Los Angeles Times: "California Can't Legalize Marijuana"

[Shcrews]

full story here....

here's the main points of the article....

-- "There's no way on earth the federal government is going to tolerate that. Instead, we'd see massive federal busts of California growers and retail dealers, no matter how legal their activity was under state law."

--"For one thing, allowing Californians to openly grow cannabis for non-medical purposes would be a clear violation of international law; that's why the Netherlands, which tolerates retail cannabis sales through "coffee shops," still bans marijuana production."


--"Legalizing cannabis isn't a terrible idea, but I'd very much prefer to do it on a non-commercial (grow-your-own or consumers' co-op) basis rather than creating a multibillion-dollar industry full of profit-driven firms trying to encourage as much cannabis use as possible."

--"In any case, whenever and however we legalize the Demon Weed, it's going to have to be at the national level (which includes modifying the anti-drug treaties) rather than state by state. Any other approach is a pipe dream."



...thoughts?

 

[JohnnyATL]

umm international law is bullshit. what happened to rights as americans and the constitutional implicit and explicit rights guaranteed to states. end of USA sovereignty

 

[OjoRojo420]

Still...

The Feds will not allow it.

Another reason to remain UNDERGROUND.

Besides, I hate Taxation.

 

[Oliver Pantsoff]

Classic

Classic

The LA Times is some of the worst toilet paper I have ever used.

Hahahaha....Now that's a classic statement Pink...So true

OP

 

[venturablaze]

your ignorance amazes me!

 

[ReelBusy1]

full story here....

here's the main points of the article....

-- "There's no way on earth the federal government is going to tolerate that. Instead, we'd see massive federal busts of California growers and retail dealers, no matter how legal their activity was under state law."

--"For one thing, allowing Californians to openly grow cannabis for non-medical purposes would be a clear violation of international law; that's why the Netherlands, which tolerates retail cannabis sales through "coffee shops," still bans marijuana production."


--"Legalizing cannabis isn't a terrible idea, but I'd very much prefer to do it on a non-commercial (grow-your-own or consumers' co-op) basis rather than creating a multibillion-dollar industry full of profit-driven firms trying to encourage as much cannabis use as possible."

--"In any case, whenever and however we legalize the Demon Weed, it's going to have to be at the national level (which includes modifying the anti-drug treaties) rather than state by state. Any other approach is a pipe dream."



...thoughts?

i would agree with most of that however....

The Feds won't change unless enough states get together and legalize.
This is a shot acrooss the bow message vote in Nov.
Vote Yes to tell them you care about this issue.

 

[Feb2006er]

--"For one thing, allowing Californians to openly grow cannabis for non-medical purposes would be a clear violation of international law; that's why the Netherlands, which tolerates retail cannabis sales through "coffee shops," still bans marijuana production."

Actually what would happen is the international scene would sue for the rights to sell it to the USA.

 

[MoldyFrogToe]

wasn't this obvious? and, who gives a crap? look what prop215 did.
damn, enough with the extremism to never tax MJ, it's inevitable.
underground? fuck that, that's what the cartels want

 

[ibjamming]

God gave us our laws...

God gave us our weed...

Who are we to second guess God?

I can figure that out and I'm not even religious!

 

[vta]

This is from:

latimes.com OPINION section

and with comments like

In any case, whenever and however we legalize the Demon Weed

it's total bullshit. This is the opinion of a fundamental Christian against cannabis.

A+ for propaganda

 

[Strapped]

State by state is how alcohol prohibition ended. We are already seeing states creating their own laws contrary to federal law.

What we are seeing in the way of Arizona's immigration law reform is setting the precedent for that type of State's rights case. I have a strong feeling that how things turn out in that case are how they will work if prop 19 passes.

On the flip side - we saw states sue the feds over the health care overhaul. So we will need to see how that all turns out as well.

 

[Tony Aroma]

The U.S. only cares about international law when it's convenient. If we want to do something that violates international law, like carry out an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation, then we will. Screw the rest of the world.

Unfortunately, in this case, international law is convenient in that it supports the U.S. prohibitionist policy.

 

[Rednick]

I love the opinion of the masses, it makes me laugh.
"Regulate it, and tax the shit out of it".

Why do they think this? Well, because it was illegal for so long, they have been brainwashed into thinking that the only appropriate action to make something that was illegal legal is to tax the shit out of it.

When prostitution is legalized these same fuckers will make sure a blow job costs a day's pay.

Fuck it. Regulation is the tool used by the well-funded to protect their territory and gain new territoy.

All these fucking laws are just about PROTECTIONISM, not about fundamental rights of citizens.

So I will just smoke my weed with the magical powers of "fuck it".

I think it was Andrew Dice Clay who illustrated the reason that Cocaine is illegal.
It is illegal because it brings the price of pussy down, which in turn brings down productivity.

See, it all comes back to the price of pussy!

And as far as International Law is concerned, if the US deems it, IL will change.

 

[igrowone]

just for the sake of debate, let's say the LA Times is spot on
then prop 19 has to be the small grower's best friend
no commercial competition, no more state/local law enforcement, and DEA is hardly going to be able to take over the huge shortfall to bust small grows when state/local LE are actually protecting the public

sounds like a small grower paradise

 

[someotherguy]

God gave us our laws...

God gave us our weed...

Who are we to second guess God?

I can figure that out and I'm not even religious!

i'm not religious either man but i know God had
nothing to do with giving us our laws.

vote yes if you have the chance, fuck what the L.A. Times says.

peace, SOG

 

[SOTF420]

I sure as hell am voting YES in November but I have a fear they may rig the elections, big brother is watching over it all very closely I'm sure. If they don't want it to pass it won't.

 

[maxmurder]

it's legal enough- anyone with a hangnail or pms can get a recommendation and get meds from a coop or grow their own (in several states).

 

[kava]

Well I hope you all vote and something good comes from it because here (east coast) 1 plant will cost you 5 years and if you die in there they will keep you there till you serve the last day to let you corpse out to be buried.We cant even get something on the ballot like you all did so vote yes for me and all the others that cant please. (sorry for rambling)
signed kava

 

[HASH GORDON]

I'll say it succinctly:

There's simply too much money to be made in cannabis for it to be illegal forever.

 

[igrowone]

Well I hope you all vote and something good comes from it because here (east coast) 1 plant will cost you 5 years and if you die in there they will keep you there till you serve the last day to let you corpse out to be buried.We cant even get something on the ballot like you all did so vote yes for me and all the others that cant please. (sorry for rambling)
signed kava

sounds like the southeast, most of the northeast isn't that bad
but no argument, plenty of bad places to get nailed for cultivation
maybe NY can change the momentum here, we're real close on MMJ, and it may not be a bad MMJ at that