Anyone know the deal with Maine dispenseries?

[Hmmm512]

I don't see Big Insurance companies ever paying for it and I would't be onboard with my tax dollars paying for it, as E.C was saying. Yeah, probably $300 and some change might be what we are looking at for pricing. I think that will hold true until the state allows more dispensaries to open up. Def Caregivers seem like the most reasonable way to go.

512

 

[highsteppa]

well it pays for oxycotin and other prescrips, and the stuff that hasn't gone generic is expensive. I have to agree that I would rather see out tax money going elsewhere, I would say to the roads but they are starting to do some road work around here finally...heheh

The zip per week patients will need to grow their own, obviously, but what happens to the people that are too debilitated to grow their own? I guess if they have friends or famliy in the know they would get help but otherwise they 'd most likely stick with the pharmys.

 

[Hmmm512]

well it pays for oxycotin and other prescrips, and the stuff that hasn't gone generic is expensive. I have to agree that I would rather see out tax money going elsewhere, I would say to the roads but they are starting to do some road work around here finally...heheh

The zip per week patients will need to grow their own, obviously, but what happens to the people that are too debilitated to grow their own? I guess if they have friends or famliy in the know they would get help but otherwise they 'd most likely stick with the pharmys.

Maybe someday it will. Never know. There will be more dispensaries eventually.That is where caregivers can bridge the gap. I believe some sort of network to be able to connect legal growers with legal patients in need would be beneficial. Not sure how that would work though.

512

 

[emerald city]

Maybe someday it will. Never know. There will be more dispensaries eventually.That is where caregivers can bridge the gap. I believe some sort of network to be able to connect legal growers with legal patients in need would be beneficial. Not sure how that would work though.

512

There are a couple groups in maine already connecting growers with patients....Some are cool, some are out for only profit....Beware the group's that promise to make you a millionare and want 2/3's of your profits and no legal representation when spit hits the fan....
The hard part is to get the patient to designate you as a caregiver[paperwork].To begin you have to sign up threw DHHS ,assign a caregiver,then they can start to grow for thier patients......
I think DHHS should keep a list of potential caregivers and post them up somewhere so patients can find one in the area who will work with them....In our town us patients are slowly starting to group together ,to advocate and protect each other ...I still think the bigest hurdle for us small time patient/caregivers is access to clones..We need a genetic's co-op for all.
E.C/out

 

[Hmmm512]

There are a couple groups in maine already connecting growers with patients....Some are cool, some are out for only profit....Beware the group's that promise to make you a millionare and want 2/3's of your profits and no legal representation when spit hits the fan....
The hard part is to get the patient to designate you as a caregiver[paperwork].To begin you have to sign up threw DHHS ,assign a caregiver,then they can start to grow for thier patients......
I think DHHS should keep a list of potential caregivers and post them up somewhere so patients can find one in the area who will work with them....In our town us patients are slowly starting to group together ,to advocate and protect each other ...I still think the bigest hurdle for us small time patient/caregivers is access to clones..We need a genetic's co-op for all.
E.C/out[/quote
E.C.,
That is great that there is some organizing between patients and caregivers. Yeah, just with small businesses, gotta find the net potential and consider that best cause scenario and subract 30+% and determin if it is worth it.

Agree on the issue with the clones. It kinda leaves CG's out there to roll the dice on getting clones and the such. Kinda thought that would be legal... Everything legal besides getting seeds and clones. Hmmm (scratching my head)

512

 

[emerald city]

There are a couple groups in maine already connecting growers with patients....Some are cool, some are out for only profit....Beware the group's that promise to make you a millionare and want 2/3's of your profits and no legal representation when spit hits the fan....
The hard part is to get the patient to designate you as a caregiver[paperwork].To begin you have to sign up threw DHHS ,assign a caregiver,then they can start to grow for thier patients......
I think DHHS should keep a list of potential caregivers and post them up somewhere so patients can find one in the area who will work with them....In our town us patients are slowly starting to group together ,to advocate and protect each other ...I still think the bigest hurdle for us small time patient/caregivers is access to clones..We need a genetic's co-op for all.
E.C/out[/quote
E.C.,
That is great that there is some organizing between patients and caregivers. Yeah, just with small businesses, gotta find the net potential and consider that best cause scenario and subract 30+% and determin if it is worth it.

