Colorado House Bill 1284

[Rednick]

Your post is so filled with leaps in logic I almost don't know where to start.

Yeah, tharmer.
Who the fuck are you?

Sound like the cheerlearer for 1284 and big dispensaries (who want to produce quality meds)! Of course they are going to say that, they will lie to your face and kiss your baby, just like a politician.

Quality was already being produced.

All this is just red-tape protectionism. Those that got in the first year, are staking their claim. Just like in California. Too bad we (Coloradans as a whole) didn't understand this game earlier.

And background checks getting rid of the "drug dealers", ooooh those evil fuckers that were the link between grower and consumer for all those years. Yeah, fuck them, we only want Legal drug dealers. Ones who didn't get caught or ones who are jumping in with clean records, because they surely will know more about this industry and care about more than just money.

The only good thing 1284 could do is lessening the dispensary distribution of Cali grown weed because of the vertical integration. If vertical integration was properly enforced.

Ofcourse that doesn't matter too much, becasue those Cali folks are just going to take their money, and warehouses and state sanctioned ability to grow thousands of plants....to have Colorado grown weed in large quantity.

"Yes they deserve to die, and I hope they burn in hell!" Samuel Jackson.
"It'll get you drunk. You'll be fucking fat bitches in no time. You might even fight a nigger or two."

 

[tharmer]

I'm not telling you to cheer for Cook. But how is it that the law affected you so personally?

I can understand growers/caregivers who are forced out by the new law being mad. But the new law does NOT prevent you from growing your own and even providing for up to 5 others.

I'd guess very few people in here actually know more than 5 sick people, people who's condition is irrefutably covered by the health department guidelines. If you do have more than 5 really sick patients, try to find them a legal local supplier.

I just don't get your anger.

I've left Colorado a few times in my life, traveled to other states and countries. It doesn't take long before I find myself longing for that country road to take me home. I tell you this only because you all seem to forget, there are 47 states where people who grow a single plant get thrown in jail. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, learn to enjoy what you have.

In Colorado what we have is the ability to grow 6 plants any size and any strain we want. Personally that makes me very very happy.

 

[HokuLoa]

I'm not telling you to cheer for Cook. But how is it that the law affected you so personally?

I and many if not most in here are patients and caregivers. This affects our legal safety and for many of us our businesses and our economic survival. On a basic level though, this affects us all as it is detrimental to the entire industry and state. If you have trouble understanding that after reading many of the posts in here then I'm not sure what to tell you...

I can understand growers/caregivers who are forced out by the new law being mad. But the new law does NOT prevent you from growing your own and even providing for up to 5 others.

True. A benefit to be sure but really that's beside the point. The new law leaves most patients in the lurch and is sending caregivers into a scramble trying to REestablish their legal protection. Do you not see the issue here? It's not about being forced out, it is about being forced back into an "illegal" position and being forced to choose between protecting our patients and protecting our personal security.

I'd guess very few people in here actually know more than 5 sick people, people who's condition is irrefutably covered by the health department guidelines. If you do have more than 5 really sick patients, try to find them a legal local supplier.

Yeah, pretty baseless statement but assume away... Even still, do you even remotely know how hard it is to find a caregiver of comparable quality who does not already have 5 patients?? Do you realize how difficult it is for our patients (especially the sickest of them) to be forced into establishing a NEW caregiver relationship when they already have one that works fine for them???

I just don't get your anger.

Clearly. That is why I suggested that you probably have little invested either intellectually or professionally in the medical cannabis industry. If I'm wrong then so be it but you don't seem to be all that in touch with the issues this law raises in our State and in our industry. It is understandable that regulation was needed but this batch of regulation does more harm than good in my estimation.

I tell you this only because you all seem to forget, there are 47 states where people who grow a single plant get thrown in jail. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, learn to enjoy what you have.

Totally beside the point. We do enjoy what we have but that doesn't mean we should roll over for illogical changes in a program that was already working quite well. Not to mention, if we are not vocal about this then who will be??

In Colorado what we have is the ability to grow 6 plants any size and any strain we want. Personally that makes me very very happy.[/quote]

Us too....

Oh, and BTW since you mentioned strains... You might like to note that part of the reason the 5 patient caregiver group is so hard to stomach is that it severely limits the genetics one can maintain. Before if we had 10 patients we could dedicate say 10 plants as mothers of varied genetics (variety is necessary for true medicinal application you may recall). Maintaining that variety with 5 patients is prohibitively more difficult. The result is a diminished ability to properly do our jobs and provide quality care.

