2.5x1.8 meter coco scrog, 3 strain bingo!!

[Scrogerman]

Hey Buddy,
Id look at the differences in enviroment first, if you are using an identicle nute/addy programme with the same Pheno's etc. Always a major factor & conditions are the big difference from yours to the tent grow. Could be a number of things man. its difficult to pin things like that down to one thing.

 

[gaiusmarius]

grats on the harvest Tokesome, looks real good. hope the numbers make you happy.

very nice looking cookies, be a bit careful who you give them to. some light weights will eat them and end up throwing up and feeling like shit for hours. if you know a guy is not smoking daily or heavily just give half or a quarter...it's no fun worrying about some one while you are busy tripping your ass off yourself, lol.

great job

 

[Tokesome]

Hey Scrog, always making me think, nice one dude, you have something in mind?

I cant put my figer on it myself. I think both environments are on the good side, tho both were getting into the mid 90`s during the recent hot spell we`ve just had. Both have good air movement and air transference. 400w used in the tent, 3x 600w on mine, obviously some differences, but I cant think of an issue that`d make them ripen a little quicker on the tent.

Hey Giaus, Thanks for the congrats, I know I`m going to be happy with the numbers, its just a matter of how happy, lol. I`ve chopped the Grapefruit and Big Bud today and despite the puny big bud`s, the Grape fruit look to have done quite well.

Giaus mate, I`ve had accidents with my cookies and friends before, and believe me mate a 1/4 of a cookie is way too much for a light smoker, they are a bit on the mental side, strength wise, but that`s how I like em, and my friends know what they`re like. I just love eating canna butter edibles, but you have to put some time aside for them, sleep like a tot after too.

I`m gonna make some bubble hash right now with the rest of the last crop`s trim, still loads of it so it should produce a decent ball of top hash. I`ll pop a few pics up of the results, and maybe a bit of the process too. I`ll take a couple of pics of todays harvest hanging up too, it looks well impressive, especially after what`s already been hung there previously.

I thought the Arma was drying a bit too quick so I tupperwared it up to allow the moisture to spread evenly throughout it. then leave the lids off a while and turn the stems over, lid back on and repeat.

Right bubble hash!

Cheers Toke

 

[Tokesome]

Hash and harvest

Hash and harvest

Here are a couple of pics of the Grapefruit and Big Bud hanging up to dry, The rows are over 10 feet long, the Big Bud only accounts for about 4 feet of one of the rows. The Big Bud has a remarkably fragrant smell, not like Big Bud I`ve grown before, but it does remind me distinctly of another strain, but I cant for the life of me remember which. I`m sure it`ll come to me. The Grapefruit smelt of earthy Grapefruit when touched lightly, but became very powerfully dank as it was handled, as gently as possible, during trimming, it smelt as if it was going to make your eyes water.

One of the Grapefruit buds, its hanging upside down.

Well I made some good hash tonight, I started by chilling some water with 3kg of ice, 4 ice blocks and then putting in my fridge for half an hour, it was so cold you wouldn`t want your hand in there for long!

Its quite a bag of trim I`m using, no idea of the weight though.

Then fitted the bubble sacks, tipped in half the bag of trim, stirred with a kitchen spoon an then gave it some zapp with a hand held blender. You have to be very careful that you dont snag up the bubble sack when doing this. . . . especially if you`re prone to being a bit of a twat at times, being stoners `n all!!

After removing the weed sack, the resin sack is drained off.

I ran the same weed through twice, the first catch followed by the second.

I should have left it at that, being prone to being a bit of a twat at times. . . stoner! I snagged the fucking sack, doh!

I had to get a bit creative as this was the result.

It took me back to the days before bubble sacks were sold, after reading about Ed Ros.`s account of turning mold to gold. I spooned in into a pint glass and stirred it up, this got most of the weed floating where I could fish it out.

I got most of it out, you can see the odd fleck in one of the lumps in the following photo, but not many. That`s my holiday smoke sorted out. I never did the second half of the bag a second run after the snagging disaster, which was a bit wasteful. Ah well.

I`m gonna twiddle my thumbs till its all dry and sorted, both the hash and the harvest.

Time I slept, cheers Toke.

 

[~Shhh~]

Cor blimey mate, nice to be a friend of yours ay edibles, hash n bumper harvest.... Can't get better than that! Can't remember if you said or not but will you be running one strain for the next one or going with a few different ones again?

Single strain should see those numbers going even higher

 

[Scrogerman]

Oh Noo, Mate i did exactly the same on my last run with bubble, ended up scratching the screen & piercing it like a Twat, Twat Club, another £15 up in smoke, ive tried contacting the company that makes the bags n looks like ill have to buy a set of three to replace just the one, ill keep trying, they want £28 & thats half price, Ouch! G'Luck with the weigh in bro!

