Dude....19 is not about medical cannabis!!! Why do you think it is? This isnt..'a law to define medical rights' we already have those. This law 'just happens' to mention the 'separation between this and 215' as a bonus classifier.
TC2010/Prop 19 unlikely to pass (new poll results)
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Dude....19 is not about medical cannabis!!! Why do you think it is? This isnt..'a law to define medical rights' we already have those. This law 'just happens' to mention the 'separation between this and 215' as a bonus classifier.
215forLife
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Because in the purposes under section 5 it says "to provide easier, safer access to medical cannabis patients". By doing so it allows the legislature to override 215.
If its not about mmj and not about a monopoly then those two sentences will get included. I thought you wanted 19 to pass. If you do then you want those two sentences in the rebuttal to get the stoners, growers, patients, and dispensaries onboard too.
Are you against unity and absolute protection for what we currently have?
If its not about mmj and not about a monopoly then those two sentences will get included. I thought you wanted 19 to pass. If you do then you want those two sentences in the rebuttal to get the stoners, growers, patients, and dispensaries onboard too.
Are you against unity and absolute protection for what we currently have?
215forLife
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You mean you just don't understand the law VTA.
Nobody has yet to prove that 19 won't affect 215 cultivation and sb420 collective association.
Nobody has yet to prove that 19 won't affect 215 cultivation and sb420 collective association.
215forLife
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Well repeat one last time for me then please,.. because I have read the threads. Only medical protections in 19 are consumption and possesion. Prove me otherwise, because you can't. Lee & co devised 19 to eliminate patient cultivation and collective association.
215forLife
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I kinda am one of the originators of the no on 19 movement. Karmical knows it to be true. If they really want everyone to vote yes then those two sentences will be included. I've allready got Boxer's, Brown's, and Steinbergs (head of state senate) to agree with my position.
Seriously if they want 19 to pass they will have to win me over... I suggest searching for a thread about taxation and traitors.
Seriously if they want 19 to pass they will have to win me over... I suggest searching for a thread about taxation and traitors.
since you seem to have a simple grasp of how semantics work in a legal sense here we go
you will notice that cultivation is included with distribution sales and the amounts to-with the reference to amounts is seperated from the actions (cultivation,distribution and sales) by a comma and the conjunction (and) meaning they are not separate clauses but joined clauses.
the joined clauses are affected by the exemption listed subsequently.
all of this is correlated with the bold type
215forLife
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The exception only applies to amounts bought or sold if you are a patient.
dagnabit...they just don't get it. These guys want anther medical law. Although this is about recreation use they seem to think that it should define medical use??? lol We already have laws covering medical use....if those laws are to change, it has to be from a 'specific' voter challenge. 19 doesn't supersede 215.
215forLife
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The only exception to city control is the amount bought or sold. Not safety for 215 cultivation.
If you belive 19 protects all of our current privledges and want everyone to vote yes I highly suggest that you pm karmical and demand that his boss includes the two sentences in the rebuttal. I'm sure that 90% of no voters in our commuinity would change their minds.
If you belive 19 protects all of our current privledges and want everyone to vote yes I highly suggest that you pm karmical and demand that his boss includes the two sentences in the rebuttal. I'm sure that 90% of no voters in our commuinity would change their minds.
my Dr.s recommendation says that I can grow 50 plants. I am protected! So 19 is gonna invalidate my Dr.s recommendation? Nope. Just as the Kelly decision ensures all medical users the right to grow what they need....this is a 'necessary right' judgment.
If 19 passes...
215 stays..
sb420 stays..
including all judgments related to..
millions of people will be able to smoke cannabis responsibly without the fear of arrest...
It will no longer be a felony to grow cannabis.
ok but what i gave you were concrete reasons and you just repeated your bullshit.
ill try again.
amount sold and cultivation are both the subject of the same exception not separate subjects in separate sentences.
if i say to you:
the wife has control over the regulation of the stroking,massaging and fondling of my cock,balls and taint,and the amount of spunk to be sold for profit except as permitted by the man act of 1942.
do you take that to mean the stroking of my cock is prohibited?
the answer is no because the stroking,massaging,fondling,cock,balls,taint and the amounts of spunk produced are all connected subjects.
the supreme court held in dc v. heller that the operative clause (the people) and thr prefatory clause(a well regulated militia) were joined by the use of a comma in the protection from infringment.
in the case of tc2010 not only are the operative clause(amount to be sold)and the prefatory clause(cultivation) joined by a comma but they are joined be the conjunction "and" further establishing a connection to the exemption.
this is law 101 stuff....
