Darwin's First Breeding Project

[darwinsbulldog]

hey all! just thought i'd write up a thread here about my plans for breeding. i'm still respectfully a "noob", this is my first breeding attempt, so i thought i'd start with some freebies i got. 30 x Mazar-I-Sharif is what i'm starting with. they're older than some other mazar i bought (hence being freebies) so the germ rate may not be 100% but we'll see.

plan is to grow all the 30 plants up in a SOG (Sea Of Green) type grow. i'll probably just use 2 or 3 30L tubs full of organic soil mix to grow these guys up. i'll grow them for 2 weeks from seed and then probably flip straight to 12/12. i'll be happy to get a few hundred seed to use as a seed stock for the next stage of breeding - artificial selection for whatever traits i find and want to keep. seeds have been put in a glass of water to germ.

so hopefully i can do this all within about 3 months, so hopefully mazar only needs 8 or so weeks flowering but i'll have to double check what the exact time is.

i'm interested to ask, i'm guessing the time i choose to pollinate the females will affect the amount of seed i get (amount of calyxes have developed) as males normally produce flowers 2 weeks prior to females doing so, if i just leave them to open pollinate whenever they're ready to, will that reduce the amount of seeds produced? should i harvest all male pollen by cutting any flowers that form before they open, leaving them in jars/glasses of water and collect the pollen then add it to flour 10-1 ratio and pollinate the females at peak flowering time? and if so what time is this, just before most pistils start turning orange?

this is my first try at breeding, so please feel free to critique or give advice where you see fit, i'd be more than appreciative! hope y'all have a good weekend!

darwin

 

[englishrick]

YA DOING IT ALL WRONG

lol

sorry man,,i had to do it,,,,,,



god bless darwin

i bet its gona be amazing

ive been looking forward to this

ive got high hopes for you

 

[darwinsbulldog]

hahaha don't make me more worried about it than i already am lol in the eyes of all the more experienced people on here i feel way out of my depth but have to start somewhere i guess haha thanks for the input englishrick!

 

[TrichyTrichy]

 

[shaunmulok]

I would say if you want a big amount of seeds i would pollinate at the end of week 2 of 12/12 and again at the end of week 3, This should ensure as many female parts are pollinated as possible and should give you a good 5 week grow time for the seeds to mature b4 the end of the plants cycle

Goood luck bro and i'm following close as i never got any M-I-S in any of my orders
peace
shaun

 

[englishrick]

your brain is packed with knolage ,,,,,so i guess your gona be making clever seeds

 

[darwinsbulldog]

I would say if you want a big amount of seeds i would pollinate at the end of week 2 of 12/12 and again at the end of week 3, This should ensure as many female parts are pollinated as possible and should give you a good 5 week grow time for the seeds to mature b4 the end of the plants cycle

Goood luck bro and i'm following close as i never got any M-I-S in any of my orders
peace
shaun

hey shaun, thanks a lot for that. so pollinating doesn't stop new calyxes from forming then hence doing it again at week five? and does that mean that those seeds from week 2 will mature long before the week 5 ones and fall before the others? cheers mate

 

[darwinsbulldog]

your brain is packed with knolage ,,,,,so i guess your gona be making clever seeds

haha still more than a lot to learn, but i hope to be making clever seeds worth respect one day their quality will be a result of what i have learned and will keep learning from all you guys on here anyway!

 

[BeAn]

screw the experianced ones, they will have started with the same amount of know how...its a plant, if they grow they will breed themselves while you sit back, you cant go wrong, if you didnt have the internet youd just suck it and see...

i think the mazar finish in nov/dec outdoor, but this depends on the cultivar itself, in general the ghani's like a drier root medium, dont get much rain in the valleys...

best advise is put everything in there that you want, start lots of seeds.....(you have obviously done your homework, 1st step is making the initial seed crop to up your stash, then the selection)

flower the preggo plants long man, like way past when youd smoke em...the seeds cant over mature..

 

[igrohydro]

your brain is packed with knolage ,,,,,so i guess your gona be making clever seeds

Smart seeds indeed,much luck Darwin!

 

[bun1]

Nice, I've tried to breed the mazar-i-sharif a few months ago with no luck. I had only 2(2 males) germinate out of 8, but they were old stock freebies so no skin off my back.

Ended up breeding a nice lebanese with a malana though

What I did was collect my pollen then hit the buds at 2 weeks and again at 3, did the job well.

