court, maybe, but you will be arrested for sure.

-SamS

 

[markscastle]

This is a case where a very few hold a lot of power.This bill was projected to have a very narrow chance of passing in the first place.I feel it will fail because prop 19 devides marijuana avacates by selling out way to much on the glimmer of hope by doing so it will be less of a threat to conservative persons when in fact they will all vote against the on princable.All it will take is a very small amount of marijuana advacates who disagree and vote no to over turn this prop. I think this bill will fail because of that and it fails to enjoy enough support from growers,medical users and youthful voters. It just left out to many voters intrests. But even more important at the end of the day the idea is still out there and has money backing it.The ideas could go up again to our wonderful law makers who could pass state laws with many of the prop 19 ideas included. That`s what worries me more!I `m sure with enough money our leaders could be bought out! Now you know my fears and I think I can gess yours as money is a big factor isn`t it? Oh don`t lie to us please! ICmag is all sold out almost anyway! it`s not the only internet sight to do this anyway. But still I see a lot of thinkers everywhere on the net.about 1/3 in site polls but that`s plenty to shut out prop 19 if people get out and vote.ad that to the about 45 % already against this law for a bunch of other reasons and prop 19 is dead in the water and it`s a long time until we vote on it.Historicaly props lose support as time goes by.it ahs already lost way more support than the backers had hoped for!

 

[markscastle]

Then you should of raised your kids to keep their mouths shut.
Who is going to inform the police you smoked in front of your kids?
You? The Kids? WHO???

-SamS

Any parent knows kids can`t keep there mouths closed! And it doesn`t even have to be your own kids now does it? When my kids were younger and still lived at home they had friends and friends all talk. And they talk to there friends,ect.Smaller the town the smaller the secrets! That`s just how kids are! mater of fact that goes the same for many adults as well!

 

[dagnabit]

This is a case where a very few hold a lot of power.This bill was projected to have a very narrow chance of passing in the first place.I feel it will fail because prop 19 devides marijuana avacates by selling out way to much on the glimmer of hope by doing so it will be less of a threat to conservative persons when in fact they will all vote against the on princable.All it will take is a very small amount of marijuana advacates who disagree and vote no to over turn this prop. I think this bill will fail because of that and it fails to enjoy enough support from growers,medical users and youthful voters. It just left out to many voters intrests. But even more important at the end of the day the idea is still out there and has money backing it.The ideas could go up again to our wonderful law makers who could pass state laws with many of the prop 19 ideas included. That`s what worries me more!I `m sure with enough money our leaders could be bought out! Now you know my fears and I think I can gess yours as money is a big factor isn`t it? Oh don`t lie to us please! ICmag is all sold out almost anyway! it`s not the only internet sight to do this anyway. But still I see a lot of thinkers everywhere on the net.about 1/3 in site polls but that`s plenty to shut out prop 19 if people get out and vote.ad that to the about 45 % already against this law for a bunch of other reasons and prop 19 is dead in the water and it`s a long time until we vote on it.Historicaly props lose support as time goes by.it ahs already lost way more support than the backers had hoped for!

hooray!!!!!!

one more victory for prohibitionists.

i can see sean hannity now "of course it didnt pass pot heads are to lazy to go out and vote for their own pot"

and rush

"ubbb umm uhhh the people just dont want drugs legal(pass me an oxy)when will these commie hippies learn"

i hope your as wrong about predicting the future as you are about this bill.

 

[Hammerhead]

I don't know where you get your data from but from the data I see we ave a very good chance at passing this bill. I don't think you are giving enough credit to the general public that see through opinions like yours we are not as stupid as you hope we are. I agree you have every right to your opinion and thoughts on these issues, Not everyone can understand the bill as it is written and need help to understand it you fall into this category that's OK we try to do our best to help you understand you can take it for what it's worth or not.

 

[markscastle]

215 will not protect you from arrest if you drive around San Diego or most of Calif, with a pickup full of a ton of Cannabis in plain view. Maybe you will beat it in court, maybe, but you will be arrested for sure.

