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Carrying Water Guerrilla Style (idea)
- Thread starter Mountaineer
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Mountaineer
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Sounds like an interesting idea. Pix later?
first off, Nice pack setup. hope it holds up well for ya.
Youmight want to add some sort of hip padding. I'd pad the lower edge closest to you and the bottom with some rubber or other material. This padding would hopefully cushion impacts on your ankles and legs when you're gettin through thick brush. just a thought.
if your brush includes thorny plants, a solid sided container seems like a better idea again. thorns will often poke into bags and clothes, and could end up ripping or weakening a soft shell container.
I have been thinking about turning a drybag inside out and putting it into a large volume external frame pack.
sounds like you were talking about the 2.2cu ft peat bales before when you mentioned the 56L bales. Those might feel like 100lbs, definitely with 2 of them you're hittin over that 100, but i'm pretty sure the 3.5cu ft bales wigh roughly 80 pounds. i've carried quite a few and they're no fun to haul miles around.
This is one thing I love about guerilla growing, it sometimes pushes us to do some crazy stuff no one else would really even consider doing.
Youmight want to add some sort of hip padding. I'd pad the lower edge closest to you and the bottom with some rubber or other material. This padding would hopefully cushion impacts on your ankles and legs when you're gettin through thick brush. just a thought.
if your brush includes thorny plants, a solid sided container seems like a better idea again. thorns will often poke into bags and clothes, and could end up ripping or weakening a soft shell container.
I have been thinking about turning a drybag inside out and putting it into a large volume external frame pack.
sounds like you were talking about the 2.2cu ft peat bales before when you mentioned the 56L bales. Those might feel like 100lbs, definitely with 2 of them you're hittin over that 100, but i'm pretty sure the 3.5cu ft bales wigh roughly 80 pounds. i've carried quite a few and they're no fun to haul miles around.
This is one thing I love about guerilla growing, it sometimes pushes us to do some crazy stuff no one else would really even consider doing.
id make a rainwater collector, sod carrying all that water :/
roughnice420
Active member
coleman solar shower is what you want. flexible, good nozzle, 5 gal cap. take 2.
mix water crystals into your soil. works wonders. leave em for a couple weeks...
mix water crystals into your soil. works wonders. leave em for a couple weeks...
Just back from helping a friend put in 250M of pipe to avoid a lot of this work and what ICs late great Silverback termed "The dreaded path" .. dry country shows footprints from just one visit, carrying a lot of water makes your footprints even more noticeable. Using an irrigation system with Dry Cell 12v batteries and electric pumps [quieter and seem to have a better lift than petrol ones] can save a lot of work and keep your grow safer and more secure.
Best of luck mate.
Best of luck mate.
I've done this before, and it works quite well.
Pow3rBall
Member
Did you ever consider making aqua globe type things with 2litre bottles? i think ima put about 4 around each plant. or drill a tiny hole in the bottom of a 5 gal bucket, fill w/ water and set it at the base this might work too. i think doing either of these, and doing the perilite and mulch thing, and you wouldnt have to worry about water for the whole season.
Mountaineer
Member
I had thought about making water collectors, making a small pond and lining with plastic,
even the aqua globe things, but LEO does fly right over the spot every single year.
A new pond, or anything reflective up there, would be a for sure reason for them to
hike in and inspect the location.
I'm going to have to rough it by packing the water in on my back.
The mile to water source will be much easier than 5 miles with water on my back.
There are plenty of big flat rocks to walk to and from water source, so no worries
about leaving a path here. The only real worry about a path is bringing in amendments,
but it will grow over before anything goes in the ground.
even the aqua globe things, but LEO does fly right over the spot every single year.
A new pond, or anything reflective up there, would be a for sure reason for them to
hike in and inspect the location.
I'm going to have to rough it by packing the water in on my back.
The mile to water source will be much easier than 5 miles with water on my back.
There are plenty of big flat rocks to walk to and from water source, so no worries
about leaving a path here. The only real worry about a path is bringing in amendments,
but it will grow over before anything goes in the ground.
Mountaineer
Member
Good idea, But.. I have to get the water 1 mile up a grade and then
about 150 ft up a cliff. I don't know of a pump that can do this job.
Still, this is a good idea that will help some growers.
Mountaineer
Member
The pack seems to hold up well enough, but I haven't actually
tested its ruggedness as far as raising and lowering it up the
cliff. I think I will go with dubwise's suggestion of using some
webbing to raise the pack, as I'm not too sure the pack is going
to withstand being raised by rope hooked to the straps.
Otherwise it seems to be sturdy and durable enough to
carry the water.
We seem to be getting plenty of rain this year.
I'm just about afraid the plants are going to drown
before I get the chance to use the pack.
tested its ruggedness as far as raising and lowering it up the
cliff. I think I will go with dubwise's suggestion of using some
webbing to raise the pack, as I'm not too sure the pack is going
to withstand being raised by rope hooked to the straps.
Otherwise it seems to be sturdy and durable enough to
carry the water.
We seem to be getting plenty of rain this year.
I'm just about afraid the plants are going to drown
before I get the chance to use the pack.
