feeding synthetic nuts in organic soil.

[CT Guy]

Dude, nitrogen is nitrogen is nitrogen, this is just in the form of mineral salts which do occur naturally, just not concentrated like in a bottle.

Nitrogen comes in many different forms and some plants will grow better with nitrogen in the form of nitrates and some in the form of ammonium.

 

[ngen]

Nitrogen comes in many different forms and some plants will grow better with nitrogen in the form of nitrates and some in the form of ammonium.

Do you mean, certain canna plants, or different genera (i assume genera)?

Ventrua and gd00d, their is a gentlemen on here with an avatar of professor fink, i'm not sure in which subforum it is, but he is discussing his implementing organic methods such as AACT's, humic acid, while still feeding with chems. Trying to do it in a way where the micro-herd still manages, i can't find the thread, but will bump when i do. But it is exactly the thing you are looking for, and pretty interesting science wise.

 

[venturablaze]

you said it better then me, thats exactly what im intrested in.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Could some of the smarter posters please explain how a negative charged ion (like NO3-) can be assimilated by the negative charge (Cation Exchange Capacity paradigm) found in organic soils, clays, etc.

I learned in the 1st grade that a negative will repel another negative but will attach/bond with positive charged end of a magnet.

Did they change another scientific truth for growing cannabis?

Just curious as usual.

CC

 

[Zendo]

Could some of the smarter posters please explain how a negative charged ion (like NO3-) can be assimilated by the negative charge (Cation Exchange Capacity paradigm) found in organic soils, clays, etc.

I learned in the 1st grade that a negative will repel another negative but will attach/bond with positive charged end of a magnet.

Did they change another scientific truth for growing cannabis?

Just curious as usual.

CC

We missed you CC..

 

[ngen]

Could some of the smarter posters please explain how a negative charged ion (like NO3-) can be assimilated by the negative charge (Cation Exchange Capacity paradigm) found in organic soils, clays, etc.

I learned in the 1st grade that a negative will repel another negative but will attach/bond with positive charged end of a magnet.

Did they change another scientific truth for growing cannabis?

Just curious as usual.

CC

You've had growing on your mind since first grade? Guess that explains why you know so much

But seriously, i think i stumbled upon your answer when i was looking for mine.
As you know the cations Ca2+, Mg2+, (for example) bind with the anion receptor sites creating adsorption. Ammonium nitrite can also bind since it is a cation. However, once it is transformed into nitrate (No3-) it actually cannot bind with the clay particles.

So how does a nutrient that needs to be uptaken by a plant get there if it cannot bind itself to humus particles? As you also know due to clays miniscule size it is better at retaining water than sand or loam, it also creates tiny air and water pockets. The nitrate becomes soluble in the water after breaking down, and using capillary action stays up in the soil, except for that which gets leached down and away.

So essentially it just chills on a particle in equilibrium. that seems to be what is happening in that phase of the nitrogen cycle.

Ventura, found it!: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=165789

 

[Japanfreakier]

lol, won't kill your soil and it's not synthetic or unnatural. Please people, stop making stuff up.

 

[guest2012y]

Ya you guys...Jeeez...it's not synthetic it's natural,and it won't kill the "soil"..... STOP MAKING STUFF UP DAMMIT!!!

 

[Biatchzxz]

I know there's a of Bio-organic nutrients as well for ex. Cash crop stuff. What bout stuff like that. That is organic based. But maybe not organic fully cuz of let's say because of a chelate. How would that affect the whole shabang and all. Just curious to be honest. Is it worth adding it. I mean I got some of the stuff on top of a ton of other stuff so wanted to get this science of organic'ness down. I feel as if. I've been there when u work so hard and end up with a shitty overall product do to greed of trying to get The Biggest nugs ever. But no matter how big they are. If they taste and smoke like shit. It's worthless. So i've learned that lesson and will never go nuts with nutes again. Keeping it simple def helps . So these days I'm leaning towards going 100% organic. I just really been addicted to the science of microbiology lately. It's nuts man. Hey. Is it possible to OD a soil with mycos etc. Like adding to much of anything I'm sure isn't gonna be good. But just curious about it

 

[venturablaze]

organics best.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

You've had growing on your mind since first grade? Guess that explains why you know so much

But seriously, i think i stumbled upon your answer when i was looking for mine.
As you know the cations Ca2+, Mg2+, (for example) bind with the anion receptor sites creating adsorption. Ammonium nitrite can also bind since it is a cation. However, once it is transformed into nitrate (No3-) it actually cannot bind with the clay particles.

