Legalize MJ ! Really? No I mean REALLY?

[Hash Zeppelin]

What the Fuck? Are you stuck on stupid or something?. Its in the BILL and I've posted it up several times. Cant you read? Read the damb BILL or do i have to post it again. Geesh! LOL!

you can post it for us as much as you like but you are reading it wrong. If you think this under 21 thing is even gonna matter, you are not really mentally qualified to vote anyways. As of right now if you give a kid under 21 any pot and get caught; and the minor does not have a med card you will for sure go to jail.

SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

you have just picked a useless point to argue. you and your friends will more than likely be 21 by the time the laws goes into effect, and businesses are in full swing. Until use a med card.

really if you cant vote yes on this then you need to move out of cali to a state with no med laws and see how you like it.

Being young, living in cali, and throwing away the chance to legalize makes you like a rich sheltered child. One that thinks they dont have anything because you didnt get the exact bmw you wanted for your birthday. you wanted the 100,000 dollar 7 series but all you got was a lousy 35 thousand dollar 3 series, so you got mad and said return it.

In reality though you are spoiled and have never experienced a real shitty situation even once, and you just passed up something really great, so you end up with an old honda civic with 300,000 miles on it. way to go.

am i getting through to you? do you see what i'm saying. do you need to get "hooked on phonics?"

 

[Travieso]

Blah Blah Blah! Here it is again. Read it again. Slowly this time!

(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense. (d) In addition to the penalties above, any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized, negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell, any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.

No thanks!


VOTE NO ON PROP 19!

 

[Travieso]

Health & Safety Code 11361

§11361. Employment of or sale to minor by adult; punishment.

(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in unlawfully transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years. (b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers or gives or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.

How do you smart asses interpret this?..This is our current MJ law.
Does this say if i pass a joint to a 20 year old I will go to jail. No it doesnt. They dont consider 20 year olds minors . Duh!!!!

 

[Kalicokitty]

Travieso, are you really such a bumbling moron that you and your high school buddys can't smoke without getting busted?
Honestly.

Use a little common sense and discretion, and it's not going to affect you.

 

[Travieso]

Travieso, are you really such a bumbling moron that you and your high school buddys can't smoke without getting busted?
Honestly.

Use a little common sense and discretion, and it's not going to affect you.

Your the moron, since when do 20 year old still go to high school! LOL. Sorry, this "initiative" is majorly flawed. I am with Jack Herrer and Dennis Peron on this one. I guess those guys are morons too. LOL! No worries. This flawed "initiative" doesnt have a chance at passing. We are pushing hard to get it to fail and then we will vote "Yes" when a real initiative that really legalizes cannabis comes in a year or two! Open your eyes!

 

[vta]

Yeah we should all vote no and let the continued persecution of hundreds of thousands of cannabis users so some brainless shithead doesn't feel left out because he's not 21 yet...

I am with Jack Herrer and Dennis Peron on this one. I guess those guys are morons too.

No they are not...and your not them so don't put yourself on their level. Because someone thinks your a moron means that JH and DP are too??? lol

I'm sorry someone didn't create and fund a "Legalize Pot For Minors" proposition. Maybe you can give up one of your millions and do it yourself. Until then I wish you would just STFU. This is a conversation amongst adults about a proposed law that would allow us adults to grow and smoke pot at home without the fear of going to jail. Go ahead and vote no, I don't care. Your 20 year old friend will be 21 next year and will be subject to arrest if this doesn't pass. Stop living in the moment and think about the future, all you 18, 19 and 10 year old voters and vote yes!

Another thing....18 , 19 and 20 year old's DO NOT make up ANY significant voter block. Most do not vote. And polls show that the ones voting, are for this...maybe they are thinking about the future or the ridicules war on drugs. Either way, more young voters are registering than ever before and they are doing so to vote YES on 19.

 

[StoneElemental]

Seeing as there are so many things here I'd like to reply on I won't do the forum quote as that seems needless at this point. To start with Travieso please don't take this as an attack as I don't mean it to be. What you seem to be telling everyone is that you support underage consumption because you simply can't tell someone "no". Further on that note you also seem to be implying that you and your 'buddies' have a bad case of adolescant impatience. Simply wait it's not that hard and if someone underage asks you to share with them just tell them they have to wait like the rest of us did. It's common sense and the reason people get so flustered and want to insult you.

As for HashZeppelin I believe it is, I noted to bearded1 already that I don't live in a MMJ state and while the laws here are strict it may not be nearly as strict as many other states. I'd like for Travieso to come to the midwest and carry an ounce with him (as prop 19 says you'd be permitted to do) and see how far he gets.

to mrdizzle, understand this is how progress goes. This doesn't mean it's be all end all it's a start. As opposed to waiting years if it ever happens again and who knows it could go back up as the same thing or possibly even worse.Lastly I'd like to note it's ok to try to influence someone don't tell them what to do based on your point of view and mostly don't tell them how to vote as thats pretty fascist pal.

