The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Trinity Gold]

1 oz per 500-1000 gallons depending on how bad the problem is (for drench)

1/2 tsp per gallon (foliar)

 

[nomaad]

B.Bill: what size pots did you transplant from?

 

[BotanicalBill]

Thanks guys. Nomaad, the clones were coming from 3 gal pots and the seedlings were in 2..

I guess I'll do get some of this and try and do a 1/2-2 tsp per gallon and spray of as much of the pasture I can, then drench the immediate are of the girls and see how that works..

Thanks for the quick responses

 

[nomaad]

ime you'd get bushier plants if you transplanted them from bigger pots. i'll take some pics tomorrow of stuff going in from 2's and 3's... and post em in my thread when I get a chance.

 

[Trinity Gold]

Mine went from 5s and 15s. Next year I'm going to go from 1s in to the 300s

BBill Please read my post RE pesti/fungicides ...equip yourself with proper PPE prior to spraying or DO NOT SPRAY!

 

[localhero]

that must have been messy goin from 15s. i noticed that the smaller the plant the faster its recovery from transplant.

 

[Hash Man]

yea i will have to agree with nommad on this one, we will c tho when the yield comes, but the 2 blue dreams i have that were in 20 gallon pots are way bigger tthan the plants that were vegged in 3 gallon pots and then transplanted. The race is on tho and my smaller ones are catching up or sure.

 

[straintester]

yeah man i get those food grade barrels for about 15 bones, big holes in the bottom and smaller ones along the sides for aeration atleast 6 inches from the top of the soil (basically bellow the bottom ridge mark). cut in half makes 2 20 gallon pots for about 7.50 each. using a table saw with the guard taken off will get you a much straighter cut, you just make your marks and spin the barrel. i even made a soil mixer out of one of the brown 50 gallon ones with the twist off top.

im finding the barrels with the bottom support on both ends work better, otherwise the rounded bottom half cuts like to warp if left empty. those things are heavy to move around. you can get one of those janitor bin dollies or make your own if you ever plan on using them inside. that will save your floor liner from getting cut up each time you need to make an adjustment.

for plant support with those, its real easy to wrap them in caging, cut a wire out and bend it inside the pot lip every foot or so to support the cage.

Yeah my handy work might not be too accurate as I didn't use a table saw.
I was scared I wouldn't be able to hold those barrels straight enough and they'd jump out of my hands so i used the drill and made a hole in the side and then took a jigsaw and cut all the way around.
AND yes the rounded end warps very bad if not used right away; had that problem a week ago so can relate
The flat edges really cut into my grass when i try and move them around to mow the lawn. Its a bit difficult but i'm managing

The wire cages is a great idea...thanks
I also need to make a hoop house to protect them from the harsh weather so that they can finish properly

 

[nomaad]

yea i will have to agree with nommad on this one, we will c tho when the yield comes, but the 2 blue dreams i have that were in 20 gallon pots are way bigger than the plants that were vegged in 3 gallon pots and then transplanted. The race is on tho and my smaller ones are catching up or sure.

It also depends WHEN they get plugged. As TGold said, next year he's going to put them into the 300's from smaller pots... but I am pretty sure they would also go in a lot earlier than if he were plugging from 10's or better. HL's plants, now bushy as fuck, went into those pots very early with the hooped-rows to protect them.

Next year, everything destined for the big pots will be in 10's just like this year. I am very happy with the size and bushiness of everything in the home gardens... The only thing I would like to do differently is to have more space for each plant in the veg greenhouse if possible.

 

[Trinity Gold]

Yes regardless of the size of the pot I'm going in early. I am going to just use 1 gallons and veg my rooted clones indoors for two weeks under 1K MHs then put them in to my 300s with hoops over each row on April 1 (same day my plants went in to my GH this year...)

 

[localhero]

yeah i agree, the sooner the better, the more space to veg the better. next year im not going to get into the veg trouble i did this year with plants running out of room while the soil waits to cook. stoopid me for not realizing everyone was waiting for the last frost to plant, shit im in la i could have been in the ground in december with sup light.

its interesting how the birds that stripped HL's plants had such an effect on how bushy they got. its almost like they went in and did a bunch of topping for him. ive read of techniques where people strip their plants of leaves to force more leaf growth. i dont know if they got to all his plants though.