Mountaineer
Member
The +100 pounds feels more like +250 pounds in this 100 F weather
but the pack is holding up very well.
I use webbing/netting attached to a rope to raise/lower the pack.
The trick to the weight issues is to fill the pack and hike it to your
spot from the water source and just leave it (them) well hidden
until you need to water.
No way I could carry this thing a mile, climb 150 foot, and then raise
it up the cliff with a rope. Just too much in 100 F temps.
So stash in advance, raise & water, then refill and carry back and stash
for the next time works out much better.
but the pack is holding up very well.
I use webbing/netting attached to a rope to raise/lower the pack.
The trick to the weight issues is to fill the pack and hike it to your
spot from the water source and just leave it (them) well hidden
until you need to water.
No way I could carry this thing a mile, climb 150 foot, and then raise
it up the cliff with a rope. Just too much in 100 F temps.
So stash in advance, raise & water, then refill and carry back and stash
for the next time works out much better.
TLoft13
Member
You know you could always dehydrate the water to make it a lightweight concentrate. This way you could carry more and just rehydrate it on the spot!
Greets,
TLoft13
Hey mountaineer. I like TLoft13's idea.
I have to carry water forever too. Just a little tip.
If you know anyone that works at a mcdonalds or resturaunt of any kind, the bladders that milk shake concentrate/ choclate milk and other stuff comes in makes great water bladders. I have a belt that carries 2, one on each side and 2 on my back. That comes to about 10 gallons and is all that i can carry, but those bags make it easy. They have a screw on top and are durable as hell.
I have to carry water forever too. Just a little tip.
If you know anyone that works at a mcdonalds or resturaunt of any kind, the bladders that milk shake concentrate/ choclate milk and other stuff comes in makes great water bladders. I have a belt that carries 2, one on each side and 2 on my back. That comes to about 10 gallons and is all that i can carry, but those bags make it easy. They have a screw on top and are durable as hell.
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el Dream Reader
I once did a grow using milk jugs (the screw cap type) I had two in a backpack and two in each hand, I would hold them in my hands facing behind me (if that makes sense) I didn't have to walk nearly as far as you though. I like the soft pack approach for a backpack. Be sure to have plenty of drinking water for yourself, you don't want to have to drink stream water. Good luck with a hefty harvest.
Your best bet is the water bladder , more comfortable as they are not rigid so your back gets a bit of comfort . Wish you well , you deserve some prime bud .
http://www.swisslink.com/products/camping_outdoor/swiss_5_gallon_water_bladder-3-1226/
Stay green .
http://www.swisslink.com/products/camping_outdoor/swiss_5_gallon_water_bladder-3-1226/
Stay green .
darby crash
Member
Those are the soda bags you are referring to. The milk shake bags have a push on top, those are good to leave for storage on site. Camoed or hidden of course.
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argoagro
I got a chuckle out of this, nothing worse than carrying tons of nasty water that you wouldn't want to drink & having none for yourself...... that was me last night.
You guys need an atv of some sorts, drop off in car, get out of there, come back later on atv and get it moved, just do alot and then you won't have to lug suspicious backpacks around during the dry spell.
Mountaineer
Member
Sorry about taking so long to reply.
Yea an ATV would be useful and this would be the perfect solution
for some who already have atv trails and/or gravel/dirt roads in
a reasonable distance of their grow.
Unfortunately an ATV trail in this particular area would stick out
like a sore thumb, and there are NO roads within a mile of any
given direction. The only access is over and under downed trees,
through dense brier, brush and vines... up hill most of the way
before a final 150 ft climb. (and I do this by moonlight)
There is an initial 5 mile hike to the spot and (at least) an
additional 1 mile to the nearest source of water.
So its a Hike, Climb, Raise Water Tank, Water, Rest...
Lower tank, Make hike to refill it, Stash Tank, Rest & hike out.
I always carry a canteen of water, argoagro.
Now a boat would cut some miles off from the hike, and access
from the water side of the spot isn't so difficult... but i would
have a trail from where I tied the boat leading up the bank to
where I refill my tank. Could end up being a bad security breech.
I have been tossing a bucket in and pulling it out with a rope
to avoid making such a trail when refilling the tank.
If I sound overly paranoid, keep in mind that I have a 100%
Sativa strain going and it will be late October/early to mid November (hopefully no later) before it finishes.
Will be hand pollinating 2 of the girls for seed.
Every single little disturbance made to the area increases my
chances of running into a Forest Ranger with a big o bag of
pollen in my pocket, and it's real close to time to pollinate,
meaning that I will be carrying that pollen with me on every
single visit over the next few weeks.
It really would have been easier to leave a male in the bunch
but I want some decent smoke out of this.
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Nick Sand
I haven't read the whole thread so I apologize if I am touching on anything that has already been mentioned. I used to fill up those portable shower bags made by Coleman and backpack them into my plots. I don't rememeber how many gallons fit into it but it helped me get through a couple harsh seasons. There was room left over in my big ass back pack so I would pile in some Camelbak bladders and plastic bottles for extra water. It was a heavy load so don't strain yourself.
