Is is me or do some growers in Cali actually not want pot legalised??

[binaryfission]

so are you abusing the med system if you use marijuana as medicine for a non-government approved medical condition? Who are we to decide at all if anyone eeds anything? If you want to eat morphine all day do it. If you want to be gluten free, do it. if you want to drink 10ml of battery acid every day and do it.

who are we to decide who needs what?

Protect minors. leave everyone else to do as they please. (and if that means getting a med card to keep one's self out of jail then so be it. plenty of people dies and went to jail to give cali the system it has.)

i tried to hold back but rant on...

Our job as citizens is to practice civil disobedience. They write the laws for them the great majority of the time. When we get one that benefits us it is our responsibility to take advantage. Refusing to get a med card and going to jail where you can't provide for your family or be a working member of society is illogical. I'm sorry about your father, dagnabit. The system sucks. but don't ask others to suffer out of some sort of moral high ground. You think your dad would want more people in jail for growing herb?

What about all the tax money that is documented every time some one get a med card. That is one more legit marijuana transaction taking place in the United States of America. Do you realize how big that is? DO you see how other states will use that as a reason to decrim or go medical.

Ending Prohibition is about dollars; not political arguments empirically.

 

[Thundurkel]

so please explain to me in 10,000 words or less what real repercussion do you think YOU will suffer when T.C.2010 passes?

First off sorry about your dad dude that's fucked up that had to happen to him...

I think if it passes I wont be able to make a dime in the medical scene which is legal to do so by state law. I've got friend's who have buddies with "Real" money and it's all legit business millionaire shit talking about doing "warehouse grows" on a huge scale and have my buddy running it... Now let me tell what that will do, dude is a SUPER good grower and Nor Cal will be FLOODED with bomb ass dank and it will be CHEAP!!! So fuck the lil guys like me with 1 light and a small space they can go back to the rat race and make some other asshole rich while getting taxed HEAVILY on every dime! Right now my out of work ( and I've been out daily looking and search craigslist daily) self can sell my harvest to a club in my area and it's TAXED so where is ALL that money going??? Clubs in my area are busy as fuck and I've seen vendors come in 8 out of 10 ten times I go in and the clubs pay taxes too so again WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY!!!! Medical Marijuana is the ONE thing that HAS NOT suffered during this shit economy and has flourished so why should I vote to TAX my medicine when they can't even show me shit for all the TAXES that have been paid in the last 4 years!!!! That's in the MILLIONS out here per city shit maybe even per county... My city has over 40 dispensaries do the math

 

[weedies]

One friend of mine (a card holder) said, "You can get a card in Cali for a headache".

 

[Babbabud]

Your point ??

Your point ??

One friend of mine (a card holder) said, "You can get a card in Cali for a headache".

So is there some reason that headaches shouldnt qualify ? or would you rather take something dreamed up by big pharma for your headaches ? Whats your point ?

 

[nomaad]

Yes, you can get a rec in Cali for treatment of headaches. Far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with that. It sure as hell helps my headaches... they are caused by muscular problems in my upper back, shoulders and neck. Cannabis helps both by smoking and, the few times I have been able to get my hands on a certain salve, by application during massage. Again, why should one have to be bleeding from the eyes to get a rec? If Ibuprofin is taken to help with head and muscle aches, why shouldn't I be able to substitute cannabis if it works. And it works. It really works for so many people, for som many things.

In some cases, it just makes a person less of an asshole. And if that ain;t good medicine for them (me?), it sure is for the rest of the people around them... (isn;t this the intention of many pharms..antidepressants, mood enhancer, etc)

To many native and aboriginal cultures, "medicine" is equated with vibrations that make the spirits happy... or unhappy for that matter. "good medicine"... "bad juju"... same concept. This is not covered by Prop215... but as far as I am concerned it could be and I would accept it.

Prop 215 was loosely worded on purpose to address as wide an interpretation of "medical need" as possible. And the voters of California passed it. To adopt a fascist interpretation of medical need based on only the terminally ill is... absurd.