 

[HokuLoa]

The only good thing 1284 could do is lessening the dispensary distribution of Cali grown weed because of the vertical integration. If vertical integration was properly enforced.

AMEN!!! Hmmm, amazing how dispensaries can carry outdoor green triangle strains in the dead of winter CO. Nothing illegal going on here.......

 

[tharmer]

You've attacked my intellect, reasoning, motivation and research skills. I will do my best to not respond by calling you a flaming jack ass, but I may not be able to control myself.

>>how is it that the law affected you so personally?
>I and many if not most in here are
>patients and caregivers.

Yes, some one hundred fifty thousand people in Colorado make that claim. Of course 85% of them don't actually qualify and just like to get high right? Let's be honest, you and I both know this is all a scam and most users are, as they've always been, just plain old pot heads. So I'll repeat, how has this actually affected you? You can't get all your pot head friends high and you're mad about it, right?

>This affects our legal safety
No it does not, not when you only care for 5 people. Then you are not in any jeopardy, which you already know. The only way this affects your freedom is if you break the new state law. (Side note: You can grow up to 36 plants and you are complaining).

>and for many of us our economic survival
Yes I get that, you like to grow weed and sell it to people. Life's a bitch dude, I guess you'll need a real job now. Or you'll need to learn to live on whatever salary you can get out of 36 plants and 5 patients. Or you can throw caution to the wind.

>it is detrimental to the entire industry and state.
Yes you've said that. But you haven't told us much about how it has affected you, other than you will lose money because you can't grow pot in your house and sell it anymore.

>The new law leaves most patients in the lurch
The new law leaves most 'caregivers' who didn't rent a retail store front in a lurch. There is at this time no shortage of inexpensive high quality weed or storefronts where patients can get their 'medicine' in most populated parts of Colorado.

>is sending caregivers into a scramble
Not the ones who were smart enough to rent a retail store front.

>Do you not see the issue here?
Yes, clear as day. You are forced out and mad about it so you attack people who don't become so emotional about your personal lack of planning/effort.

>It is about being forced back into an "illegal"
It is perfectly legal for a patient to go to a dispensary and buy marijuana from a state licensed dealer. Right now there are lots of caregivers shouting these tales of "black market returns". The ONLY way that will happen is when a city bans dispensaries. Like Aurora, they will continue to have a black market. Though I imagine most patients will just drive to Denver.

>Protecting out patients
OMG you make me laugh. Caregivers "protecting" patients. How exactly does that happen? By selling them weed at stupidly high prices not unlike when these 'caregivers' were just drug dealers?

>5 patient caregiver group is so hard to stomach
Dude I get it, it's clear as day. You were a grower selling overpriced weed to more than 5 people and now you can't generate the income you once did so you're screwed. So instead of opening a dispensary before July 1 you want to bitch at me because I'm telling you things you don't want to hear.

Now let's follow a line of logic.

If you had 6 truly sick patients who you actually cared for you would have, come hell or high water, done any and everything in your power to open a dispensary so you can continue to care for them.

You did not do this.

Therefore:
You do not have 6 real patients.

Get a job dude. Or use your alleged growing skills to help a dispensary owner grow high quality medicine. That is the best way to help actual sick people, but I don't suspect that has ever been your motivation.

>>lessening the distribution of Cali weed
>Amen!!!

You are against weed from California only because it affects your profit margin. If you really cared about sick people you wouldn't mind the source; just the quality, pricepoint & availability.

 

[milehighmedical]

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[SGMeds]

I personally don't have a problem with the 5 patient limit. I did have to drop a couple patients, which I do regret. But the truth is it's enough to work with. And the fact that a limit exists, legitimizes those that follow it.

I do agree, my greatest regret is lacking the ability to keep a library of genetics. And every time I grow out seeds I have to sacrifice time due to tying up part of my plant count up. But, there's many friendly, generous people in this community who help me access a variety of genetics, so I can't complain.

Hopefully within a few months there will be an edibles case in court. And then, hopefully, there will be a favorable outcome. Once it's been proven to hold up in court... I'll get new rec's and run 99.

Jeez... you almost sound reasonable...???

