Can't we all just get along!!!

[Japanfreakier]

Your suggesting a burden on society bigger than the one we are looking at presently... that just seems absurd to me.

The burden is called the drug war, so yeah, I'm calling for an end to the drug war.

I also call for a realistic approach to drug education and treatment.

They have really done a number on you if you honestly believe that the world is going to start selling their babies for crack if it wasn't for the laws.

Freedom is a scary thing it seems these days.

 

[bentom187]

http://www.thecalifornian.com/artic...nas-couple-try-to-sell-baby-at-Walmart-for-25

it says ther're addicts,not a far cry to figure out what drug their on.

 

[bentom187]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LZGRKiAViI

 

[MarquisBlack]

Lol.. Crack. What a hyped up bullshit drug. People like to act like if you take a perfectly healthy and well-adjusted human and give them a hit of rock, they immediately start some downward spiral toward self-destruction. It's easier to think that is true, lest we judge the people who go down those spirals, as we would ourselves.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I don't think that people are going to sell their babies for crack.

I know that cracked out mothers have put their babies in the microwave to get them to stop crying.

The problem I was referring to is the one that happens inside families and destroys friendships as well as lives.

Freedom as some would refer to it is indeed scary.

 

[Japanfreakier]

That's happening now with it being illegal, the questions is how to deal with it, in the open with education and treatment or by treating a health issue like a criminal one.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Education and treatment already exist... they're doing as much good as locking people up.

 

[SpasticGramps]

The argument for keeping some drugs legal and others illegal (ie arguing for prohibition) seems to appeal to emotions rather than logic.

Babies in micorwaves is a bad thing. So is criminalization people with a disease (drug addiction). The social costs of over time for locking drug offenders and prohibition far outweigh the costs of letting people make their own decision of what they put into their body IMO.

And you don't have to have crack at 7-11. There could be dispensaries for everything. For example, you have to go pick your hard drugs up at the rehab center or from your doctor.

The Drug War corrupts society to the core. Look at Mexico. It's becoming a Nacro-Terrorist State.

 

[Noobian]

Why do you say that?

 

[bentom187]

i respect everyones opinion, but i think reality is crack/meth/pcp/heroin/cocaine the people who do that shit arnt rational people.they want to die and they dont think straight mabey we can offer treatment and halfway houses ect.. but i dont know any addict that whent voulentarily,and when they do they're stuck where they where in middle school so most cant get a job that pays well enough and do other neferious activities to make ends meet. i dont know about anyone here i dont have kids but the idea that my children may be around that type of stuff or think its ok to do, is beyond me its not a spiritual journey its not any type of life enhancing drug,i dont see a reason for them except death,im not being dramatic just look at the people in the vid they still dont give a shit after prison stays and gettin the shit beat out of him.mabey people just dont want to seem hypocritical i dont know, i know i just dont want that stuff around me.

 

[Cookie monster]

Why do you say that?

No reason other than I feel that hard drugs have no place in society or on a canna forum, personal opinion.

 

[SpasticGramps]

i respect everyones opinion, but i think reality is crack/meth/pcp/heroin/cocaine the people who do that shit arnt rational people.

I understand what you are saying, but there are casual users of every drug including those you mentioned.

Not every person who does coke is a raging coke head. I've personally tried most of those and they did fuck up my life for a bit. I never want to see them again nor would I want to hang around anyone who is using them. They are poison, but so is Oxycotin. I also believe that just because I can't stand them doesn't mean I have the right to tell the next person that they can't put it in their body.

 

[bentom187]

well done not everyone has that much will power,
im dont want to tell anyone anything, my one wish is people not start in the first place,and if you guys are for freedom to use it all, but use prevention and treatment for a tactic are we paying for 2 more social programs and jail for the people who just dont get it? and on the same note does this stop with these drug users,do we have the right to tell people not to kill,or rob,while under the influence or not under the influence either way?
I'm pretty sure our freedoms are very limited anyway look up law of the land vs. law of the sea.It basicly says your on a ship and you cant go ape shit and drill holes everywhere cause you feel like it,cause you endanger the whole ship. how do they get away with this,cause they define the usa as a vessel.
and i have neumerous personal experiences,with relitives and friends,i have one person who was doin good early in life his moms is a bad addict and then he started,now hes doing at least 5-10 yrs and wont be gettin out anytime soon cause he keeps getting caught with dope he just cant stop.and a few close relitives of mine would still be alive if not for those type of drugs even alcahol.

 

[Japanfreakier]

Education and treatment already exist... they're doing as much good as locking people up.

Today's education is akin to teaching abstinence and hoping rednecks don't get knocked up. I said a realistic approach...get it?

 

[Japanfreakier]

i respect everyones opinion, but i think reality is crack/meth/pcp/heroin/cocaine the people who do that shit arnt rational people.

Once again, I know plenty of successful people who don't fit into the stereotypes of people who use hard drugs.

 

[Japanfreakier]

well done not everyone has that much will power,

A lot more do than you give them credit for...a lot more. You're only seeing the addicts who cause problems. That's kind of like seeing alcoholic homeless guys and saying that people who drink beer aren't rational.

 

[Danks2005]

All drugs should be legal.

Let me ask you naysayer this. If heroin were legal tomorrow, would you go shoot up because it's legal? I know I wouldn't. The people with shit lives resorting to hard drugs now, would be the same people that resort to them if they were legal. The only difference is that all the money wouldn't go to organized crime. The U.S. would not only save $20billion they already spend on the drug war. But they would also bring in massive amounts of tax revenue. Which in turn, could be used for proper drug treatment for those who seek it. Also, it would reduce the massive profits to drug cartels, who now due to rediculous profits, run their governments through coruption and violence.
Look at Amsterdam, where heroin users can go to a clinic, have their drug tested, receive a clean needle, have immediate medical attention should they overdose, and have immediate access to counseling.

Turning a social problem into a justice problem is not a good idea. Period.

All human beings should have the freedom to make their own personal choices, good ones, and bad ones.

Also, saying drugs shouldn't be legal because you don't want people driving around on them is just bad logic. That is like saying alcohol should be illegal for all, because SOME make bad choices and drive drunk.

 

[bentom187]

yes its what i see through experience,its what i base my opinions on. not to many successful crackheads around,and if they are,well ,i bet the're arnt using anymore or regret their decisions.

 

[Japanfreakier]

Nothing wrong with regret, we should welcome a world where we are allowed to make bad decisions and just regret them, instead of being thrown into jail.

No harm to others or their property no crime.

 

[Danks2005]

There are successful crack/cocaine addicts, they are just better at hiding it and don't have financial trouble. Don't kid yourself, just cause you've only experienced down and out junkies. I know a guy who is white collar, shoots cocaine, and you would never know it. I've personally never done any hard drugs. Just alcohol and MJ. Now only MJ, haven't drank in many a years.