215forLife
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Hello it says "regulate cultivation"... the only exception is for purchase...
How many times have you been to court? How many cases did you have to fight pro per? I beat a 3 strikes case in our most corrupt county here.
Considering what my expert friends (prop 215 author, and someone who actually writes appelate court opinions) have said, you are wrong.
How many times have you been to court? How many cases did you have to fight pro per? I beat a 3 strikes case in our most corrupt county here.
Considering what my expert friends (prop 215 author, and someone who actually writes appelate court opinions) have said, you are wrong.
215forLife
Member
Anyways I propose a realistic solution to fix flaws in the initiative to make it winnable and you would rather continue arguing? If those two sentences get included then I will gladly be on the same side of 19 as you.
common debate tactic...but you obfuscated.
do you deny that cultivation and sales are joined clauses in the same sentence?
how many times ive been to court or a list of my accomplishments will not change the fundamentals of the English language or long held legal precedent concerning joined clauses.
the point of contention here is whether or not cultivation is protected by 215 after the passage of prop.19 correct?
i am saying it is based on the basic tenants of the English language and thousands upon thousands of pieces of legislation with joined clauses in every state in the union and every county in CA.
you are telling me that im wrong. ok please do explain how cultivation being separated by a comma makes it an independent clause?
215forLife
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The final bolded "and" is a disjoiner. Since you actually haven't argued a case in court or have a been a defendant all the way to trial I suggest you stop putting your foot in your mouth. If you take a few minutes and go back to page 15 you will see what can be done to prove that 19 won't affect 215, 420, and case law, and won't establish a monoply. I'm actually trying to help but you're so fucking insistent that you have to be "right" that you miss the bigger picture completely.
Nice to see that you guys don't want more yes votes.
Nice to see that you guys don't want more yes votes.
id love to see the sentences added..
i also recognize bullshit when its proffered.
"disjoiner"? thats laughable... how exactly is a conjunction a "disjioner" and will you do me the big favor and use this link for "disjoiner" http://www.oed.com/general/search.html
now i understand your trying to "help" me..but anytime someone lies to me under the guise of "helping" me i generally dont believe them.
if and how many cases i have tried again do not change the english language.
"and" is a conjunction it's function is to well here
hope this helps...
im sure you'll come back with some more drivel about how "and" is an interrogatory or some such.....
it dont change the facts though...
with this language cultivation and amounts sold under 215 are exempt
gotta love the rules of english
215forLife
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Yeah I'm hella lying bro,.
That's quite an insult consider the corporation which I am president and found of has nothing to hide. Hell our taxes to the IRS (who raids side by side with DEA) were 100% open about our money coming from Cannabis. If I'm going to tell the IRS the truth about growing weed what makes you think I would lie about this?
Fact is that if 19 does pass I personally have a lot more to gain that if it doesn't. Fact is that it would be wrong of me to ignore the travesty that "could" occur to 215, while I get wealthy. I'm sorry but I have a duty and an obligation to ensure everyone gets an equal footing and doesn't screwed over because of 19.
That's quite an insult consider the corporation which I am president and found of has nothing to hide. Hell our taxes to the IRS (who raids side by side with DEA) were 100% open about our money coming from Cannabis. If I'm going to tell the IRS the truth about growing weed what makes you think I would lie about this?
Fact is that if 19 does pass I personally have a lot more to gain that if it doesn't. Fact is that it would be wrong of me to ignore the travesty that "could" occur to 215, while I get wealthy. I'm sorry but I have a duty and an obligation to ensure everyone gets an equal footing and doesn't screwed over because of 19.
215forLife
Member
Honestly dagnabit if we are going to argue over this you can guatantee prosecutors are going to attempt to use it to their advantage too. That is why "this initiative will not affect prop 215, sb420 and supporting case law" must be included in the rebuttal to arguements against. A lot of people are afriad they won't be allowed to compete and could have their livelihoods taken away because the initiative allows the state and local governments FULL Authority to ammend. Really let's play this right or we could be screwed.