 

[Surrender]

Yes, some one hundred fifty thousand people in Colorado make that claim. Of course 85% of them don't actually qualify and just like to get high right? Let's be honest, you and I both know this is all a scam and most users are, as they've always been, just plain old pot heads. So I'll repeat, how has this actually affected you? You can't get all your pot head friends high and you're mad about it, right?

I'd love to see your source for this claim.

Now let's follow a line of logic.

If you had 6 truly sick patients who you actually cared for you would have, come hell or high water, done any and everything in your power to open a dispensary so you can continue to care for them.

You did not do this.

Therefore:
You do not have 6 real patients.

Get a job dude. Or use your alleged growing skills to help a dispensary owner grow high quality medicine. That is the best way to help actual sick people, but I don't suspect that has ever been your motivation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque


Your lack of comprehension of the issues surrounding HB 1284 and the current situation in CO makes me think you are just trolling this thread.

 

[hgherbals420]

trolly trolly trolly troooooollly, hey trolly. if you don't have anything except criticism and negativity, i suggest you leave this thread up to the real patients and caregivers that are actually affected by this new bill.

 

[Bud Spleefman]

trolly trolly trolly troooooollly, hey trolly. if you don't have anything except criticism and negativity, i suggest you leave this thread up to the real patients and caregivers that are actually affected by this new bill.

No kidding! Considering Tharmer thinks we're all morons he sure likes to hang out with us...........

Like if you had 6 patients instead of 5 you'd start a Dispensary....

I must have missed where a bank would loan you a 100K to open a Dispensary if you had extra patients. What a retard. No offense to legitimate retards, sorry to associate you with Tharmer!

 

[tharmer]

>I'd love to see your source for this claim.
Here's a source that says 89% are under 30 and complain of chronic pain, though that is way out of whack compared to the normal population. Few 30 year olds actually have chronic pain. http://www.9news.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=120611

The local news is not a good source, but as I'm sure you know there are a plethora of online sources that say the same thing. Or are you doubting that 150k people have applied? The last estimate I saw on that was the Huffington post article by the two corrys.

>Your lack of comprehension of the issues
>surrounding HB 1284
I'm waiting for someone to actually point out how I lack comprehension on the issues at hand. Don't mistake your 'shoot the messenger' mindset for lack of comprehension.

>if you don't have anything except criticism
>and negativity
Now you leave HokuLoa alone.

>I must have missed where a bank would
>loan you a 100K to open a Dispensary
It's funny how you all want to attack me but then you say such stupid things as this. Very few dispensaries in Colorado cost $100k. The vast majority of them were started for about $25k and ended up somewhere short of $50k invested over their first few months. How do I know? Because I've talked with many many dispensary owners about their businesses when I was considering investing in one. Furthermore, people who own dispensaries did not get bank loans. They borrowed on their credit cards, they borrowed from friends and family, they borrowed against their house. Again I tell you these people are our neighbors, not some rich foreigners invading our cities.

And you proved my point, Spleefman, I said if you had 6 actual sick patients you would buy/start/takeover a dispensary come hell or high water. You don't have 6 actually sick patients, obviously.

>Considering Tharmer thinks we're all morons
No I don't. I've learned quite a bit reading this site. There are great articles on this site. There are many knowledgeable people who post here. I can easily disagree with a person and not think them a moron. Perhaps you could try that too?

 

[tharmer]

IMPORTANT MESSAGE (ignore after Aug 1, 2010)

IMPORTANT MESSAGE (ignore after Aug 1, 2010)

I just smoked some bad ass Colorado medical marijuana and I've come back (?to torture myself?) to post an important message.

Important message:
There is still time to become a dispensary or infused product license holder in the state of Colorado. July first was not the cutoff, August 1 is.

Let me repeat this because the message is sooo important:
You can still become licensed, in the great State of Colorado, to own/operate a medical marijuana dispensary or medical marijuana infused product manufacturer. There is even still time to become a licensed 'optional grow facility' owner/operator. Right now, not a year from now!

you - "What? what are you saying? how is that possible?"

All you need to do is negotiate with a person who currently owns a medical marijuana business in the state who applied for their local license before July 1. (The department of revenue estimates as many as 1,100 such businesses operate in the state).

What you need this person to do is allow you to apply to the state as 'Key Person' at the mmj dispensary/bakery/drink maker/candy maker/grow.

Here's the form you need:
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellit...EAddLink&cid=1251579134155&pagename=REWrapper

You want to be an "Associated Key".

