Should Government Regulate Cannabis Quality?

[CrumpleZone]

Where's the "Fuck NO! Less government, not more! No Nanny State!" option?

Yeah... what he said.

Unions, federal oversight, it all sounds bad to me.

Everyone is gonna have their hands out. Maybe Illegal is better.

What's worse getting jacked by some gangsta, or by a thug in a suit from the govt, or worse still a union?

 

[Lazyman]

Krunchbubble was just mentioning in another thread that he's had his bud tested at Harborside many times and always comes back clean, no trace of the Eagle20, Floramite, or Avid that he uses. If it doesn't show on a gas chromatograph, there isn't any in there. What's the point of testing for things that aren't there?

I mean, PM and mold would show, potency can be tested, but apparently pesticides are a moot point.

I also vote no, there is very little that government has ever been involved in that they didn't botch horribly. Let's keep them out of our nug jars!

 

[CaptainTrips]

Yep..

Here we are inhaling burning plant material. This method of ingestion is the most dangerous way to be exposed to carcinogens.

I am not voting with business in mind I am voting for my safety.

Again, here, I say that any person making money on cannabis needs to be held accountable and the only way to find problems is to test produce.

I voted test all sold.


It has nothing to do with Government in you life. It has everything to do with Consumer safety.

Besides German Beer is wonderful and so should California Cannabis be.

Also all you business folks.. You want top quality and brand recognition so the testing and the Seal you can place on your product helps generate Customer loyalty.

Everyone's business models will have to change. Best we get testing in there so we can keep the good growers and get rid of the bad.

Government regulation means nothing. Just look at the FDA. How many drugs have they approved that ended up killing thousands/10s thousands of people... You just need enough money to be FDA approved... better kept illegal and the FDA or any other federal agency out of it.

 

[smokeymacpot]

i would like it legalised but controlled, so i can be sure of what i am buying, eg not adulerterated or unripe(too racey for me). i guess in a way that is what you do there with those dispenseries as someone examines or tries it beforehand and that is at least better than buying it from some shitty dealer and its those shitty dealers the government need to get rid off. as its illegal criminals controlling it...
sell it abit like tobacco and alcohol or only sell it to those that hold a licence of somesort. whic is what you guys in th usa do already. my god the UK needs to look at the shitty situation caused by its illegality

 

[humboldtlocal]

Krunchbubble was just mentioning in another thread that he's had his bud tested at Harborside many times and always comes back clean, no trace of the Eagle20, Floramite, or Avid that he uses. If it doesn't show on a gas chromatograph, there isn't any in there. What's the point of testing for things that aren't there?

I mean, PM and mold would show, potency can be tested, but apparently pesticides are a moot point.

I also vote no, there is very little that government has ever been involved in that they didn't botch horribly. Let's keep them out of our nug jars!

The lab that Harborside uses is very unprofesional and poorly ran. It was also created by Harborside and is therefore in their pocket. Why do you think his gorgeous chemical filled bud gets a passing grade and is sold as "clean and tested" for a very high price. My collective used the same lab and was appalled at how poorly ran it was and how all over the place the testing was. They are looking at another lab that is about to start testing in the bay and hopefully they will be professional and legit and give real impartial test results.

 

[OjoRojo420]

Government regulation means nothing. Just look at the FDA. How many drugs have they approved that ended up killing thousands/10s thousands of people... You just need enough money to be FDA approved... better kept illegal and the FDA or any other federal agency out of it.

Please go to any Third World Country and see what total lack of Government REGULATION does.

Contaminated produce, adulterated everything, air pollution and open sewer rivers... I mean BAD.

Organized Crime fills into ANYTHING that makes money and we all are fucked!

Police WORKS for them... like in Mexico.

People USED to die in America (in MUCH greater numbers) due to poor food quality and adulterants prior to any regulation.

How soon WE spoiled Americans forget...

MANY illegal growers don't give a shit about anybody's health... theirs included.

Honesty and integrity do not grow under HIDs...

Jesus!

Look at breeders ripping each other all the time!!!

And I should trust JUST the growers' word?

Again, Hell NO!