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

sorry but im not taking your word because you dont live where i live....come take a ride through my section of town and explain to me how they are rolling on chrome and rocking the latest gadgets, clothes, etc. explain to me why my ex-roomates family (on section 8 with 3 kids)...pays next to nothing for their apartment, and why their mom just sits around all day watching their 70 inch TV...and she drives an Infiniti SUV, and her kids all have the latest video game systems, air jordans, etc etc... (which i didnt have when i was their age)....and thats just one example i can go on and on about this but its a different subject.

people like me and people like you will never see eye to eye, your a liberal progressive who thinks the lower class are all victims and deserve to sit around all day and never work hard for theirselves. more government handouts for votes thats the democrats game.
....

let me guess. your an obama supporter just like dagnabit huh? dont worry...one day you will wake up and realize your ignorance...until then enjoy your day.

Okay, let me start by clarifying your last assumption. I voted for McCain.

Let me continue moving backwards through your backwards post... actually I could give a fuck about the lower class. I just know what its like to be down and out.

Just because some people have flashy shit don't make them rich. Maybe even have a nice car, but if they're bad off as you make them, I doubt they're keeping up with payments and probably playing repo-man hide and seek.

welfare is based off of INCOME. If you have no income you could live in a fucking mansion and still get food stamps.

Why don't you stop crying and go apply for your E.B.T. card? I doubt you pay taxes on the weed you broker, so you should still qualify.

It sounds to me like you're more upset how your neighbors on the east side spend their money. Maybe you should open up an economics course for the hood?

 

[Toyot4]

i think it would be nice to actually know how the local governments(other than oakland) are going to set stuff up. if we knew some of the details of what the local governments were thinking i think this would probably help the situation of this bill.

 

[Lazyman]

Ok, I try not to bash people politics, but an admitted McCain voter? McCain is bad enough, but to want Sarah Palin anywhere near a position of authority is downright unconscionable and you should be ashamed of yourself. Seriously.

Don't you want your politicians to be more capable and intelligent than you? I mean, if she's not, then WOW man. Just wow.

Sorry for the threadjack, back to the arguing!

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

Ok, I try not to bash people politics, but an admitted McCain voter? McCain is bad enough, but to want Sarah Palin anywhere near a position of authority is downright unconscionable and you should be ashamed of yourself. Seriously.

Don't you want your politicians to be more capable and intelligent than you? I mean, if she's not, then WOW man. Just wow.

Sorry for the threadjack, back to the arguing!

I don't see how who I voted for has anything to do with this, but I was responding to Yes4Prop215's false assumption... that just because I hold a certain opinion I must have voted for a politician that someone else with my same opinion voted for.

Oh wait, I do see how who I voted for has anything to do with this thread... Sarah Palin says pot isn't "that bad".

Oh yea, and tell me ONE politician who is more capable and intelligent than myself. LOL - they're all fucking idiots. At least McCain knows what its like to be tortured by the enemy for years.

But I forgot. Obama is so fucking smart. Oh yea, that's right. How could I forget.

 

[F_T_P!]

I never lied about getting medical marijuana script, if you can get prescription drugs for an ailment than you can substitute said drugs with cannabis. You do not need to be terminally ill to get a med card and those that say you do are not very bright.

You can get a script for alcoholism or ADD or anxiety or a sore back, etc.

So for those of you saying we are lying about our medical needs are no better than the people who claim marijuana has no medicinal value.

Keep it Medical, Vote No!

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

"Keep it Medical, Vote No!" ???? You understand it will STILL be medical, right? Don't tell me we have to go over this again.

 

[Lazyman]

I don't see how who I voted for has anything to do with this, but I was responding to Yes4Prop215's false assumption... that just because I hold a certain opinion I must have voted for a politician that someone else with my same opinion voted for.

Oh wait, I do see how who I voted for has anything to do with this thread... Sarah Palin says pot isn't "that bad".

Oh yea, and tell me ONE politician who is more capable and intelligent than myself. LOL - they're all fucking idiots. At least McCain knows what its like to be tortured by the enemy for years.

But I forgot. Obama is so fucking smart. Oh yea, that's right. How could I forget.