 

[Tokesome]

Hey Shhh, bet you`ve been busy, must pop by your grow tonight and check it out, as you can see I`ve been busy my end. Yeah running just Arma`s next grow, with plans to run just Grapefruit on the next one.

Yeah Scrog they`re a bit of a rip off in my opinion, and not overly effective I reckon. I wont buy another sack to replace this one and going to revert to my old favourite method, using very fine denier tights/stockings, use half a leg and fill with fairly well cruched and frozen trim and tie it so its sealed. Then put it in the frozen water using your resin sack to catch in. Put on some wooly gloves and then a pair of marigolds and pummle the fuck out of the stocking, being careful not to rip them, they`re amazingly flexible in water though, just make sure there are no stalks in there. You can see the clouds of resin puffing out of the stocking, I reckon its much more effective and you can get more resin to leave your trim by pummling then loosening and repeating until no more is coming out. Might be worth a try next time bro and save yer £28.

Cheers Toke

 

[~Shhh~]

Cheers mate, I feel like I asked that before so excuse any repeat Qs I'll just blame it on the smoke and slide of silently

I've had my bags 4+ years and they're holding up well mate, sucks that you had it tear on you at that point. Ah well, frosty trim n all, probably end up smoking just fine, n I would be rather surprised if you could tell tbh.

Been proper busy with the hand watering of 80+ plants lol, fun times it aint when its hot in there, but the smoke from the harem I got should more than make it worth while

 

[killerweed31]

cheers buddy all your job is great job man, i like also the cookies , also me and my best friend indian guy we make cookies with charas when i go in parvaty valley ( hymachal pradesh-north india) bro,...keep up the good work!!

 

[Scrogerman]

Sounds interesting that way, MMmm, The Gumby method is another Bag free way ive used before but that way sounds more productive to start-Cool. Them Buds look impressive all hung up like that, Any incline on the approx yield man, its deceptive sometimes, when ya think youve done bad, it turns out the Buds are dense as & its double what ya thought, i love it when that happens, not very often but i hope its the case for ya man! Laters Buddy!
Peace.....Scroger!

You'll have to give us a step by step & brand name/micron(lol) size for the tights etc, on a rainy day when ya get a min of course!

 

[Tokesome]

Hey Shhh, I did tear the sack being a twat wielding a food blender, so cant blame the sack for that, I just dont think they`re as effective as they could be. Still, its better than throwing your trim away, lol. 80 plants, hand feeding, holy shit!!

Thanks Killer, what I`d give for some nice Charis over here.

Hey Scrogger, I haven`t forgotten about the other thing I pm`d you about, just been a bit busy the last few days as you can imagine. I hate estimating weights, I`d like to think I`d get at least mid 50`s-60, oz wise, but to be honest it doesn`t look like its going to do so well and may well only be in the 40`s, which will be disappointing.

It`s hard to tell tho mate as you say, can be deceiving, and I hope I`m pleasantly surprised, but I`m being quite realistic I think as I look at it. All the Arma fits comfortably into 2 10ltr food storage boxes. Its not ready for weighing out yet. Its not so far away though as the hot weather did dry it quickly and I had to box it to slow it down.

The Grapefruit and Big Bud will take a bit longer to dry as the weather has gone very damp and as result RH is high. I have a dehumidifier if necessary, but I doubt it`ll be needed.

The hash I made came in at 14+g, its really crumbly, I imagine it would be ideal for using with BHO to make some jelly hash. Otherwise I could warm id gently and press it.

Cheers for now, Toke.

 

[~Shhh~]

I am quietly confident you have a shit~load there mate, but I will wait for the official result to come in

I think it was when you remarked how many holes there were (or colas/buds) per sq/ft that I sat back and had to think about it for a sec... Sounded like yields would be good if all went well which by the looks of it things have.

 

[Tokesome]

Oh sh*t!!

Oh sh*t!!

Hey Shhh and guys, well I sorted all the Arma today and apart for a box with 2, maybe 2 `n a half oz that I`m slow curing it came to a fucking measely 15oz. I cant beleive how far out I`ve been with it. It looked like a shitload alright, but its shrunk up to next to fuck all. I cant complain about the quality, its astounding, but the yield really is shite.

I`m absolutely gutted and consider it a real disaster again and I just cant understand it, I`m doing the freaking tent grow almost and that produced 13 from 1 400w light in 1.2m2 and I get just 17-18 from 2.5m2 with 2 600w running up and down them on movers. I`ll know how the most recent tent grow compares yield wise in the next couple of days.Mine just doesn`t seem to have the density to them, even though when live on the plant they feel ultra dense, so disappointing, and I feel well fed up of growing at the moment.

I hope the Grapefruit has done a bit better per plant, only 4 of them though, and to be honest they along with the 3 runt Big buds I cant see making more than 12oz between them. Photo`s can be very deceiving eh guys?