Last but not least SilverSage, I don't think I'm totally sure what point you were trying to make I've read it at least twice already. Could you please resolve a little of my ignorance and sum it up a little?

stay safe and take care

-S.E.

 

[Travieso]

Well i dont consider 20 years old being underage and either does our current laws when it comes to marijuana consumption. How old were you when you started blazing?.LOL and i can really care less what some idiots on the internet think of me. LOL

 

[bearded1]

right on the point StoneElemental everybody wants ice cream when they forgot to buy ice to make it.

 

[TLoft13]

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I think you are totally right, but it still holds no weight against the benefits, these are minor nuissances compared to what we have now.

 

[StoneElemental]

your state's laws were seemabley meant for the ill and MMJ as to not deprive anyone 18-20 of a clearly beneficial medicine. But Legalization itself is another realm. And when I started toking is irrelevant because then just as now it's illegal for everyone where I live. I'm sure you as many as the rest of are just as guilty directing attention away from yourself doesn't make you right. If you can provide true legitimate adult standpoints in a place you bothered to discuss them in the first place I'm sure all of us would be more than happy to discuss them and possibly even be influenced by them. Your age standpoint is easily dismissed because you're speaking in terms of at most 3 years which you can ask most of the older members here is a blink of an eye when it comes right down to it.

Take some time to grow a little. (not an insult just a little advice)

-S.E.

Well i dont consider 20 years old being underage and either does our current laws when it comes to marijuana consumption. How old were you when you started blazing?.LOL and i can really care less what some idiots on the internet think of me. LOL

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Your the moron, since when do 20 year old still go to high school! LOL. Sorry, this "initiative" is majorly flawed. I am with Jack Herrer and Dennis Peron on this one. I guess those guys are morons too. LOL! No worries. This flawed "initiative" doesnt have a chance at passing. We are pushing hard to get it to fail and then we will vote "Yes" when a real initiative that really legalizes cannabis comes in a year or two! Open your eyes!

^ok to begin with. even though I like kalicokity, that was a funny burn. I couldnt help laughing.

next. truthfully you wont have to worry man. No one will catch you if you pass a joint to an 18 year old and you are smart about it. No stranger will report you either, as long as you are minding your own business. Also since they are 18 they can do what they want so you dont have to worry about parents pressing charges on you if they are caught high because they have no legal right to do so. Also they would have to have some sort of proof before the police would even consider arresting some one for something like that. If you grow and toke now it is hard for me to believe you are actually paranoid about this. it is negligible

but all that is besides the point man. the biggest reason your argument is more flawed than this bill is that YOU CAN ALL GET MED CARDS. The age limits on prop 19 are just there because you cant pass a bill like this with our ages limits or taxes.

( here is my burn, but it is in good fun lol.)
As much as I would hate to pay that tax, to the hypocritical government I know that it is not going to be avoidable. all commodities are taxed, and the taxes raised from this bill go directly to cali schools.....

and from listening to you speak, I can tell cali schools need all the help they can get.

^that burn is for you kalicokitty

 

[Gert Lush]

this might be a re-post, oh well

This Bill is Majorly flawed!

Peron, co-author of Proposition 215, cites three "fatal flaws" in the Oaksterdamn U initiative . These can be described as limits, taxes, and penalties regarding minors.

Yeah it's pretty much been done to death, but hey, it's a hot topic, what can you do?

In a nutshell:
Peron's first objection seems to be founded on a misunderstanding, viz. that you can only have an ounce. That's all you can carry in public, how much do you usually carry? LOL. You can keep as much as you grow, so if you can get 5 kilos from your 25 square feet, good for you. I suspect this objection was raised before all the facts were clear, I'd hate to think it was founded on carelessness. So much for that one.

Taxes, the second objection. Well, yeah, death and taxes as they say. However, note that there are NO taxes for personal grows, like us home-growers. Pretty good I think. As for the "McWeedie" bulk growers, hell, let 'em pay a bit of tax for all the 2nd grade weed they'll be dumping on less than clued up users. I ain't gonna cry. Personal growers NOT taxed. Fuckin fantastic, I say. So much for the second one.

Third, minors. I don't like this one either, but hey, minors grow up, and nothing stops them from getting med if they really need it, so what's the major problem? Yeah, I wish young adults were treated like mature individuals, but does that happen anywhere in America? LOL. Plus, listening to some of them here, one wonders...

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So, in a way, those objections seem pretty trivial to me, with the very good point that igrowone made about NORMALITY and presumption of innocence. Do you have any idea how huge this is?
Can you use your imagination?
How many stories about busts have there been, some quite horrid, even just this last month?
This sort of thing just won't happen when there's a pot plant on every windowsill. Really beats me how some folk don't get that.
Plus hemp fields as far as the eye can see. JH's dream come true.
Plus folks visiting from all over the US - and taking some of the light back to their home states.
Plus once the ball is rolling, some of the bad parts will be really easy to change. If it gets defeated, not so easy at all.