 

[JackTheGrower]

Why do you assume the market cannot hold people accountable? Consumer safety is nothing but an excuse to give power to those who do nothing but consume the products days and dreams of your life. So thing that California cannabis could not be wonderful without the regulation of a bureaucracy is a mockery of reason. Why could a private company not exist with its own seal of approval? Why do you assume customer loyalty will be achieved through government approval but not market approval. The seal you speak of is not a magic stamp that creates a market share, the product is. The seal you speak of would not be granted to you through product safety, but through boot licking and correct campaign donations. It wouldn't take long for this seal of approval to work out like this oil spill debacle and the wonderful bureaucracy regulating safety in that aspect of the market.

I just don't see how government testing weed will get rid of the bad growers. I can see how it would get rid of the growers with little political clout and those growers who didn't send that government worker to Hawaii for the weekend.

When the coin of the realm is product such as in the market place it is the best product that wins. When the coin of the realm is who you know and who funds your office, it is friendship, political pull, and backhanded deals that win.

Why do I assume? Because there are profits involved.

Not every grower with say Powdery Mildew or other pests will voluntarily dump a crop because it was slightly damaged when it effects their survival. They may try and push tainted produce rather than lose a years income.

Only when there is someone checking will there be less chances of folks pushing produce to keep their business profitable.

In the end Business doesn't care if they are selling Cannabis or tractors. It's the sales and revenue that keep payrolls going.

That's why.. I site the evil nature of the Human being as my grounds for testing all sold produce.

I'd love to think everyone is being the most responsible that they can be but let's face facts people who grow right here on this site have problems with pests and use things on plants to rid themselves of those problems up to and including Shell no pest strips..
Neem oil is one I understand Organic gardeners feel is safe to use but you won't catch me smoking a plant after anything is applied like neem oil.

My personal standards are very high. Cannabis is a luxury not a food so if I buy Cannabis I want to be sure it was grown with MY strict standards in mind. Testing and Certification is the only way I could know.

Put the Balls of the Grower on the line. No one is making them run a business but I need to know what I am smoking.

Besides I see shops offering fine cannabis. They would want the expensive cannabis they sell to be superior and so would I.


Maybe you can prove to us that no one will ever taint weed in any way after it's decriminalized.. I'd love to read it.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Government regulation means nothing. Just look at the FDA. How many drugs have they approved that ended up killing thousands/10s thousands of people... You just need enough money to be FDA approved... better kept illegal and the FDA or any other federal agency out of it.

We have an advantage the Engineer of Cannabis is Nature.. All we have to do is start off with testing. Then we set the standard and we have to deal with offenders.

Myself.. I have no problem sending someone to prison for contaminating weed and pushing it off as safe.

Until we have that power we will face the possibility that the next smoke we take could damage our internal organs.

I can't believe we are even arguing this point.. It's like molesting a child.. Are we saying a little molest is okay by saying we shouldn't test?

 

[JackTheGrower]

Here is why all Business folks should support Testing and Certification.

Keeps the Market Closed. By that only Registered, tested and Certified growers have access to the market.

Here is why all "MoonShine Cannabis growers" want Testing and Certification. Because it will cause a demand for tour untested produce if you are willing to under bid the regular high prices.

It actually will stabilize the market by creating a price level that unregistered growers can depend on when they calculate their profits.

Right now all we have is a glut in the market this year and the private sales keeping the prices up.

Quality control will stabilize a legal market price wise.. I don't see why growers are against this. Once we all can buy weed in a store the prices will be like the wild west.. Very little for the grower and way high 50% or more over cost at the store.

That the market will bare the costs of testing and that demand will control the price seems reasonable to me at the moment.
That a stable market allows MoonShine Grows to make money too should make everyone that doesn't want to be on the Government radar happy as their produce will have a price reference.

But if you are Moonshining and you poison people then you should get 2 or 3 time the amount of prison time than the Certified person.

Does this sound solid?

 

[ItsAllOver]

Please go to any Third World Country and see what total lack of Government REGULATION does.

Contaminated produce, adulterated everything, air pollution and open sewer rivers... I mean BAD.

Organized Crime fills into ANYTHING that makes money and we all are fucked!