I understand what you're saying, but I couldn't disagree more about your choice in candidates to support. Anyway, I didn't vote for Obama either, I threw my vote away (yet again) on Ron Paul.

Out of curiousity, how does being tortured make one a better candidate? Does it give them special powers or something? Never understood how that had anything to do with anything.

 

[weedies]

My only point is that if it is that easy to get a med card, people should, and avoid criminal prosecution. I have a possession charge (3 grams) in a state that is not medical and it is causing me problems now. It kept me from renting an apartment in a med state.

 

[dagnabit]

sooo when prop215 said "just get your med card" when we were talking about recreational use it has been convoluted into me thinking that only "people bleeding from their eyes" deserve medicine?
someone explain that leap to me?

i have my card for two torn A.C.L.s and a blown meniscus. (chronic pain)

but im realistic and i know that when arguing with idiots(and thats what most people are on the medical MJ issue) they point to people getting med cards for "headaches" or fucking PMS it delegitimizes (i think i just made that one up) the entire movement.

if you disagree we will just have to agree to do so.

but none of this matters as it finally sunk into prop215's skull that this bill will not affect his ability to cover his ass at the expense of patients across the country.

 

[weedies]

Well someone gave me negative rep for quoting a Californian, saying you can get a card for a headache. I suppose I will get more negative rep for saying it again. My point is if it were that easy, people should get one to avoid criminal prosecution.

 

[F_T_P!]

sooo when prop215 said "just get your med card" when we were talking about recreational use it has been convoluted into me thinking that only "people bleeding from their eyes" deserve medicine?
someone explain that leap to me?

i have my card for two torn A.C.L.s and a blown meniscus. (chronic pain)

but im realistic and i know that when arguing with idiots(and thats what most people are on the medical MJ issue) they point to people getting med cards for "headaches" or fucking PMS it delegitimizes (i think i just made that one up) the entire movement.

if you disagree we will just have to agree to do so.

but none of this matters as it finally sunk into prop215's skull that this bill will not affect his ability to cover his ass at the expense of patients across the country.

If cannabis cures my headache, why would I not get a script?

 

[F_T_P!]

"Keep it Medical, Vote No!" ???? You understand it will STILL be medical, right? Don't tell me we have to go over this again.

OK, Keep cannabis out of corporate hands, Vote NO.

 

[Babbabud]

Not neg rep

Not neg rep

Well someone gave me negative rep for quoting a Californian, saying you can get a card for a headache. I suppose I will get more negative rep for saying it again. My point is if it were that easy, people should get one to avoid criminal prosecution.

Actually i just clicked I didnt agree with your post... is there something wrong with that ? I see the system in place ... or am I supposed to agree with every post ? Not sure what your complaining about ?

 

[dagnabit]

If cannabis cures my headache, why would I not get a script?

because cannibis does not "cure" a headache it treats the symptom.
but thats a whole other conversation.

the reason I would not do so is the idiot masses who will vote against a med bill in another state because of the image of drug addled hippies stumbling into a "doctor" in a tye dyed lab coat and them both snickering over a 6' bong while the patient says "yeah doc a headache thats it"

you and i know thats not the way it is but the masses?

maybe you misunderstand me....

i believe you should have mj for your headache.

hell i belive it is the god given right for any man woman or child to grow,manufacture,import,smoke,shoot,snort,buy,eat,sell,give away,shove up their ass ect.ect.ect...any substance they choose to do so with anytime they choose to so long as they do not infringe upon any other persons rights.

but i dont live in that world i live in this one.
in this world sacrifices must be made.
sacrifice means maybe not being one of those people that the ignorant masses can point to.

 

[Babbabud]

True sacrifices means exposing ppl to the truth.... like mom, dad , sister ,grandma , grandpa. Its our resposibility to expose our loved ones to who we really are so they wont believe the propaganda of the so called "masses" aka as your family. I intend to enlighten people every chance I get not hide away and let "them" aka "the masses "aka your "friends and family" continue to believe the lies. I intend to live my life in the truth and hopefully enlighten some others along the way. If it works for headaches .. who would not want to share that with others ?