All this far outweighs the risk of some large growers losing out on profits. But maybe you think profits are more important. Well, perhaps so. But even the profits aren't guaranteed if there is a strong backlash, strict enforcement of medical, etc, are they?

 

[Kalicokitty]

Your the moron, since when do 20 year old still go to high school! !

|When they've failed two or three years.
It's "you're" not "your"
Who's the moron?
Just take the GED.

Relax and be 20, or 18, or 12, (not entirely sure what you are) and enjoy it, time goes by quick, it only seems like forever when you're young.

 

[igrowone]

Taxes, the second objection. Well, yeah, death and taxes as they say. However, note that there are NO taxes for personal grows, like us home-growers. Pretty good I think. As for the "McWeedie" bulk growers, hell, let 'em pay a bit of tax for all the 2nd grade weed they'll be dumping on less than clued up users. I ain't gonna cry. Personal growers NOT taxed. Fuckin fantastic, I say. So much for the second one.

the 'death before you tax my weed' issue has to be the most outrageous of the bad legislation claims
the medical dispensaries are already taxed, so shouldn't the Prop 19 haters start a MMJ dispensary boycott?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

oh gert you are so right.

also trav.. if you want to be treated like an adult even though you are a kid or minor just move to Texas. They will charge and try you as an adult starting at the age of 14.

1 plant in texas = 5 year minimum sentence, and a max of 20. guess what judges here wont give you less than 10 cause they are all anti weed here. same laws for anything over 2 ounces. it is the dark age here.

you really dont realize how good you have it there, and how much better it will get for the entire nation if this bill passes.

please listen to us. we are not steering you wrong. this is all good advice from experienced growers man. we want the best for all growers and would not vote yes if we thought it would be bad.

please vote yes on prop 19.

 

[Travieso]

Do you guys see what Dicks plan was all along... LOL!


Oakland approves massive grows; 275k per permit ... Rich Lee Wins One
The Oakland City Council isn't waiting for November to begin jumbling the legal rules. The Council's Public Safety Committee approved licensing wholesale pot growing Tuesday, 3-to-1.

KALW News reporter Ali Winston reports from that meeting that sponsors say the main reason for the proposal isn't revenue, it's safety (as their name implies): residential electrical fires more than doubled in the city in the past three years, and officials think there's a good connection between that increase and unregulated pot "grow houses."

That said, the committee proposes that applicants pay fees of over $275,000 per operation.

Approved by the committee and full City Council, four large growers would be permitted in the first year.

One grower said he embraced regulation but argued that the plan would force medium- and small-scale cultivators to close down, move, or "go back underground into the dark ages."

The ordinance doesn't yet set a limit on the size of the large cultivators

The plan also would permit Oakland's four licensed dispensaries to sell to retailers across California.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=67931

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

Last month rich lee purchased a 20 acre plot to build his new growing facilities ...

 

[dagnabit]

Do you guys see what Dicks plan was all along... LOL!


Oakland approves massive grows; 275k per permit ... Rich Lee Wins One
The Oakland City Council isn't waiting for November to begin jumbling the legal rules. The Council's Public Safety Committee approved licensing wholesale pot growing Tuesday, 3-to-1.

KALW News reporter Ali Winston reports from that meeting that sponsors say the main reason for the proposal isn't revenue, it's safety (as their name implies): residential electrical fires more than doubled in the city in the past three years, and officials think there's a good connection between that increase and unregulated pot "grow houses."

That said, the committee proposes that applicants pay fees of over $275,000 per operation.

Approved by the committee and full City Council, four large growers would be permitted in the first year.

One grower said he embraced regulation but argued that the plan would force medium- and small-scale cultivators to close down, move, or "go back underground into the dark ages."

The ordinance doesn't yet set a limit on the size of the large cultivators

The plan also would permit Oakland's four licensed dispensaries to sell to retailers across California.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=67931

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

Last month rich lee purchased a 20 acre plot to build his new growing facilities ...

so what?
its called business...
have you ever run a small business?
it costs money.

look guy i understand your a scared young person...
but your emotions have become a detriment to your logic..
put down the hateraid and listen to people rather than spew regurgitated lies and nonsense.

the article you quoted has nothing to do with TC2010.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Your the moron, since when do 20 year old still go to high school! LOL. Sorry, this "initiative" is majorly flawed. I am with Jack Herrer and Dennis Peron on this one. I guess those guys are morons too. LOL! No worries. This flawed "initiative" doesnt have a chance at passing. We are pushing hard to get it to fail and then we will vote "Yes" when a real initiative that really legalizes cannabis comes in a year or two! Open your eyes!

This kid is a fucking idiot. I propose we raise the voting age to 25.

 

[Travieso]

This kid is a fucking idiot. I propose we raise the voting age to 25.

Stop crying little girl!. LOL!

Vote No on Prop 19!