No i dont drink alcohol so theres no reason for me to buy any. I just blaze and chill out with my friends some who are 19 and 20 years old. Would hate to think that i could face up to 6 months in prison for doing so.
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Growers are just saying NO to pot legalization
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No i dont drink alcohol so theres no reason for me to buy any. I just blaze and chill out with my friends some who are 19 and 20 years old. Would hate to think that i could face up to 6 months in prison for doing so.
White-rhino
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White-Rhino -- dont know how to quote 2 diff post so i c&p'd it.
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bootleg cig's were stolen so the thief who sells them to you has no $ invested in his product, just a little time and some risk.
you obviously have no clue on how a free market and capitalism works. how would the price increase when a legal Cannabis farmers can grow 10 of thousands of plants w/o fear of jail time.
I had to separate this part of your post b/c its contradictory and makes no sense.
"[FONT="]So legalized weed might cause the price to increase to just below the legal price"[/FONT]
if "legal price" is the current market price in MMJ states then i can see what your saying but i disagree that $400 oz is where the end Oz price will be once a farmer growing 10,000+ plants legally enters the market.
if your right then you better start growing your own produce b/c farmers will quit growing their govt subsidized crop and grow the $400 oz product you speak of.
I'm speaking of cigarettes that are sold avoiding all taxes. Namely smuggled cigarettes from overseas, and indian reservation cigarettes. I doubt much of the market is actually "stolen" product.
On the rest of your statement - we're talking tax avoidance. The tax on any legal weed would be HUGE. Ten times the cost to produce the product - just like with cigarettes. And that would affect the price. For a large corporation to come in and do it legally, and pay all of the taxes involved, and have to compete with millions of growers who grow and sell and pay no tax, I find it highly unlikely it will harm growers much, if at all. The taxes would prop up the price, just like it does with cigarettes.
And the tax avoidance is where the money would be made. Quite a different market from produce which may or may not be subsidized, and almost (if not completely) untaxed.
If passing this new legislation is a threat to medical mj, how can you be sure that something else won't threaten medical mj without this? An argument could be made that legalization and regulation for non-medical use will likely STRENGTHEN medical protection.
I almost understand where you guys are coming from... but I just don't think you're thinking very clearly on the issue.
(Or you are using these things as red herrings to avoid having to admit that you're only fighting to keep from losing a relatively easy, highly profitable lifestyle.)
no, i was the fat kid kicking everyone's asses, ive since changed though.......
im just saying, i tried to give away seeds and within 1 minute a mod told me i could not.
cant i get treated the same as anyone else? apparently not......
i am sending them to seedbay for freebee's though.....
white fire / roadkill skunk
mosca's tsi fly / roadkill skunk
joe shmoe's casey jones / roadkill skunk
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Sam,
I don't want your seeds but here is the most honest answer you are going to get.
I don't want marijuana legalized in California because....
"marijuana is how pay my bills (and then some) and i don't know what tc2010 is going to mean for my lively-hood."
that's it. I sure as fuck wouldn't want mj legalized if that's all i did for a living.
Plain and Simple as dollars and cents.
Now - No one misquote me. #1 I am voting yes. ...b/c its the right thing to do. BUT, i don't grow for a living and i don't have anything against people that do. I am voting yes for my own selfish reasons. My interests are for moving the politics of this issue forward and for eventual federal legalization.
And i will say one more thing... FOR ALL OF YOU VOTING NO.
If this does not pass that pendulum is going to be swinging right back in the other direction and who do you think its going to hit??
I don't want your seeds but here is the most honest answer you are going to get.
I don't want marijuana legalized in California because....
"marijuana is how pay my bills (and then some) and i don't know what tc2010 is going to mean for my lively-hood."
that's it. I sure as fuck wouldn't want mj legalized if that's all i did for a living.
Plain and Simple as dollars and cents.
Now - No one misquote me. #1 I am voting yes. ...b/c its the right thing to do. BUT, i don't grow for a living and i don't have anything against people that do. I am voting yes for my own selfish reasons. My interests are for moving the politics of this issue forward and for eventual federal legalization.
And i will say one more thing... FOR ALL OF YOU VOTING NO.
If this does not pass that pendulum is going to be swinging right back in the other direction and who do you think its going to hit??
^The only excuse i could think of that would make a person vote no are short term. meaning after this bill passes all their worries will be solved in time. plus they wont have to worry about jail. plus they can have a legit brand with their own faces on the jar of bud, or gum drop of hash wrapped in fancy foil.
Am I understanding you right you want all all laws on Cannabis removed? Because the government has no right to impose law on Marijuana? Does that include 215 and 420?
Watch out, all the growers that don't want Prop 19, but do want 215 & 420 might hunt you down and get you.
-SamS
So far there are two honest answers that I will chose from, unless I get more people giving their reasons to vote NO on Prop 19.
"marijuana is how pay my bills (and then some) and i don't know what tc2010 is going to mean for my lively-hood."
"If i pass a joint to my 20 year old friend i would go to jail for 6 months and have to pay a fine!"
(a bit stupid because if you pass a beer it is the same, illegal)
Reminds me of the joke,
The city outlawed convicted pedophiles from selling ice cream from trucks, to protect the kids.
But the kids all complained, where are we going to get free ice cream?
Come on people, lets hear more reasons to vote NO.....
krunchbubble,
So now you are a seed breeder also?
Are they made by you?
I would not grow anyones seeds that did not want Cannabis legalized.
I would boycott any business or person that says to vote NO on Prop 19.
Maybe then they might re-think their position and vote yes, but I doubt it.
But I refuse to support the NO voters, in any way.
They can sell their medical Cannabis to the rest of the NO voters.
Oops, most of the NO voters are LEO's and Prohibitionists, not such a big market, hey?