So how does a nutrient that needs to be uptaken by a plant get there if it cannot bind itself to humus particles? As you also know due to clays miniscule size it is better at retaining water than sand or loam, it also creates tiny air and water pockets. The nitrate becomes soluble in the water after breaking down, and using capillary action stays up in the soil, except for that which gets leached down and away.

So essentially it just chills on a particle in equilibrium. that seems to be what is happening in that phase of the nitrogen cycle.

ngen

First I wanted to thank you for providing a scientific answer to my query. I have to admit that my knowledge of anions is pretty lacking.

Your post did give me a reason to look into your post very seriously. I need a few hours to digest it and compare it with other sources - not that I'm challenging your post or the science contained there. I simply want to compare that information with a couple of other sources.

Providing good information challenging conventional wisdom is the purpose of this board, eh?

Thanks again - thinking about things is always good.

Peace.

CC

 

[venturablaze]

im going mostly organic to try and better the taste of my herb. Ive got earth juice as a base. Im still going to ad big bud and kushie kush to a couple of plants, to see if it makes a difference in taste. Most of em im just adding the ej, some mollases, and a little fulvic acid though.

 

[h.h.]

Potassium will effect microbes. Using the H&G line of nutes which are not claimed to be organic, they recommend inoculating your soil with Great White. Once you use their flowering product , they recommend you throw it away. Again it is potassium, which is also used in canned goods to counteract bacteria, that builds up.
Works for me. A good micro life while I need it to make N available. Put them to sleep with K when I don't need N. Just don't go overboard if you plan on reusing the soil.

 

[venturablaze]

is great white a good source of benneficial bacteria? i almost bought some, but wasn't sure if it was worth it.

 

[Zendo]

is great white a good source of benneficial bacteria? i almost bought some, but wasn't sure if it was worth it.

Great question..glad you asked..

It's a rip off. Overpriced doesn't even begin to describe..


http://www.mycorrhizae.com/ is a good place to start..It's probably where the great white people source theirs from like others like Roots Organics "Oregonism"..which is probably half the cost, or less.

avoid sharks/piranhas/tirantulas and all the other silly products with the shiny labels..Unless you like paying that much to look at shiny labels.

 

[Biatchzxz]

Ive been using myco madness. Cobra and Oregonism. Since I got some samples of some. N I got a small thing of piranha I got from the shop when I got some other stuff. Now that's a bunch of Myco. Shit. They prolly jamming out like woodstock in there n shit

 

[h.h.]

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. What's wrong with fancy labels?
It's a matter of convenience as well as covering one's bases. I use several things to inoculate my soil. Down and dead yucca is one of my favorites. Bug eaten stuff. Bury a third full jar of molasses in an ant-hole neck deep and let it set for a week. Collect some ants in it. You'll start getting that fresh lacto smell. I'll add a little great white and a little compost water close to the top, shake it up every day and let it multiply. Get the most for my money..It ph's out at 4.7 so about a teaspoon will bring a gallon of water down to 6.8.

 

[venturablaze]

great idea, it makes more sense to try and make a tea, to improve the soil.

 

[Nationwide]

I have read this entire thread and saying thanks for everyones input. Good discussion here....seings how I am useing soil with gh flora series and just picked up some oregonism....shit...now what...

I am just starting another cycle and have not added any nutes yet. Mabey I will try organic durring veg. I have my soil in a trashcan mixed up 2 months ago. Fox farms OF , roots organic and sunshine mix #4 all equal parts. Im thinking I will add some oregonism to the trashcan and mix it in and water it some then when I transplant my clones into 3 gallon pots the soil will be good quality.

Nationwide