Agree on the issue with the clones. It kinda leaves CG's out there to roll the dice on getting clones and the such. Kinda thought that would be legal... Everything legal besides getting seeds and clones. Hmmm (scratching my head)

512

Thats my question...Where does one get"legal" start up material?? I know that as patients were allowed to trade/swap clones and seeds but where do we start....
How are the dispensarys getting thier cuts to start??gOTTA be a way to bring in some new genetics to the maine gen pool.I highly doubt the 4 dispensaryies will be offering up for sale, thier prized breeds that came from outa state[cali]...
Peace/out E.C

 

[Bretonston]

this whole thing gives me a migraine...i guess next july they can open.

 

[Hmmm512]

Thats my question...Where does one get"legal" start up material?? I know that as patients were allowed to trade/swap clones and seeds but where do we start....
How are the dispensarys getting thier cuts to start??gOTTA be a way to bring in some new genetics to the maine gen pool.I highly doubt the 4 dispensaryies will be offering up for sale, thier prized breeds that came from outa state[cali]...
Peace/out E.C

Yeah start up is on your own. Roll the dice and see if you crap out. Would hate to be a caregiver and be busted trying to get seeds or clones. You would be done as a caregiver if you got caught. Doesn't seem right. That is going to have to change. Well, I would like it to, anyways.

512

 

[emerald city]

Yeah start up is on your own. Roll the dice and see if you crap out. Would hate to be a caregiver and be busted trying to get seeds or clones. You would be done as a caregiver if you got caught. Doesn't seem right. That is going to have to change. Well, I would like it to, anyways.

512

The wording of the law was either #1. not well thought out OR #2. they are trying to force patients to use a dispensery..On the other side I dont see many/any from the underground community,wanting to step up/out into the lite and offering up thier prized breeds for no compensation....Now if the state allowed caregiver and patients to form a co-op,let them charge a small [operating] fee,per clone, to cover expenses[ie;lites/ferts etc] instead of just tradeing/swapping,maybe folks wouldnt have to break the rules and take the risk of loseing our caregiver/patient status cause we had to cross state lines or ship away mailorder to obtain seeds to get started..The great state o maine left lots of folks painted into a corner on this issue.
On another note ,dont they realize how much wasted time goes into culling threw seeds to find a suitable mom.A patient doesnt need to waste the time and effort, if they could just have access to a "Clone bank"....Think the new dispenseries will sell cutting's?? NOT...
Last comment, from the wizard of oz,"You dont have to look much further then your own back yard D." Meaning,if you can find it,Maine has some of the best marijuana in the world already in state.You just gotta know the right folks ...ay-yah.
Good day to all E.C/out
p.s how does cali and colo do clone banks?

 

[highsteppa]

when I visited CO they sold cuttings at the dispensary, but there wasn't much selection. If a plant needs to be 12" x 12" why would it be a problem to drive a cut over to another caregivers place?
Legal or not I imagine the growers for the dispensaries will just have some cuts sent over here.

Its tricky with the genetics thing, because people need to protect their business interersts. Say I am a caregiver(which I 'm not...yet) who has a collection of heirloom indicas for example. If I'm a small player I want to keep an edge to compete. Also I may want to market may wares as "something different" that isn't available elsewhere. On the other hand maybe I have a patient that wants hazes and all I have is indicas, it would be nice to be able to go to another CG to get the genetics I need for that patient.

So maybe a Co-op would be nice. But if you ever beento a co-op meeting you'd be surprised at how petty and argumetative a bunch of hippies can be if they think someone is stepping on their toes.. I could imagine some sort of independent care giver collective. But their would have to be by laws like any other co-op.Plants must be true to name, no cuts are traded out side the co-op, plants must come from a source that is free of powdery mildew and spider mites, quarerterly meetings, etc......sounds like a headache.

One thing for sure is that the caregiver groups lists I've seen online suck. Well one advertises "super snowdog" as their flagship strain. Everythng else I've seen anyone can get from the seedbank. Not to say incredible plants can't be found from seed.