I hope you have better luck than me with the mazars, can't wait to see your results and what you end up finding in your F2's.

Cheers

 

[TeaHateSea]

I just read the entire SP vs. Cubing thread and although it is more than my feeble mind can consume in one sitting I hope that seeing applied logic connects the dots for me. Thanks for that great read darwin, rick and others who participated, great conversation and an informative read.

This is the first time I've ever been excited to watch a grow that wasn't about flowering.
Best of luck Darwin, I'm scribed.

 

[darwinsbulldog]

hey bun1, hopefully i get a better germ rate than you did, that can't have been nice. guess we'll see what happens. i've some fresh stock here too if all else fails.

thanks for the kind words teahatesea, means a lot i hope i don't let you guys down then and everything runs smoothly! have a nice one guys

darwin

 

[darwinsbulldog]

i thought i'd make a list of aims etc and plan out exactly what i want to do, everyone please feel free to guide, give advice and/or criticise any part of this project as i'm here to learn as much as possible! lol so if you see things that could be done better etc it's now YOUR obligation to let me know lol by reading this you've signed a mental contract haha anyway here's what i've written up

Aims:
* Grow #1
* Grow out a sufficient number of girls and boys to get a good representation of the natural population's genes in the first set of progeny.
* Open Pollinate all plants grown (might collect pollen from males as they will most likely mature before females do - if collected, store in freezer, drop in front of fans in front of all the girls at week 2 and week 5)
* Examine all plants closely taking note of different phenotypes to select for in the future (no selection will be done in this first grow at all it's just for sufficient seed production to start grows for selection). Take vigorous notes, pictures, etc of phenotypes/traits, will help for future selection.
* Because of numbers i want to use and size of my grow space currently i'm going to SOG (Sea Of Green) style grow them in single colas, or if there's enough room i'll just prune when light isn't penetrating well. size and yield of plants at this point isn't important, i just need as many plants grown as possible to reproduce an produce seed with as big a gene pool as possible.

* Grow #2
* Now it's time to focus on selection.
* Look for individuals with the best phenotypes/combination of traits (more than just one selected trait per plant). Better to choose fewer plants with more of the traits you want in each plant than twice as many plants with only 1 of the traits per plant you’re after – this will save time selecting as the offspring are more likely to express these traits. The more plants used, the more you will to look through to find the best combinations, the quicker you can breed for and stabilize these traits.
* Cull down numbers to ~3 Males and ~3 Females to cross or open pollinate.

* Grow #3, #4, #5, etc repeat Grow #2 etc.
* Follow this process until you have one or more lines of stabilized phenotypes you have selected for (ie. all progeny in each generation resemble parents phenotypes, each consecutive generation of progeny should comprise a great portion of parent phenos until it reaches 100% = stabilized). Depending on what phenotypes arise, i may want to produce a few lines, ie. if there are 2 different smells like lemon and pineapple, i might like both and create a lemon line and a pineapple line. This can be done for any traits you desire, just have to work out what there is to choose from first.

ULTIMATE AIM – produce IBLs from multiple landrace strains (mazar-i-sharif being only one of many) to eventually hybridise.

 

[darwinsbulldog]

one of the first Mazar beans to pop

 

[darwinsbulldog]

here's a pretty cool video i found of a field of marijuana in afghanistan, might even be mazar-i-sharif haha who knows! lucky bastards -

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5d2_1209768660

 

[igrohydro]

Hi Darwin,in grow 2 will you clone plants in search of differant pheno's,trait, to isolate?


Possibly a silly question,forgive.

That mazar is looking good indeed,all the best.

 

[darwinsbulldog]

not a silly question at all igrohydro, and thanks for asking as it makes me think about things more and plan it out. i think that yeah if space permits and i find 3 males and 3 females that are amazing i might clone them all to try and hold onto them and grow them out again to check the phenos.

 

[darwinsbulldog]

i just wanna say thanks to Dread for giving me advice about cracking the ungermed seeds between my thumb and index finger. i had given them about 10 days or more and they hadn't germed so asked what else i could do to up it, i cracked them all along their line gently yesterday arvo, went and had a look today and i have an extra 12% germ over night! so big thanks Dread, great technique!

 

[igrohydro]

Thanks Darwin,space is always an issue to alot of us.
Some folk use scarifacation,ive done it a few times but it can be tricky,its not cool loosing a seed.Nothing wrong with giving them a helping hand though.
Looking forward to updates,
all the best.