Growers are just saying NO to pot legalization

[GanjaAL]

Sending a message that we do not want to pay you taxes. You bail out banks and want to hold us hostage with taxes on something that you can not control.

It is our weed and not the governments. Why be a slave!

 

[bird]

everything has a tax to it everything bought or sold we even have to pay a tax to work
if cali votes no i feel its saying we(as a whole) give up on getting prohabition repealed
but im not from cali so dont vote no

 

[BigBudBill]

Here in the Bay Area, Lemons grow all year around. In front yards all over this city. Tax free. There are also the same lemons in the store. Taxed. Some people take a few lemons here and there from front yards. Tax free. Nobody cares. Some people buy them from the grocery store. Taxed. Nobody cares.

 

[Anti]

There are also the same lemons in the store. Taxed. Some people take a few lemons here and there from front yards. Tax free. Nobody cares. Some people buy them from the grocery store. Taxed. Nobody cares.

[sarcasm]

How dare you suggest that nobody cares about lemons being taxed! If lemons were outlawed, the prices would soar! How dare you take that potential money away from commercial lemon growers by taxing and regulating their produce! IT'S A PLANT THAT GROWS IN THE GROUND!

[/sarcasm]

 

[BigBudBill]

The lemon prohibition would be great. A nice trade off. Damn stinkin lemon growers....always...drinking on the lemonade. Gettin high blood sugar. We need to keep that crap off the streets(except for medicinal use of course).

 

[JJScorpio]

Sending a message that we do not want to pay you taxes. You bail out banks and want to hold us hostage with taxes on something that you can not control.

It is our weed and not the governments. Why be a slave!

That's never going to happen in any State at any time. Cali taxes cigs, gas, oil. They even tax the fruit and veggies grown there. How could you or anyone else be so foolish to think Cannabis wouldn't be taxed. Get a grip on reality.....

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

(Just imagine that. "I have too much herb." What a wonderful problem to have!)

Until you start bringing out masons and falling asleep on the couch only to wake up to trip on a comical sized mason jar and hit your head on the floor.... ask me how I know...

 

[kmk420kali]

Here in the Bay Area, Lemons grow all year around. In front yards all over this city. Tax free. There are also the same lemons in the store. Taxed. Some people take a few lemons here and there from front yards. Tax free. Nobody cares. Some people buy them from the grocery store. Taxed. Nobody cares.

Just curious....where are you buying groceries that are taxed??
To my understanding, food is not taxable, except candy, soft drinks, and pre-prepared food--

 

[215forLife]

Actually guys Lemons that you buy at the grocery store aren't subject to any excise or sales taxation in California. Currently medical cannabis is being subjected to illegal sales tax so its already higher than lemons.

 

[215forLife]

But seriously people quit tripping on the taxes issue. It woul be impossible for a person to be busted for not paying weed tax, when it would be a violation of our 5th ammendment right to not self incriminate.
The tax parts will get destroyed long bbefore the feds change their minds.

Vote YES on 19,...

 

[BigBudBill]

Actually guys Lemons that you buy at the grocery store aren't subject to any excise or sales taxation in California. Currently medical cannabis is being subjected to illegal sales tax so its already higher than lemons.

DOH! Bad example I guess. Are Roses taxed? Because if so, can we just substitute roses? Because they are just like lemons all year long here too. And at floral shops and in grocery stores. Bad previous example, still a valid point methinks. We have a rose bush outside our apartments. We have a grocery store across the street that sells roses. People buy roses there. Some people also grow them at home. Some people take a flower or 2 from the bushes out front. Nobody cares. Better example?

 

[215forLife]

Toss some rose petals in your bong and tell us if its a fair comparision.

Fact is that Cannabis is truely unique and doesn't compare to anything else.

 

[BigBudBill]

A rose by any other name....

Yes Cannabis is unique. It has been prohibited. I submit to you that before prohibition and the propaganda that preceded it, nobody made a stink about it being unique. It just WAS what it WAS. PERIOD. I submit it should be that way now. Was it taxed before? Most likely. Out of all the industrial and medicinal products, some taxes had to have been paid. Maybe Henry Ford? Should it be taxed again? If we ever want the arrests and black market to subside from our culture, then yes, it should be NORMALIZED like any other produce.