 

[avatopaz]

I think medication should be available on a sliding scale, based on income. Allowing for costs, including overhead, living wages and reinvestment. If our area dispensaries are going to produce for themselves and not depend on "gray (area) market" growers/dealers then I think it can be done for $200/oz. max with most well below that.

IMO the incentive "to go legit" is just that, to not have your freedom at risk. If you need black market profits then stay there.

Peace AvA

 

[emerald city]

I hear you,lots to think about.....
Here is my short take... I too wouldnt give out my one of a kind genetic's,BUT there are plenty of breeds out there that could be shared..Anything that was bought as a seed is fair game as far as im concerned...I once knew a guy that bought "soma"s" NYC desiel...Found a female and thought he owned the breed.Was unglued if he thought someone else had the breed in his area...Untill it was proved to him the breed had been in the circle long before his time and it was NOT his to have say over...That particular breed is all over maine now so it wouldnt be a big deal for it to be produced and hit the open/medicinal market.Most breeds found around maine fall into that catigory[ak47-grapefruit,nycd etc..As for someone's personal work,years of breeding,i can see how those select cuts would be held onto a little tighter by those who put in the work.....
Most folk im sure could find at least 1 breed they would be willing to donate towards a genetics co-op with out slitting thier throats....
I also agree the biggest hurdle to a co-op is keeping the material cleen.If a co-op could take a donated cut,cleen her up,grow her up for mother stock,and then use as for cuttings for members for a small fee-cool....If everyone is just showing up and shareing there could realy turn into big problems [like you said] with P.M,mite etc.

 

[emerald city]

I say 300-350. Thats close enough to black market to give good growers incentive to go legal, and would also give the private caregivers an edge over the dispensaries.

I'm assuming that insurance companies aren't going to reimburse patients for MM, any word on this?

I think medication should be available on a sliding scale, based on income. Allowing for costs, including overhead, living wages and reinvestment. If our area dispensaries are going to produce for themselves and not depend on "gray (area) market" growers/dealers then I think it can be done for $200/oz. max with most well below that.

IMO the incentive "to go legit" is just that, to not have your freedom at risk. If you need black market profits then stay there.

Peace AvA

Read somewhere that "notheast patients group" is looking at makeing well over 1,000,ooo.$ after the start up period....Lets hope they keep thier prices reasonable and hire locals.
Just got an email telling of good vibes and karma,seems weve heard of a caregiver group who is taking care of thier patients medical M.J needs for the set fee of 500 $ per month.If you figure state law allows for use up to 5 ounces a month, you do the math.
Good for them and thier patients.....Do you think the dispenseries will be giving the same type of deal to maine's patient's?

 

[swordfish]

when I visited CO they sold cuttings at the dispensary, but there wasn't much selection. If a plant needs to be 12" x 12" why would it be a problem to drive a cut over to another caregivers place?
Legal or not I imagine the growers for the dispensaries will just have some cuts sent over here.

Its tricky with the genetics thing, because people need to protect their business interersts. Say I am a caregiver(which I 'm not...yet) who has a collection of heirloom indicas for example. If I'm a small player I want to keep an edge to compete. Also I may want to market may wares as "something different" that isn't available elsewhere. On the other hand maybe I have a patient that wants hazes and all I have is indicas, it would be nice to be able to go to another CG to get the genetics I need for that patient.

So maybe a Co-op would be nice. But if you ever beento a co-op meeting you'd be surprised at how petty and argumetative a bunch of hippies can be if they think someone is stepping on their toes.. I could imagine some sort of independent care giver collective. But their would have to be by laws like any other co-op.Plants must be true to name, no cuts are traded out side the co-op, plants must come from a source that is free of powdery mildew and spider mites, quarerterly meetings, etc......sounds like a headache.

One thing for sure is that the caregiver groups lists I've seen online suck. Well one advertises "super snowdog" as their flagship strain. Everythng else I've seen anyone can get from the seedbank. Not to say incredible plants can't be found from seed.

www.mainescaregivers.com thats my caregiver service in maine I got the snow dog. Hit me up sometime

 

[emerald city]

Id like to see the snow dog