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SecretGardener

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Bishop420 said:
I wish I understood this tea thing. We started talking about tomatoes and strawberry's....now Im confussed
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It's an English thing. :bigeye:

In all seriousness they are referring to AACT (actively aerated compost tea). The tea is made by putting compost in a 5 gallon (or a container of your size) bucket over an air stone to knock loose the microbes from the compost. The tea is usually put in a sock/stocking or something like bait in a crab trap and it hangs over an stone that diffuses bubbles from an air pump that sits outside the bucket. As the water bubbles microbes living in the compost are shook loose.

Here, check this: http://www.microbeorganics.com/#What_is_Compost_Tea_
 
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I could ask some more questions but Im not even close to ready for all that....lol I love this site!!!!!! You guys have unlimited knowledge. You guys rock!
Keep the world green and grow................
 
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vonforne

Bishop420 said:
thought this was for beginners...?
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It is. The first 2000 posts or so. I guess we have started the second half of this thread.

Now we are talking Minerals and Trace elements etc.

If you have any questions .....post them up.

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growclean

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In these recipes below, is 5 TBS of BSM and maxi correct? I have been following this recipe, but thought that I have seen some posts at one time that claimed that maybe the 5 tbs was too much, at least of the bsm I think? So 5 or less?

RECIPE #3 (My favorite)
If you want to use guano tea and kelp...

Guano Tea and Kelp:

Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.

Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.
 
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Bishop you should take a look at the first page of this thread, here are the recipes from burn one...


BurnOne said:
Here are some tried and true recipes for getting started in organic growing. Pick one of the first two soiless mix recipes for your grow medium. Then, choose a nute recipe that will work best for what you have available.

Enjoy...

Here are two very good organic soiless mixes...

LC's Mix is great for any stage of growth. You can germ seeds in it, grow mothers in it, root clones in it as well as veg and flower in it.

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.

Or, if you use Pro Mix, Sunshine Mix or Fox Farm mixes...
LC's Soiless Mix #2:
6 parts Pro Mix BX or HP / Sunshine Mix (any flavor from #1 up) / Fox Farm Ocean Forest or Light Warrior
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
But, a "part" can be anything from a tablespoon to a five gallon bucket. Just use the same item for all of the "parts".

Now for the plants organic food source

Choose one of these organic plant food recipes to add to LC's Soiless Mix.

RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
(OPTIONAL) 1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.
With this recipe, all you need to do is add plain water until harvest.
When I'm working with seeds, I punch a hole in the bottom of 16 ounce cups and fill them with plain LC's Mix. Lightly wet the mix in the cups and germ one seed in each cup. At the same time I mix enough LC's mix along with the blood/bone/kelp to fill all the 3 gallon flower pots I'm going to use for the grow. After about two weeks, the seedlings and the blood/bone/kelp mix are ready. I transplant the seedlings into the 3 gallon pots and just add water until harvest.
When you go to flower and pull up the males, save the mix in the pots. It is ready to be used again immediately. Just remove the root ball and transplant another seedling into it.

RECIPE #2
If you want to use guano in your soil mix...
Bongaloid's Guano Mix.
Use all these items combined with one gallon of soil mix.
1/3C hi N Guano (Mexican Bat Guano)
1/2C hi P Guano (Jamaican or Indonesian Bat Guano)
1TBS Kelp Meal
(OPTIONAL) 1TBS Jersey Greensand

RECIPE #3 (My favorite)
If you want to use guano tea and kelp...

Guano Tea and Kelp:

Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.

Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.

You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it. If you find you are making too much tea and having to throw it out, use 2 1/2 gallons of water and cut the nute amount by half.


RECIPE #4
Three Little Birds Method
40 gallons used soil
4 cups alfalfa meal
4 cups bone meal
4 cups kelp meal
4 cups powdered dolomite lime
30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
That’s the basic recipe . . .
However we also like to use
4 cups of Greensand
4 cups of Rock Phosphate
4 cups of diatomaceous earth


RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)

For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful Neptune's Harvest 0-0-1 Seaweed or Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O

For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O

For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O
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vonforne

growclean said:
In these recipes below, is 5 TBS of BSM and maxi correct? I have been following this recipe, but thought that I have seen some posts at one time that claimed that maybe the 5 tbs was too much, at least of the bsm I think? So 5 or less?

RECIPE #3 (My favorite)
If you want to use guano tea and kelp...

Guano Tea and Kelp:

Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.

Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.
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5 TSP of powdered Kelp Extract if it was Maxi crop kelp extract liquid it would be 5 TBS but it is powdered.

Dr. Ingham (Soil Good Web Inc.) recommends 1 TSP per gallon. And that is the amount I use.