I`ll let you know how the Gf and BB`s do. I`m not looking fwd to growing the Arma`s again next grow, but it must be something to do with my growing or environment as the Arma`s have proved themselves tp be producers in the grow tent. F**ked off doesn`t begin to describe how I feel right now.

Toke

 

[~Shhh~]

Wow, that's quite astounding man! Hard to believe that those lines shrunk down circa 17z's. Lets see how the grapefruit & BB's come back bro, maybe the arma's just shrink up like that?

 

[Tokesome]

Well at least as a consolation the Grapefruit have produced just over 4oz per plant and the bud is nice and dense. Unfortunately I only had 4 of them going so its another 13oz. The Big bud is laughable for 2 scrogged plants and one growing in the wings, its not quite dry yet but it`ll be slightly over 1oz I reckon, and I`ve got about another 1oz from the odd buds left on the plant, add all that to the 17oz Arma its just 32oz.

Bear in mind that this is from a space I`d expect 50-60oz from growing conventionally, this is a terrible result.

It cant be that the Arma doesn`t like being scrogged, it loves it in the tent, I`ll know the yield of the current tent scrog tmro. Something has affected the Arma`s badly, I`ll give the benefit of the doubt on the Big Bud as they were shitty cuts and never got going very well, but I`m sure the Grapefruit could have packed quite a lot more on in the ideal circumstances.

So what can be stopping the ideal circumstances here? That`s the question I`m having to face again.

If the next grow doesn`t improve significantly, I`m seriously considering moving house.

One thing that may still be an issue is the tap water at my place. The ec is the same as all houses I know around here, but my water without a shadow of a doubt gives issues to my plants. Cuttings in jiffy pots (worse in rockwool) are yellowing badly even before roots are showing with tap water, when using RO water they stay lush and green, the difference there is clear cut. vegging plants get deficiencies badly with just tap water as a base for my nutrients, though I still had some issues this last grow with just RO water for the base, mainly Mg, but I think that may have been me being too heavy handed with Calmax. So I then changed to 50/50 RO/tap water, ec 0.2.

I want to rule out the water by going with RO water again, but I need to find the right product for replacing the Cal Mg, as Calmax has Nitrogen too, which is, I think too much N when used with Canna A+B at ec1.2 during veg, and definitely not wanted during mid to late flower. Does anyone know of anything suitable, I`m sure there must be something to suit my needs here. I`m concerned that something may be polluting my water supply and this would answer this for sure.

I`m not convinced that the water is the problem here, but its one more thing I can control I figure.

Unfortunately, having planned to go with 15 Armageddon this next grow (They`re under a MH light already!), I`d given all but 5 Grapefruit away to friends in need, but I wish naow I had 15 Grapefruits to go with this run. The 5 GF`s I do have are rediculous as they`re about 2-3 feet tall but no substance, very, in fact totally leggy. I was only keeping them to take cuttings for a final mother selection, but now I need them in the centre row of the grow, so I have some serious training and manipulation to do to them, The Arma cut`s which have been kept back under a 70w HPS are only 3-4 inches tall. I figure I`m going to have big bushes in the middle, with lots of tying back to make bushier and to contain their stretch, whilst the ARma`s will flower a good deal shorter on the outside rows. This will at least give the Grapefruit some additional lighting to the sides.

I`m hoping I can resolve something that will improve the Arma`s performance, there has to be something I`m missing here as in the tent they`ve proved themselves.

I`ve decided definitely not to scrog this grow, I want to see if I can achieve the kind of results I`d normally expect from a conventional grow, along with the difference in size between the GF`s and the Arma`s. This way I`ll also be able to move individual plants about if necessary.

Any thoughts you may have on this would be appreciated guys, I`ve got to sort this out or I`m moving! I dont wanna move either, its pretty secure where I am, and break ins etc are (touch wood!) unlikely, but shit, somethings got to give, before I break. Thankfully I have a good holiday coming up, just as well its already paid for though, just fuel and food etc to cover.

Anyway, here we go again, I might start a new thread with a more appropriate title, or I may just carry on from here and change the title.

32 Freaking oz, its really crap, Ive got an improvement over the cheese grow, but not by much, I`ve got to notch it up some more this time some how.

Cheers for now, Toke

 

[Tokesome]

Ok, over my shitfit, on with the work in hand.

The tent grow only yielded 8oz, last time 13oz, so I`m assuming the extreme temps did affect the Armageddon badly, its either that or the strains genetics have taken a dive, lets hope not.

I`m just sorting my room out, removing the scrog screen for this grow, chop remaining stems and clean up, then remove the roots from the coco ready for re-use (I`ve never done this before).