Police WORKS for them... like in Mexico.
Ah, the old, "you're a free market guy, a libertarian, go move to Somalia," fallacy. Those countries are poor and more importantly chaotic because they do not have the framework/infrastructure in place to maintain 1) the rule of law against force and fraud, 2) property rights. Because of this, all of your preceding things are mentioned. It is not the fact that production is not regulated/proven to be safe before sale! It is that there is no due process to deal with force and fraud against one's fellow man, that causes these countries to be examples of crime (which includes polluting your neighbor's property). If some producer's pot makes anyone sick, they should be able to simply enter into a legal dispute with the producer in question. It is not fair to impose the costs associated with regulation onto those that would otherwise have not needed the regulation at all. This is why we have a court system. Of course the courts aren't the only way that shitty producers can be hurt in the marketplace. Can lose investment, revenue due to the negative representation in the public.

People USED to die in America due to poor food quality and adulterants prior to any regulation.
I would like to see a citation or two for this claim...

FDA started in 1906. It would seem obvious to me that the 1950s TV dinners and fast food didn't come to be until a few decades after the FDA came into the picture. Talk about poor food quality and adulterants.

How soon WE spoiled Americans forget...
I agree, but the other way around.

MANY illegal growers don't give a shit about anybody's health... theirs included.
And they will verily fail in a free (and legal) market of many growers that DO care about their customer's health. Anyway, who is the government to decide whether or not something sold to be smoked is not grown with petroleum based fertilizers, for example? Many of us are not convinced that this matters a bit.

Honesty and integrity do not grow under HIDs...

Jesus!

Look at breeders ripping each other all the time!!!
The breeders rip each other, among other reasons, because they know the victim cannot seek help from the government. Same argument as that for "drug-related crime".

And I should trust JUST the growers' word?
How many more crooked organizations' 'words' do you need before you'll be happy? Why not just not trust any at all and judge the product on its merit.

Again, Hell NO!

OK

 

[Botanist]

Why do I assume? Because there are profits involved.

Are profits not to be found in government, after all profit depends upon what it is your after. What many government officials are after no money on earth could buy.

Not every grower with say Powdery Mildew or other pests will voluntarily dump a crop because it was slightly damaged when it effects their survival. They may try and push tainted produce rather than lose a years income.

They my try and find that they have burned so many bridges no one is willing to buy from them.

Only when there is someone checking will there be less chances of folks pushing produce to keep their business profitable.

This is true. Government regulation will stifle production.

In the end Business doesn't care if they are selling Cannabis or tractors. It's the sales and revenue that keep payrolls going.

Well ya. What is it that drives people to buy from them? Product or a government stamp of approval?

That's why.. I site the evil nature of the Human being as my grounds for testing all sold produce.

WOW. By what standards do you damn human nature as evil. And if humans by nature are in fact evil. then what sort of creature to you plan to put in charge of them? I would like to know where you are going to find these angels to run the economy and babysit you. If i own a pot farm and produce a product you need or want, how is it you can force me to pay for government over site simply because you have evaded the responsibility of thinking? How is it that human nature is evil when working in the market yet pure when working for the bureaucracy?

I'd love to think everyone is being the most responsible that they can be but let's face facts people who grow right here on this site have problems with pests and use things on plants to rid themselves of those problems up to and including Shell no pest strips..
Neem oil is one I understand Organic gardeners feel is safe to use but you won't catch me smoking a plant after anything is applied like neem oil.

That is wonderful. You are taking responsibility for yourself. I am with you. I don't like smoking neem oil either.

My personal standards are very high. Cannabis is a luxury not a food so if I buy Cannabis I want to be sure it was grown with MY strict standards in mind. Testing and Certification is the only way I could know.

Testing and certification may be a way for you to find peace of mind. Now why do you say it is a proper role of government to perform these acts? If you know their is a market for it could you not start your own privet lab and certify product for people? I would trust you more then the FDA. At least you have and honest motive "PROFIT"

Put the Balls of the Grower on the line. No one is making them run a business but I need to know what I am smoking.

And if they don't tell you, you don't have to buy from them.

Besides I see shops offering fine cannabis. They would want the expensive cannabis they sell to be superior and so would I.

True

Maybe you can prove to us that no one will ever taint weed in any way after it's decriminalized.. I'd love to read it.

It is not on me to prove why we don't need regulation but on you to prove why we do. I cannot be called upon to prove why we don't need... oh say, to regulate finch populations. It is up to those who wan't to regulate them that must prove their point.