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vonforne

Clackamas Coot said:
Vonforne

My MMJ garden has had 3 applications of the K-Mag product as a tea which was applied as both a soil soak and as a foliar application.

I'm stunned. Amazed. Impressed. Happy. Glad. Etc.

What an amazing amendment. I'm not one that generally believes in this or that product as something that is a 'must have' but I'll be breaking my own rules - get this product. Use it. Benefit from this amendment.

Wow!

CC
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I am glad your are glad. LOL I will try and get a few pounds sent over but the post is killer.
Keep us posted on the latest with this CC. Thanks for the work.
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SecretGardener

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Quick question about the 'cooking' (whats the proper term?) process. I have LC's Soiless mix #2 with nutrient recipe #1 (blood/bone/kelp). It was sitting outside covered loosely with a black garbage bag. I was not sure if it was getting enough air like that so I poked two holes where the handles are - should I keep it like this or take the cover off? When it was covered, without the holes, the air inside was really warm and moist. I wasn't sure if this wet air would make it go anaerobic. It did smell pretty earthy, but moist. It was not like that nasty flatulence smell that is associated with anaerobic environments.

Also I think I see little fungi growing, can you visibly see the mycorrhizae? Thought I read someone saying they could.
 

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Clackamas Coot said:
Vonforne

What an amazing amendment. I'm not one that generally believes in this or that product as something that is a 'must have' but I'll be breaking my own rules - get this product. Use it. Benefit from this amendment.

Wow!

CC
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This stuff does look good just wish it was easier to come by. I think even azomite is more available then this stuff is, atleast in the states.
 
growclean

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vonforne said:
5 TSP of powdered Kelp Extract if it was Maxi crop kelp extract liquid it would be 5 TBS but it is powdered.

Dr. Ingham (Soil Good Web Inc.) recommends 1 TSP per gallon. And that is the amount I use.

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Sorry vonforne, I mean 5 tbs of mollasses and liquid karma. So in that sense are you still saying 1 tsp per gallon, or 1 tbs for those?
 
grapeman

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Clackamas Coot said:
Vonforne

My MMJ garden has had 3 applications of the K-Mag product as a tea which was applied as both a soil soak and as a foliar application.

I'm stunned. Amazed. Impressed. Happy. Glad. Etc.

What an amazing amendment. I'm not one that generally believes in this or that product as something that is a 'must have' but I'll be breaking my own rules - get this product. Use it. Benefit from this amendment.

Wow!

CC
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I also wanted to say, that IMO (humble that it is), results from this product (K-Mag or sulfate of potash) should not be attributed 100% to the K. Sulfur is one of the MOST overlooked soil amendments that will help not only in macro nutrition, but will condition the soil, help maintain soil ph and also help make other nutrients more readily available. Used from mid season or flowering onward, it can help balance salt buildup also

In farming operations, we will apply well over 100 lbs/acre per season or more.
 
dev0n

dev0n

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I got a talking-to several weeks ago from a Bruce Deuley devotee for brewing my tea in a nylon stocking. Apparently Bruce has asserted that the width of the holes in standard stocking mesh is wide enough to let beneficial microbes through but fails to pass other good stuff like fungus. He recommended a paint straining bag instead, which I happen to have on hand from brewing beer. In fact, a quick search of the icmag forum brings up one case in which CTGuy gave the same advice, which might as well cinch it in my book.

I will be giving this a go next time I brew (which due to its effectiveness won't have to be for a few weeks), but in the meantime is anyone aware of a decent comparison between the methods, or some other sort of documentation? I'm curious to know exactly what I've been depriving my garden/plants/trees of all this time, especially my trees which need fungus a hell of a lot more than they need bacteria.
 
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JAB

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hello icmag forums. I am a new grower and have spent countless hours lurking this and other forums, as well as reading books/articles of the process. I have decided to go organic (nothing tastes better than good organic bud) and have prepared LC's soilless mix #1. I altered it slightly using 4/3/3 peat moss/perlite/ewc. My question is how long will this mixture last? Right now there are dry ingredients only (including dolomite lime powder). I understand I need to add dechlorinated water, let sit for a couple weeks, whilst mixing regularly to aerate. Will it keep for a while in this state as long as i keep aerating it? I just need to know if this mix will be good for the next grow down the line.

Anyways thanks in advanced for any help.

As for my amendments, I have 4-1-1 fish emulsion w/ kelp for veg. And an organic fert from Dr. Earth (local company, www.drearth.com) 4-10-7 ill use when flowering. This will be my first go at it and i will definitely get a grow journal up soon. Germinating 6 seeds and in <24 hours 3 are starting to open up.
 
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