So bust out a COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS (or less if you are a good negotiator) and become licensed.

The best part is, even if you don't qualify you can continue to operate until June 30, 2011 and nobody will shut you down. (unless you live in a Draconian town).

If you actually had $25,000 or $50,000 to invest I guarantee you that more than half the dispensary owners in the state would take you on as a key person and even give you a 'piece of the pie'.

disclaimer:
-I do not believe there are 1,100 mmj dispensaries in Colorado, the number is much much smaller.
-you will not qualify if you are of 'poor moral character'
-you will not qualify if you didn't live in Colorado last Christmas.
-you will need to bend over for the man
-you will be ostracized
-you will be envied

You have until July 31, 2010 to accomplish this. Don't waste you time posting here, get out there and find someone who will let you get a license. Heck, go onto craigslist and notice that there are still people trying to sell their dispensary. You know why they are selling? It's most likely because they don't qualify to hold the license. Most of the people selling their dispensaries on craiglist ONLY need a license holder. Maybe it's you?

 

[SGMeds]

lmao... but this is correct by my understanding as well... still a bunch of peeps frantically running around...

 

[Surrender]

>I'd love to see your source for this claim.
Here's a source that says 89% are under 30 and complain of chronic pain, though that is way out of whack compared to the normal population. Few 30 year olds actually have chronic pain. http://www.9news.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=120611

Perhaps you're unaware that the CDPHE made the "under 30" numbers up and got called out on it: http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/release/2009/073009.html

The correct average age is 41.

I'm waiting for someone to actually point out how I lack comprehension on the issues at hand. Don't mistake your 'shoot the messenger' mindset for lack of comprehension.

Done, twice now. You're coming on the ICMag internet forums and making things up.

The vast majority of them were started for about $25k and ended up somewhere short of $50k invested over their first few months.

The days of being able to just rent a storefront and open up without a ton of legal advice and upgrades (not to mention local permission) are long gone bro. The business model that most of these "$25k-$50k" shops opened under no longer exists. 70/30 is changing the whole nature of the game. Sure you might be able to walk in with cash and become a partner with an existing shop, but opening your own new shop is practically out of the question in most jurisdictions.

And you proved my point, Spleefman, I said if you had 6 actual sick patients you would buy/start/takeover a dispensary come hell or high water. You don't have 6 actually sick patients, obviously.

No, you don't actually get to slide by with this bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

 

[cobcoop]

Again I tell you these people are our neighbors, not some rich foreigners invading our cities.

Then please explain the foreign (as in not even from this continent) investors in the link I posted for you. Not to mention the foreign (as in out of state, ahem Ca) investors. I'm quite sure we have and can compile a list of out of State folk who opened up shop here. And yes some bailed (CCF) and some worked around the new laws. I was taking a friend to the doctors office back in sept/oct and there was a group of guys w/ cali plates on a mercedes all wearing velvet track suits etc. handing out cards to their hot shit new disp on pearl street.

Were not making this shit up man.

**For all those caregivers who 'cannot possibly be affected by 1284 because you can still grow your own cannabis' I think the trend will swing away from dispensaries very very soon. Many many locales are banning them outright. And in those communities where they are allowed I think the quality will degrade even farther, leaving folks with the truly good herb in the state in the drivers seat, just like always. The caregiver number caps will be challenged and IMO tossed out as un-constitutional. Hold on to your hats folks.

 

[Bud Spleefman]

I'm waiting for someone to actually point out how I lack comprehension on the issues at hand. Don't mistake your 'shoot the messenger' mindset for lack of comprehension.

Everyone's already pointed out that you lack comprehension.

It's funny how you all want to attack me but then you say such stupid things as this. Very few dispensaries in Colorado cost $100k. The vast majority of them were started for about $25k and ended up somewhere short of $50k invested over their first few months.

Costs to open an MMC:
5K City License
13K State License, Grow License, BOND
15K Security System, Security Windows, Security Doors
20K Electrical Upgrade cause 200 amps is NOT ENOUGH
30K HVAC UPGRADE, becuase what building has HVAC to cool multiple grows?
20K Buildout of Dispensary to included Bulletproof transaction window, ADA Bathroom, Access Control Panel

That's over 100K right there and your doors aren't open, you haven't built your grow, we didn't pay any legal fees, architectural, mechanical engineers.... oh, and rent, remember that???? Paying rent while you wait for your business license?!