Bad things will happen whether government is involved or not. What we need to look at is whether government intervention causes more problems then it solves.

 

[420patient.com]

“If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

 

[robbiedublu]

I think there should be regulations banning any additives but nothing more than that.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

The "Govt" can't even get their facts on cannabis correct.....



Optional dispensary testing.... best option in the long run. Until people get educated, they're going to buy crap and say

Stay Safe!

 

[OjoRojo420]

OK

Love it!

Just don't care to elaborate any longer on a fantasy subject...

Our community is diverse enough to avoid petty discussions.

My point is well understood by any person of good will who cares about health.

Namaste

 

[the_red_bull]

Why not, they regulate whiskey production.

 

[Botanist]

Love it!

Just don't care to elaborate any longer on a fantasy subject...

Our community is diverse enough to avoid petty discussions.

My point is well understood by any person of good will who cares about health.

Namaste

Now now. What you did is use 3rd world country's as an example of what will happen without regulation. I don't know what 3rd world country you where talking about but i can only assume it would be a far cry from the laissez-faire market some have been advocating. In most cases those 3rd world stats are a good example of fascism.

Government has a role in protecting the rights of the individual but not a role in protecting the individuals them selfs. arguing for a government that is limited to protecting the right to life, liberty, and property is not the same as arguing for a government that teams with business and acts much like a mafia.

 

[JackTheGrower]

And I should trust JUST the growers' word?

Again, Hell NO!

Just a Snippit of your post so forgive the out of context reply.

It's a Soap box of sorts..


I would believe that "Toker's Finest" brand should inspire a loyal consumer base.. Like I pointed to this is a Market Share Grab in California after the Chickens have hatched.. Lord Knows we are counting the Chickens without a Voter Drive, but I digress.

I go by JackTheGrower.. I have a test grow sponcered by a medical friend going. I am but a humble citizen shareing medial genetics.
I have put my Balls on the line with my word that things will be good for this Gardener.
This Gardener is out no money. No exchange of any kind has been made. Simply this is a "Share The Love" effort.

By example; this is Gifting. Gifting from one Medical to another in the name of Horticulture.

In California we have an awkward political adolescent mind with Cannabis. With a Majority in Favor but a Minority of property owners against we face a force of Voters. May I suggest that we will fail becuase we have not considered a Voter drive necessary?
Nothing new in American Politics but we are actually defining a World wide cultural example!

If I want to stand Proud over a sticker that states on my purchased cannabis : "Grown in California."
I believe we all can agree a case of poisoning would spoil our party in Mixed World company...

So I can only raise a Cheer to California as my State of Origin but I will fight for California Cannabis Purity in defence and offence of my fellow California growers.

I am a believer not a Capitalist.


Ernst

 

[JackTheGrower]

“If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

I have assumed we are talking about over the counter sales.

In that way standardization is more than reasonable IMO.

Perhaps you could site an example where a minimum quality is a bad thing?

Sure buying exemplary produce is better than your local store but in this thread we have yet to established a minimum quality standard and it's because this is aimed at generating a published article.. But I digress..

If any of you against Purity are willing I will spray Raid bug killer on weed and provide it free and watch you smoke it free of charge if you agree not to sue me for poisoning you.

By not having testing you give someone the right to poison you without knowing who they are or being able to sue them.

So go on vote for less rights as a consumer... Do you think this site cares if you are a consumer of a grower when it comes to charging for advertisement?

Business is Business and there is more profit in Ignorance than the Wisdom of your customer.

I am willing to spray any buds I have if any of you are willing to toke.. If you sign off on it that is or the law doesn't require me to test!


Any Takers?

 

[JackTheGrower]

One last comment:

The winner here in the poll so far has voted for Cannabis to be treated like an Agricultural product.

Does this mean a Majority are in Favor of Monsanto taking over?

Does this mean our weed should be grown Acre by Acre by a shareholder Corporation?

May I suggest that You the Small Farmer has more to fear from the popular vote here than the purist approach? Where people grow and care directly?

We have our minds in a blender and we know not the Up from the Down.

Just get registered to vote! Seriously.. Don't wait until the day after elections to go vote.