Los Angeles Times: "California Can't Legalize Marijuana"

[kyndone]

i very much agree with this.




-- "There's no way on earth the federal government is going to tolerate that. Instead, we'd see massive federal busts of California growers and retail dealers, no matter how legal their activity was under state law."

--"For one thing, allowing Californians to openly grow cannabis for non-medical purposes would be a clear violation of international law; that's why the Netherlands, which tolerates retail cannabis sales through "coffee shops," still bans marijuana production."


--"Legalizing cannabis isn't a terrible idea, but I'd very much prefer to do it on a non-commercial (grow-your-own or consumers' co-op) basis rather than creating a multibillion-dollar industry full of profit-driven firms trying to encourage as much cannabis use as possible."

--"In any case, whenever and however we legalize the Demon Weed, it's going to have to be at the national level (which includes modifying the anti-drug treaties) rather than state by state. Any other approach is a pipe dream."

 

[jescowhite]

Me too ... I think mike lee is probably going to end up rooming with Marc Emery

i very much agree with this.




-- "There's no way on earth the federal government is going to tolerate that. Instead, we'd see massive federal busts of California growers and retail dealers, no matter how legal their activity was under state law."

--"For one thing, allowing Californians to openly grow cannabis for non-medical purposes would be a clear violation of international law; that's why the Netherlands, which tolerates retail cannabis sales through "coffee shops," still bans marijuana production."


--"Legalizing cannabis isn't a terrible idea, but I'd very much prefer to do it on a non-commercial (grow-your-own or consumers' co-op) basis rather than creating a multibillion-dollar industry full of profit-driven firms trying to encourage as much cannabis use as possible."

--"In any case, whenever and however we legalize the Demon Weed, it's going to have to be at the national level (which includes modifying the anti-drug treaties) rather than state by state. Any other approach is a pipe dream."

 

[kyndone]

im not religious either

im not religious either

i'm not religious either man but
vote yes if you have the chance, fuck what the L.A. Times says.

peace, SOG

but perhaps you may be overlooking the fact that God played a major role in the lives of the men who created these laws, and by "the men" i mean our forefathers and the like, not these douch bags that run the country now.

 

[igrowone]

--"For one thing, allowing Californians to openly grow cannabis for non-medical purposes would be a clear violation of international law; that's why the Netherlands, which tolerates retail cannabis sales through "coffee shops," still bans marijuana production."

then we may see a clear violation of international law, it could pass
so what happens if this treaty is violated?

 

[kyndone]

In Washington state a few years ago they had a very tight race for the Governor that ended first count with the republican winning by 123 votes. Washington politics and just about everything else is centrally controlled in Seattle, a democratic stronghold. They counted the votes three times. They discounted votes from soldiers overseas because they came in too late (it is a bitch trying to vote and fight for your life in another country) and they did allow votes of dead people and somehow the democrat won!!!! The King County lead guy (I forget what his title is), but he is the guy that certifies the votes... He certified King county's votes the moment the democrats had the lead.

Anything is possible.

you have a very good point, it is not accually the peoples votes that can win an election.

 

[kyndone]

scary stuff

scary stuff

then we may see a clear violation of international law, it could pass
so what happens if this treaty is violated?

could mean a war, people against government

 

[igrowone]

could mean a war, people against government

interesting, thought we had that going already, might get a little hotter
but i think i speak for a good number of Americans when i say, 'fuck international law'

 

[lostinoblivion8]

kava i totally feel you bro lol.

 

[ReelBusy1]

just for the sake of debate, let's say the LA Times is spot on
then prop 19 has to be the small grower's best friend
no commercial competition, no more state/local law enforcement, and DEA is hardly going to be able to take over the huge shortfall to bust small grows when state/local LE are actually protecting the public

sounds like a small grower paradise

i agree
stock up on seeds now!

 

[ReelBusy1]

it's legal enough- anyone with a hangnail or pms can get a recommendation and get meds from a coop or grow their own (in several states).

why should you have to lie and pay off a Dr. to smoke weed and not go to jail?

 

[Strapped]

why should you have to lie and pay off a Dr. to smoke weed?

I agree dude. The majority of us are good, honorable, otherwise law abiding citizens who prefer a safer alternative to alcohol. I don't want to feel like I'm swiping happy pills from my mom's medicine cabinet any more than I want to feel like a menace to society.

It's unbelievable to me that some cannabis consumers would even consider voting no on a measure like prop 19. Yeah it would change the game, but that's the point right? Prop 19 references prop 215 in its language, so there's no chance of medical patients losing their benefits. Sure there would be large scale commercial growers to help make up for increased demand, but that doesn't mean every other grower would go out of business. It just means that they would need to create a competitive product just like any other legitimate business. It would do nothing but improve quality and create many more cannabis related jobs in the process.

It's sad to see people in our community letting their greed power decisions and actions that side track us from our ultimate goal. To end cannabis prohibition. The people of California have a unique opportunity to set the stage for a cultural revolution that can not be ignored. Once it begins, it won't be stopped easily. It WILL spread to the rest of the country, and finally the rest of the world. I can only wish that I had the opportunity to cast a vote that could potentially make such a positive change on a global scale.

Keep in mind that legalizing cannabis in this country would change millions of American's lives for the better. Californians, please try to think of the rest of us when you cast your vote in November.

 

[StoneElemental]

It all comes down to this, The USA can either violate international law or state sovereignty. The united states originally set-up this prohibitionist international law to help enforce this at home. I honestly do think this will be an interesting event in our lifetimes, cross your fingers folks.