Tharmer you obviously have a very childlike pereception of how business is done.

And you proved my point, Spleefman, I said if you had 6 actual sick patients you would buy/start/takeover a dispensary come hell or high water. You don't have 6 actually sick patients, obviously.

Why would I care if they are really sick, or kind of sick? I'm not a doctor, that's not my job. If they have a rec, I can be their caregiver. What the fuck is wrong with you? You verify if your patients are really sick? They've already been verified!!!!! The number of patients I has prior to HB-1284 was a lot more than 6, I've been a Caregiver for 3 years now, so when you ask stupid questions like that you obvious are an amateur.

 

[cannagirl]

Colorado House Bill 1284

Tharmer you are completely wrong about the prices of dispensaries. In May and June when we started looking to buy a dispensary, since we had a lot more than 5 patients, the prices of dispensaries was around $300k. Now that people are scrambling to be compliant that number has dropped significantly, but these shops for sale have attachments. Such as any shop in Denver must also have a grow in Denver. So the people with grows in Boulder can't even consider any Denver dispensary unless they are willing to move their grows.

Second Tharmer who the hell are you to tell someone if they are truly sick? Do you have MD after your name? I'm under 30, i've been in two car accidents, both times the speed of the accident was over 90 mph. I live in contant pain, everyday all the time. If you saw me on the streets you would never know, I look "normal". So Tharmer I say fuck you for making the awful assumption of people not being truly sick. I didn't see anywhere in any form that says you have to be truly sick. Those words have never been included. I belive the wording list specific conditions and chronic pain is one of them. Pain is unquantifiable so if someone tells you they are in pain as a caregiver, who are you to question it

 

[Rednick]

Thearmer:
I got some medicine for your tight rectum. Should really help you.
I don't think you have had some good medical grade shit yet.
Help is available, you just have to be willing to get off your high horse.

 

[Tripsick]

It should be for everyone, not just the people that are going to see what's after this life in a month or 6....


If you take Aspirin for a headache you should be allowed to smoke mmj for the same headache. If you think it helps anything for you personally then that should be reason enough... I think that is more the Cali law but its the way it should be for everyone. Legalize it already.

Stops you from being in Pain
Stops you from puking
makes you hungry
relieves stress
helps you feel good
helps you sleep
helps you concentrate
helps you stay off expensive pharmaceuticals
helps you shit... all valid reasons
Cannot OD from it no matter how many mistakes are made and how many different doctors you see for more and more...

I see people Doctor shop for Pharmaceuticals all the time..

lol i just started ranting... i blame the opiates today...

Oh and there is a saying that i forgot..I'll try and butcher it the best i can...
Basically Don't judge someone you don't know they are basically struggling as hard as you even if it doesn't look like it.

Lots of people will say "He looks find to me"... Well geez, i feel so fucking much better now that i know i dont look like i suffer to you...

 

[StrictlyGateway]

It should be for everyone, not just the people that are going to see what's after this life in a month or 6....


If you take Aspirin for a headache you should be allowed to smoke mmj for the same headache. If you think it helps anything for you personally then that should be reason enough... I think that is more the Cali law but its the way it should be for everyone. Legalize it already.

Stops you from being in Pain
Stops you from puking
makes you hungry
relieves stress
helps you feel good
helps you sleep
helps you concentrate
helps you stay off expensive pharmaceuticals
helps you shit... all valid reasons
Cannot OD from it no matter how many mistakes are made and how many different doctors you see for more and more...

I see people Doctor shop for Pharmaceuticals all the time..

lol i just started ranting... i blame the opiates today...

Oh and there is a saying that i forgot..I'll try and butcher it the best i can...
Basically Don't judge someone you don't know they are basically struggling as hard as you even if it doesn't look like it.

Lots of people will say "He looks find to me"... Well geez, i feel so fucking much better now that i know i dont look like i suffer to you...

trip, you may want to ask tharmer if these are acceptable uses of our sacred herb. make sure he gives you a permission slip, otherwise you may have issues in the future.

without said permission slip you are destined to hell with all the other 'recreational' sinners.....see ya there!

tharmer your contemptuous tone is despicable, you offer very little TRUE usable info, and most of your 'facts' are disputable, at best. you have hereby been requested (again) to troll elsewhere.
no worries, i'm sure there is somewhere you can go to discuss the effects of jail on lindsay lohans future.