I now have 15 Armageddon and 5 Grapefruit sat on one tray under a 400w MH on a light rail and they seem to be loving it. I`ll select the best 10 Arma`s out of the 15 I have now. The Grapefruit stretched like crazy in the heat in a cupboard under a 200 enviro light, 2-3 feet tall no bushyness whatsoever. I`m going to cut the main stem around 6inches above the pot to give them a fresh start under the MH light, it`ll slow them down for a couple of days and bring them more in line with the Arma`s. I hope to have them transplanted into 7ltr pots by the end of the week, or by the latest next Monday. They`ll remain in these until I`m back from holiday when I`ll transplant to the 14ltr buckets.

Its a shame I haven`t got more Grapefruits, the buds are lovely and the smoke is proving to be real top shelf stuff. Next grow I definitely aim to go with 15 Grapefruit.

This grow will consist of 10 Armageddon, 5 in each of the outside rows and 5 Grapefruit in the middle row, no scrog this time. I`ve got to try conventional again after recent results, I just have the feeling I`ll be able to read the plants a lot better growing the way I`ve been used to for en years. There is a chance I`ll scrog one row of Arma`s just to run a test between them during the same grow, this depends where they`re at by the time I`m back from holiday, whilst a mate looks after them.

Cheers Toke

 

[Scrogerman]

Unbelievable bro, my heart sinks for you. Someone aint nicked any have they, cause that did look like at least 45 minimum to me man! Oh well, what a fker bro, im really gutted for ya!
Dont know what to say. imo you did everything by the book & plant health was great. Cola numbers were good & not overdone, enviroment & feed sched was great too as far as we know, that doesnt leave many options, maybe it does have something to do with water but as they looked soo healthy i cant see it & surley you'd of seen something apart from yield to indicate this. Anyway buddy id be soggin on the next run, increase plant numbers & decrease veg/flower time, what more can you do! Best of Luck mate! Gutted for you man!
Peace.......Scroger!

 

[guanito]

nice job T!

++

 

[redspaghetti]

Wow i read through all 19 pages, and i must say you got some skills my friend, I love how that screen looks when filled up with buds,

When i look at your screen with buds, i expected to see 50 - 60 oz or more m8, what do you think went wrong ? is it the strains? I know big bud yield a tons ( hence the name )

I think you gotta try this again, because it looks so damn good man, but this time i suggest you do some defoliation, start em young and pluck em good, a lot of people get great result from it. Also when i look at your room i think you have the space to do something amazing there ( because when i read through all these pages, i saw your work and i believe you can do this )

Now Imagine you have 2 of those screen fill with buds instead of one ?

Instead of having one laying FLAT while the lights shining on to them, have 2 of those screen standing up til to an angle 45 degree or more, now your lights will have no hoods and hang bare ( vertically ) plants will be on the inside of the screen and veg up and out toward the lights.

Now we're talking about walls of buds. ( if you read the above and know what im talking about, which you do, i say you go for it man, and i believe you will double or triple your yields )

good luck m8

cheers,
red.

 

[Scrogerman]

Toke knows the crack on the Scroggin just fine Red. & he defoliates too. you gotta when your running ScrOG or your asking for mold issues, the bottom 1/3rd of the plant, thats everything from under the screen, which Toke did Red ole buddy! (he knows all that what youve said bro!) The Screen is huge & alot of work, its hard enough doing one Big monster Scrog like this, alot of Tucking & Binbags full of leaves removed from the lower 1/3rd under the screen. Taking on 2 or 3 this size would be a full time job of 14+ hours a day, half of that would be just tucking time lol. Id say its a success just a little shy on the yield, same as mine was really. It aint all that bad.
What your talking about there Red is called a BOG as apposed to ScrOG, aka Box-Of-Green or a V-Scrog you may mean-similar thing, & the tec is well documented, although i aint seen one done for ages.
I was just gonna sugest maybe a Vert or something similar to what Heath Robinson does, his yields are incredible, if you can believe them, he has gotton over 2gpw with his stadium Vert Grows, they look quite simple to set up & id love to have a crack at one of his style grows myself, maybe some variations to make it a Scrogger Vert using my Bubbleflow Tecnique, which has alot of similarities to Heath's stadiums, i do like his grows they totally kick ass, fair play. Sorry Red but i dont think Toke's on for running 2 or 3 monster Scrog's, they are a hella of alot of work dude! No offence, i dont think he's very happy atm, i remember the feeling after my weigh in- & my Grow buddy scanked a load of our buds(stole them), i didnt mind really it was his house anyway so what can you say, he cant really steal his own Buds, but he was decieptfull & lied about it, so ill never grow with him again, hope your reading Man! lol! who cares!
Anyway Toke do you fancy doing a Vert, similar to one of Heath's. Now if that dont yield massive for ya i dont think anything would. laters Brotha!
Peace......Scrogs!