-SamS

That`s old thinking the CHP doesn`t confiscate until over a pound anymore with a doctors recomendation after having to return marijuana by court order and losing a few law suites for loss of meds by persons who had there meds taken away! On the other hand the local cops have done stings on would be sellers to clubs in Socal I hear as one person up here had the local drug cops get a tip and they fallowed up after a suspect was released on bail in Socal and busted him and his house up this way. If you have enough recomendations with you they don`t bother you so much unless they have evidence of sales. But who wants to even be a suspect anyway! Some times I think it has more to do with if the officers involved have had enough to snort lately more than anything.Most of them are just criminals anyway anymore! And don`t kid your selfs they have very little real respect for any law themselfs!I really don`t understand why more LEO are not behind prop 19.Considering they have had years of failure even remotely controling the marijuana trade and with prop 19 they get two more laws to bust people with have much more say over what happends and more money to work with. Seems they would be the first group to agree with prop 19 to me as for them it would be a win! Hell if they worked it right they could still get all the Fedral funding they enjoy now also!Fact is I have the more libral aproch to marijuana reform but the dumb LEO are taking my side when it isn`t in there best intrest to do so and for much dfferent reasons! One thing i think anyone would agree on as this preposed law has some strange quirks to it and how it is effecting the marijuana community!

 

[MaddsVonF]

Ever think of what they can do with a state issued card for mmj.

They can deny your gun owner rights as a user.
State keeps the records, simple cross reference.

How many of your rights and mine are you willing to trade off
for a cockamamee 19?

NO on 19
It's not the start your hoping for,,,,,,,,,

Damn, when the hippies taught me how to do this the biggest reason was to put it to the man. Don't buy it grow it. Self Sufficiency. All you that complain from other states and those of you too lazy to figure out how to grow it and complain about the prices being charged and the rec users this and that.

I call BULLSHITE,,,,

Lazy fricking Americans! Piss moan and whine. You want instant gratification? Go hit the booze. It's legal til they catch you driving. Why not raid your medicine cabinets of the all the pharmys in there and get buzzed on yer zanax, valium vics, percs, and your frickin
little blue pill for a hard on!

Too lazy to grow it? Buy it. Don't want to get busted? Then fucking be smart.

You are going to trust this government? Have the fucking SCUMBAG Attorneys and POLITICIANS put down on paper what they will allow us to do. Allow me to do?

No 19

So many snakes in the grass on this I need some mongoose action.

Wake up and smell the trap, fer chrissakes.

Lambs to slaughter,,,,,,

Madds

 

[GanjaAL]

Wow.. the most sensible thing I have read in this whole thread!

 

[dagnabit]

That`s old thinking the CHP doesn`t confiscate until over a pound anymore with a doctors recomendation after having to return marijuana by court order and losing a few law suites for loss of meds by persons who had there meds taken away! On the other hand the local cops have done stings on would be sellers to clubs in Socal I hear as one person up here had the local drug cops get a tip and they fallowed up after a suspect was released on bail in Socal and busted him and his house up this way. If you have enough recomendations with you they don`t bother you so much unless they have evidence of sales. But who wants to even be a suspect anyway! Some times I think it has more to do with if the officers involved have had enough to snort lately more than anything.Most of them are just criminals anyway anymore! And don`t kid your selfs they have very little real respect for any law themselfs!I really don`t understand why more LEO are not behind prop 19.Considering they have had years of failure even remotely controling the marijuana trade and with prop 19 they get two more laws to bust people with have much more say over what happends and more money to work with. Seems they would be the first group to agree with prop 19 to me as for them it would be a win! Hell if they worked it right they could still get all the Fedral funding they enjoy now also!Fact is I have the more libral aproch to marijuana reform but the dumb LEO are taking my side when it isn`t in there best intrest to do so and for much dfferent reasons! One thing i think anyone would agree on as this preposed law has some strange quirks to it and how it is effecting the marijuana community!

if any of what you say about 19 was true leo would be behind it..

but they are standing with you.

 

[dagnabit]

Ever think of what they can do with a state issued card for mmj.

They can deny your gun owner rights as a user.

two of the main reasons im for 19.

it ends probable cause on smell.
it ends having to register as a grower or user with the state under 215.