Also I can't help but agree with kava and strapped we are depending on california to keep the pressure on and make sure progress is made for ALL of us.

-S.E.

 

[JG's Ghost]

State by state is how alcohol prohibition ended. We are already seeing states creating their own laws contrary to federal law.

Not exactly. Alcohol prohibition ended when the 21st amendment was passed. Some states kept alcohol prohibited. Did you know that the Jack Daniels distillery is in a "dry" county?

JGs'G

 

[El_Toro]

OMG! WOHOO!!

OMG! WOHOO!!

I'm so excited after reading this post. In my opinion this would be that one badly needed stepping stone towards more rational drug and ganja laws.

I do agree with most of the LA times post. We gotta be patient, the change won't and it can't come over night.
In Finland where i'm from the influence of US is actually quite drastic. What happens in the US, doesn't stay in the US. *random rambling* But vote YES, for Finland if nothing else.

Even medical in here is under the rock. Atm we've only got (not really sure about the number atm) around 5 max. 10 Patients in the country with legal MMJ.
I'm in desperate need for the legalization or MMJ law reform. I'm on 9, yes nine, different chemical drugs for various different reasons.

From these only one (melatonin) is normally occurring in the body, others are quite strong painkillers, relaxants, AntiDepression, schizophrenia etc meds. I could drop all these chemical bs compounds if only i could smoke the "DEMON WEED". And yes Cannabis has provided a huge help with my schizophrenia and with severe psychosis.
Possibly went a little off topic but excuse me i just medicated.

PS. Looks like this was my first post in here so Hi Equitably for everyone!

 

[treefrog]

Free the plant!

 

[Mitt Romulan]

but perhaps you may be overlooking the fact that God played a major role in the lives of the men who created these laws, and by "the men" i mean our forefathers and the like, not these douch bags that run the country now.

Not to get off topic but lol....our forefathers were against religion. John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Ben Franklin are just a few of those men who thought god and the bible was foolish.

 

[mullray]

The reality is the LA Times is right as much as I hate to agree with them. Technically, the entire single narcotics convention will collapse if any country legalizes cannabis so there's much bigger interests at work here. I sure as hell know that I wouldn't be going public and starting a massive grow in Oakland until things are clearer from a legal perspective.

 

[StoneElemental]

Yes it's Lynchburg, Tennessee and I'm a decent fan of their sourmash whiskey. However, this dry county does not prohibit the production, consumption, and trafficking of Jack Daniels whiskey or any other alcoholic beverage. It only really means you can't BUY it in Lynchburg... boo-hoo go over county lines to buy it. Not nearly the same as cannabis legislation today. Which is federally illegal still mind you.

State by state is how alcohol prohibition ended. We are already seeing states creating their own laws contrary to federal law.

Not exactly. Alcohol prohibition ended when the 21st amendment was passed. Some states kept alcohol prohibited. Did you know that the Jack Daniels distillery is in a "dry" county?

JGs'G

Preachin' to the choir homie.

Free the plant!

I've heard this a few times before and I had no idea if this was true. Not to continue pushing off subject although I'm highly interested in this. Any resources/references I might be able to read?

Not to get off topic but lol....our forefathers were against religion. John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Ben Franklin are just a few of those men who thought god and the bible was foolish.

I hope it does happen anyway and stir the controversy of change. Also I've never been to oakland but wow do they sound ahead of themselves and arrogant.

The reality is the LA Times is right as much as I hate to agree with them. Technically, the entire single narcotics convention will collapse if any country legalizes cannabis so there's much bigger interests at work here. I sure as hell know that I wouldn't be going public and starting a massive grow in Oakland until things are clearer from a legal perspective.

Many of us in the other states are counting on this and even as El Toro said other countries aswell. We must end this as fervently and swiftly as possible. Deal Tyranny this blow and a world culture will stand in ever increasing numbers, to make what is all so dear to us "free at last".

-S.E.

 

[TLoft13]

The USA is probably the single most reason for the worldwide prohibition we have now, so please californians vote yes!

 

[MoldyFrogToe]

I love the opinion of the masses, it makes me laugh.
"Regulate it, and tax the shit out of it".

Why do they think this? Well, because it was illegal for so long, they have been brainwashed into thinking that the only appropriate action to make something that was illegal legal is to tax the shit out of it.

When prostitution is legalized these same fuckers will make sure a blow job costs a day's pay.

Fuck it. Regulation is the tool used by the well-funded to protect their territory and gain new territoy.

All these fucking laws are just about PROTECTIONISM, not about fundamental rights of citizens.

So I will just smoke my weed with the magical powers of "fuck it".

I think it was Andrew Dice Clay who illustrated the reason that Cocaine is illegal.
It is illegal because it brings the price of pussy down, which in turn brings down productivity.

See, it all comes back to the price of pussy!

And as far as International Law is concerned, if the US deems it, IL will change.

More like no, welcome to the US, where if you want something legalized, it will have to be regulated no matter what. There is no other viable option. Period. We shouldn't let pipedream extremists who think otherwise sway this bill. You guys are a minority, demanding unrealistic expectations to be met. And nobody is saying "tax the shit out of it," nobody wants excess taxes. I can understand legitimate concern for medical users and pushing out small biz, but that's about it, and it's been shown that this bill won't affect mmj users in any way to justify voting no. As far as small biz goes, things might get tough but the benefits of freedom to thousands or millions outweighs that.