Oh well....
Anyone else think a boycott of NO business's is a good idea? I like it.
-SamS
"marijuana is how pay my bills (and then some) and i don't know what tc2010 is going to mean for my lively-hood."
"If i pass a joint to my 20 year old friend i would go to jail for 6 months and have to pay a fine!"
(a bit stupid because if you pass a beer it is the same, illegal)
Reminds me of the joke,
The city outlawed convicted pedophiles from selling ice cream from trucks, to protect the kids.
But the kids all complained, where are we going to get free ice cream?
Come on people, lets hear more reasons to vote NO.....
krunchbubble,
So now you are a seed breeder also?
Are they made by you?
I would not grow anyones seeds that did not want Cannabis legalized.
I would boycott any business or person that says to vote NO on Prop 19.
Maybe then they might re-think their position and vote yes, but I doubt it.
But I refuse to support the NO voters, in any way.
They can sell their medical Cannabis to the rest of the NO voters.
Oops, most of the NO voters are LEO's and Prohibitionists, not such a big market, hey?
Oh well....
Anyone else think a boycott of NO business's is a good idea? I like it.
-SamS
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cannaboy
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Krunch between you and lazyman your pips and clones are not good neither are your attitudes I want to get a holiday come and KIll your op boath you little pissy shitty fucks. If the bill passes I'll pay for you to get shut down.. try pick on sam again you child..
cannaboy
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You can send pips to the server fund if you cleaver enough to talk properly about things on this site..
But I want nothing to do with your selffish monationus life,,
The people that are under the age limit are the people krunch supplys to.. me thinks
He's ripping them off instead of stealing lunch money,,, LOOSER!!!!!
cannaboy
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I think you are talking about the league of nations and in the particular manner in which the egyptian spokesperson ruled that a worldwide ban on hashasies should be imposed this was at a meeting to disguss the opium trade that china started on the way to building the railroads..
If this silly shit happened once then It can happen again,,
People are more informed nowerdays that ever and you can't pull the wool over peoples eyes anymore..
Oakland people get ready for a shitstorm..
I try not to judge people motivations if I can avoid it.
But I do judge their actions and voting NO on Prop 19 is wrong for so many reasons.
Reason #1- Look at who is voting NO besides some of the growers for what ever reason.
LEO's and Prohibitionists, great people to be agreeing with. Are you crazy?
-SamS
But I do judge their actions and voting NO on Prop 19 is wrong for so many reasons.
Reason #1- Look at who is voting NO besides some of the growers for what ever reason.
LEO's and Prohibitionists, great people to be agreeing with. Are you crazy?
-SamS
BigBudBill
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Wow......Kill is a pretty strong word. I really dont think that this conversation needs to go this direction. Can't we have a discussion on a serious topic without violence being brought into it?
Also, I think that we should put the appropriate weight to the answers of people who can't/aren't going to vote in CA on prop 19.
cannaboy
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my appoligies for being off topic It is just a example of how people will feel IMHO when something that they feel strongly about is overlooked people will consider the alternatives look at all the 3rd world places and see the quality of life.. and how extremists excersize their rights look at Ireland ,,, the grow shops just got stut down!!!!!!!
never said i was a breeder, accidental pollination produced these seeds.
instead of me throwing the plants away, i grew them out to give away to people on here......
feel free to do whatever you want, if you thinking that boycotting any NO voters will have any kind of impact........ i could give the slightest shit
G
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i doubt you ask where your bootleg cigs come from. come on, smuggle cigs from overseas. are you serious? do you really think someone's going to be able to smuggle Legally Bought cigs into the USA and then going to be able to sell them cheaper than the store at $5-8 per pack. so are they smuggling a 20' container into the USA b/c i can tell you that from Import expierence that its not cheap to ship a container or partial container and pass customs. Customs CANT check every container entering the Port of LA so illegal goods DO make it into the USA but piggy-backing illegal goods in a container of Legal goods makes it hardly worth the effort b/c smuggling 20-50 cases of cigs isnt profitable unless they were STOLEN in the country of origin.
Sam if you want to have a contest let us know and we'll handle it the way we do any other contest.
G
Guest 88950
ok, IF prop19 doesnt pass the grey area remains but does anyone see that the ease that Dr's issue Medical Recomendations may be at jeporady?
the DEA puts pressure on doctors that write too many prescriptions for drugs like Oxycontin so whos to say that they wont pressure Cali lawmakers to reevaluate the ease with which they issue Recomendations of Cannabis. if they clamp down on issuing the Med Rec then ALOT of those hiding behind a medical excuse may no longer qualify for Medical Cannabis.
i bet if this occured then those left out in the cold would be begging for Mr Lee's legalization bill.
the DEA puts pressure on doctors that write too many prescriptions for drugs like Oxycontin so whos to say that they wont pressure Cali lawmakers to reevaluate the ease with which they issue Recomendations of Cannabis. if they clamp down on issuing the Med Rec then ALOT of those hiding behind a medical excuse may no longer qualify for Medical Cannabis.
i bet if this occured then those left out in the cold would be begging for Mr Lee's legalization bill.
Hey wassup SAM. Not trying to win any contests or free beans. I make my own beans and have plenty of them. Count me out of the contest bro I was just letting people know how i feel about this flawed BILL. Nice idea for a contest though!
cannaboy
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Look what happens when you push the bully into the corner he will cry mom and rat on you its been proven that there loosers of genetics this krunch dude has a thread on genetic drift on 1 of his beloved strains.. Soon as it was out performed/desise ridden from lack of growable knowledge IMHO these cats get on the next band waggon and its sad really.. I don't want to let these genetics he's on about get into the mainstream,,, but let him get caught with them in the USA,,
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