 

[bdakind]

Where did all of this trust and affinity for the gov come from? When has a bill every hit the floor and its best case scenario actually happened?

I live in a place where city council members pay themselves $100k a years for part time work and the Chief of Police get $467k a year but the community is struggling to pay rent. They are able to pay themselves that probably through the bastardization of some bill that look innocent enough.

I think this bill was paid for and written to limit competition. I am not saying I would not have done the same thing if I had the resources, but I don't so I am just giving my perspective.

I could be completely wrong and this bill will pass and we will all be over at ANTI's hash bar smoking and dancing and singing songs. Unfortunately I do pay attention to the way the gov handles our liberties and I am not so naive to believe this thing will go off without a hitch. And because I live in Cali where you cannot smoke inside any public place or even beaches now I do not see any hash bars opening. This also leads me to believe that ANTI does not live in Cali or he would know you about the smoking laws. Again I could be wrong and they could throw out all the "bad" laws and make a whole set of new "good" laws because the gov turned over a new leaf.

Idealism always sounds good but at some point or another reality will set in.

 

[Anti]

Ever think of what they can do with a state issued card for mmj.

They can deny your gun owner rights as a user.
State keeps the records, simple cross reference.

How many of your rights and mine are you willing to trade off
for a cockamamee 19?

But... uh... stupid guy? You don't have to sign any kind of card or register with anyone if Prop 19 passes. (You do have to register if Prop 19 does NOT pass and you want to have any semblance of legality.)

If Prop 19 passes you can simply start growing your own, not hiding it, not worrying about it. No need to register with anyone or inform any government agency that you will be growing. Just start doing it (or continue doing it) without worry that it's illegal. No fees. No license. No taxes. Just grow your own. Simple.

If you want to do business as a grower/seller *THEN* and only then do you have to get a license and pay taxes on your profits. (Like most other commodities.)

NO on 19
It's not the start your hoping for,,,,,,,,,

Actually, it is....

Damn, when the hippies taught me how to do this the biggest reason was to put it to the man. Don't buy it grow it. Self Sufficiency. All you that complain from other states and those of you too lazy to figure out how to grow it and complain about the prices being charged and the rec users this and that.

I'll speak for myself and many of the "YES" voters in here. We ARE GROWING IT OURSELVES! We just want to do so LEGALLY.

Don't be an assclown! We're smarter than you're painting us. It makes you look frigging stupid!

I call BULLSHITE,,,,

I call misuse of punctuation and horrible logic.

Lazy fricking Americans! Piss moan and whine. You want instant gratification? Go hit the booze. It's legal til they catch you driving. Why not raid your medicine cabinets of the all the pharmys in there and get buzzed on yer zanax, valium vics, percs, and your frickin
little blue pill for a hard on!

Huh?

Too lazy to grow it? Buy it. Don't want to get busted? Then fucking be smart.

Or just fucking be smart and vote "yes" then there will be no getting busted as long as you 'fucking be smart'.

You are going to trust this government? Have the fucking SCUMBAG Attorneys and POLITICIANS put down on paper what they will allow us to do. Allow me to do?

Right now, they allow you to go to jail for growing. Right now, they allow you to pay a fine and forfeiture and face arrest for simple possession.

By voting YES, you will be setting a MINIMUM that is legal to grow. You can then lobby to have this MINIMUM raised (but never, ever lowered). Quit being such a negative nancy and think about it.

Maybe smoke less. You sound paranoid and out of touch.

 

[MaddsVonF]

Ah, you ever fill out the paperwork on buying a gun?
It's right there on the form and if you think they'll change that,,
well.

No 19

 

[MaddsVonF]

And you can cajole and call names all you want.
You will not tell me what I can or cannot do.

Or how to vote.

If you feel the need to insult someone, by all means lay it on me.
Think I really care about what you think, say, or do?
You are not that important in my life.

I'm done. I've had my say. Not gonna crawl down to the nasty level.

I'll let all of you figure it out.

Oh, and put me down as one who told you so, 19 ain't gonna happen.