 

[nomaad]

doesn't make you stupid. only inexperienced. i have at least 2 personal faceplam moments per day. we're all talking about how we'll do it different next year. I am going to terrace the new garden next year and replace the 200's with 300's. I'll be doing the row hoops for sure.

Remember that you may not have the spacing required to put em out in december in your backyard...

 

[localhero]

that is true about the space i have. it seems to be my weak link in getting large plants, outdoors. if every plant in my yard were to be finishing right now at the size they are, i think id average about a pound per. hmm maybe 3/4. either way as it looks now i dont think im going to have space issues. i think i could have gone in ground in april atleast. to give an example we can all relate to at this point, it takes a little more than 2 gallons to spray 20 ladies, double that to really load them down.

july is supposed to be the big month for veg growth right? then they will stretch in august? i dont really know how much veg we have left, last year i put out 5 gal pots in late august LOL.

 

[Trinity Gold]

Yes you're right. July is boost month and the first few weeks of august are stretch time.

 

[Tom Hill]

Went on some rounds this morning w/cam. Here we are on June 28th.

Hate to jinx us but yeah, this is the most encouraging start I have ever had and during the snottiest spring I can recall. Still, we are far from outa the woods and quite a few innings to be played yet. Biglove and posivibes to all. -Tom

 

[Trinity Gold]

that must have been messy goin from 15s. i noticed that the smaller the plant the faster its recovery from transplant.

The 15 gallons were completely rooted from very top to very bottom coming through the bottoms and sides. I just cut them off and plugged them. Once the weather caught up every thing took off, the plants from 5s that were clones are tearing..the 16 large ones that Ive had since Jan or Feb that the bomb threat clones in the 300s and light dep came from..well I wish I had just plugged more of the smaller ones and depped the old ones like my gut told me but I Just wanted to see what would happen and went with it.. I'm not complaining..now that they're starting to tear..they're tearing and are way bigger and bushier than any thing else out there..so I suppose its 6 of one kind and a half dozen of another type of situation.

The plant I thought was Betsy accidentally was a golden goat and I gave all my betsys away to the neighborhood ! That one came out of a 15 and never skipped a beat but that's because she is just..that type of girl. I see myself putting up a car port around this one..but hopefully not

Tom awesome job. Maybe some 20+?

 

[Layedback530]

Out of 5, 10 and 15 gallon smart pots i transplanted from, the 15 gallons did the best, 10 te second best, and 5 the worst. Of course transplanting my 2-3 gallons did well, but i wont be transplanting from 2-3 next year. Like most said, i will have 15 gallon transplants in may 1st (because the springs are very warm here) with sup light.

 

[Tom Hill]

Heya TG, howzit,

I don't think so amigo - that's way optimistic me thinks. But you have the ratio correct +/-. Here goes the Bombthreat, maybe 4 boats (average ?) if in large containers. Vs maybe 12-15 pounders of that BD in the same. However, the compensation is at best 2:1 imo . It's 3rd grade math bro, tehee. Good to see you back in the thick of it, looking good over there.

Layedback,

Not the size of the containers, it's the size of the plant inside of the size of the containers. Your (everybody's) best transplant will come out of the least rootbound containers - that's the bottom line. All other parameters being equal, the largest and most rapid growth occurs by never letting roots find the edge of the container. -T

 

[nomaad]

All other parameters being equal, the largest and most rapid growth occurs by never letting roots find the edge of the container. -T

Don't I know it. The entire new garden is getting the MOST rootbound plants that I've got. Not the way you want to do it in a perfect world... but 60x200 gallon gardens that get started on June 12th are not exactly a perfect world.

Looking good Tom. Real good. Glad to hear you're having the best season ever... so far. I'm like you... not counting unhatched chickens. And not getting cocky. A couple of 10-12's in there for sure, bro. Bless your gardens.

 

[Trinity Gold]

No there's no denying the benefit of the genetics..I just love the bomb threat and it's what was going in my set up at the time so it's what I went with. Also have some D.O.G out...Did you get any of those?