 

[BigBudBill]

As a libertarian, I have a giant issue with tax and regulate. It goes against my beliefs of minimal government intrusion. As a conservative, I am stoked that it is another stance for states rights. As a medicinal user I KNOW I WILL NOT BE AFFECTED. As a Cannabis enthusiast I am overjoyed that this opportunity exists and that outweighs my political views. I am not so silly as to think this would be the end and final result. 215 wasn't as many many court cases have been decided to define the law and its application better and now that the dust is starting to settle on that front, its time to redraw the battle lines.
I will be voting yes even though I have some problems with a few issues because I know sometimes you have to STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT. As patients it is time to pay back the support we have enjoyed from the rec community. We did not get 215 on our own. Remember that.

 

[GanjaAL]

You just might be effected brother.

The Oakland thing is saying that ONLY those 4 will be able to supply the Dispensaries, and that any other grow, except personal only...will be illegal-- At least that is how I am understanding it--
If I am wrong, will someone pls clarify??

Guess what... that would violate the mmj cultivation and collective laws.

 

[vta]

You just might be effected brother.

The Oakland thing is saying that ONLY those 4 will be able to supply the Dispensaries, and that any other grow, except personal only...will be illegal-- At least that is how I am understanding it--
If I am wrong, will someone pls clarify??

Guess what... that would violate the mmj cultivation and collective laws.

(C) To encourage the federal and state governments to implement a plan to provide for the safe and affordable distribution of marijuana to all patients in medical need of marijuana.

Well some could argue that is what they are doing. Although we know it's only about money. They need it, we have it and they 'have a plan'.

I really don't understand why people are having an issue with this. Who cares about 4 warehouses in Oakland? There are probably several hundred in the greater LA area alone. Think about the 'big picture'. I don't think you realize GanjaAl the amount of people that smoke pot in Cali. It's not thousands. It's millions. And after 19 it will be even more. Now those are facts. So who cares about 4 grows in Oakland? It's nothing. I can also guarantee you that their commercial pot will not be top self...at least not what most of us can grow or get now. Also, if this Oakland thing bothers you...just wait until a hundred other cities do the same thing.

 

[GanjaAL]

It is not that at all brother... my focus is the everyone says our laws that we have already will not be effected either way. But in fact they are. That is what I worry about. I could care less about the big four but what about those who grow and are being cut off now??? Some I admit are 215 compliant but what about the fact that there cultivation and collective rights are now pushed to the side because of money?

It is my fear that prop 19 with all its grey areas will do the same and could land people in jail.... this is my fear.

I also believe taxation is not legalization but that decriminalization is.

I am just asking people to think about what they are voting on and make sure the know what they are voting on.

 

[trichrider]

Vote no or vote yes.
According to proponents of both sides, the other is wrong. So either way it ends up, one side can say “TOLD YA”!
But before voting you deserve to at least examine both sides.
I have looked for the proof of the positive sides (yes votes) and have found only conjecture. I was totally convinced that I would have voted YES, until reading these:

http://www.examiner.com/x-14883-Santa-Cruz-County-Drug-Policy-Examiner~y2010m7d16-Californias-Proposition-19-will-supersede-or-amend-its-medical-marijuana-laws

http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-pro-pot-activists-oppose-2010-tax.html

Not a very complimentary account of what I had envisioned as LEGALITY.
It is my opinion that selling ourselves out is becoming a way of life in these United States.

Vote, whichever way you have convinced yourself. But vote knowing that a NO vote sends the message to the antagonists who will deprive you, that you DO NOT AGREE WITH LEGALIZATION! They will use you either way. As the cause of their convictions, or conviction of their cause.

 

[215forLife]

Well actually the first time the taxed Cannabis is when Federal Prohibition began bigbudbill...

please Im trying to support 19 here... don't make me change my mind inadvertently...

 

[binaryfission]

reading is fundamental

reading is fundamental

You just might be effected brother.

The Oakland thing is saying that ONLY those 4 will be able to supply the Dispensaries, and that any other grow, except personal only...will be illegal-- At least that is how I am understanding it--
If I am wrong, will someone pls clarify??

Guess what... that would violate the mmj cultivation and collective laws.

The debate was heated in part because the proposed ordinance has gone through several revisions, and rumors have swirled about the regulations. City Council members said they received a flood of calls amid concerns that all dispensaries would be required to buy marijuana from the industrial facilities. But that is not a requirement.

from
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/us/18bcmarijuana.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&fta=y

so no, dispensaries WILL NOT be required to buy from the big four. stop your propaganda.