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vonforne

treefrog said:
I'm sweating here a little, Vonforne.
I've used a soil-less mix with blood and bone (among other things) for many years and like it, but lately I've wanted to try something new, so I added Plant Tone @ 1/4 cup per gallon and a mix of high phos bat and ancient seabird guano (50-50) also @ 1/4 cup per gallon. It will have been brewing for a little over two months when I planned on using it. Do you think it will be too hot?

I was a bit unsure about the amounts, but LC recommends 1/3 cup per gallon of high N and high P guano's, so I thought I would be a little light if anything..

I can always mix another batch of the same amount, but omit those two and be at 2 tbsps per gallon, but if I DON'T have to do that it would be fantastic, lol.

CC ~ I got some clones going, dipped in the gel you recommended. They're on heat too, about 82* How long do you usually have to wait? I felt like a freakin' mad scientist when I mixed it up :D
Life is good, especially when it's so balanced between the intellectual and visceral. I'm a dirty boy..na na.
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TF I always go with less is better. If you burn them then there is a loss of crop and time. If they have a little less nutrients in the soil you can always add to via teas or add more in the next round of soil. My current grow could have used more nutrients but I will wait on the dialing in wit the cones I am running.

I would cut it to 2 per gallon like the recipe says and then work on it in other ways later......teas and top dressing.

And I have not used the plant tone. I did use the FF POM before which is similar.

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Clackamas Coot said:
Vonforne

Here's an interview with Bill Ginn who is the Marketing Coordinator for Alaska Fertilizer (fish emulsion).

His comments gave me another reason to use fish hydrolysate products vs. Alaska Fertilizer's line.

Pretty interesting process.

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Thanks for the info once again ´Oh mighty Information Master` Man, if I just follow you around and read your links I will get smarter with that. LOL

Thanks for all you do here.

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Bishop420 said:
Going to go outside again next year...at least try again. lol I had some serious issues this year but it was my first time. If anyone has useful hints about starting inside then putting outside they would be appreciated.
Im running all CFL's.....
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Contact the Moderator JayKush here in our forum. He is the Master of outdoor here. He uses the same process you do and he will have tons of tips for you. Make sure to take a note book........he will load you with info.

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The main thing your looking for in organic food sources is N-P-K (Nitrogen, Phosphorous and Potassium). The ratios of the numbers should be 3-1-2 for veg and 1-3-2 for flower.
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So, using LC's mix #1 and recipe # 1the nutes and soil are a combo mix. How then do you change the ratio from "3-1-2" to "1-3-2"?
 
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hopefullyhappy said:
So, using LC's mix #1 and recipe # 1the nutes and soil are a combo mix. How then do you change the ratio from "3-1-2" to "1-3-2"?
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It's like Yahtzee. You put all the numbers back in the cup and toss again, until it comes out in the ratios you want.

Seriously though, I think you are missing the point. If you mix your soil and nutes as per the instructions and add water and teas, the plant will pull from the soil what it needs from the soil when it needs it (for the most part) throughout the grow.

At least that is the reason I am trying to learn this art. To make my life easier.
 
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Pumice

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At one point you were asking about pumice in general and I found a good article in the Digger Magazine which is a publication of the Oregon Association of Nurseries. It's very informative and interesting on a number of points that it raises.

Here are a couple of cites:
What is pumice?

Pumice is a type of igneous rock, which is formed from molten or partially molten material. Some igneous rocks form from the cooling of molten materials below the earth surface and are classified as plutonic. Plutonic igneous rocks have large and easily identifiable mineral deposits because of their slow cooling process (granite is an example). The size and source of the mineral deposits in plutonic rocks are used to classify them.

Pumice is commonly defined as an inert material with neutral pH, low salt content and the inability to contribute much to plant nutrition. However, some pumices can release small amounts of sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium and phosphorous. Not all pumice is the same. Pumice deposits from different parts of the world have different physical and chemical properties.
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And then there's this:
Where does pumice come from?

Pumice is mined throughout the world in regions with volcanic activity and pumice deposits. Oregon is the major pumice producer in the United States. Two operations are currently active in the state. One mines the Bend deposit in Deschutes County, and the other the Mazama deposit in Klamath County.

The Bend deposits are the result of the Bend Highland Eruption that occurred about 400,000 years ago. A ribbon-like layer of pumice approximately 20 feet thick was deposited around the present-day city of Bend. On top of the pumice layer is a 20- to 100-foot deep deposit of finer volcanic ash called Tumalo tuff. Geological studies indicate that the Bend pumice and the Tumalo tuff were formed during the same eruptive event. The Tumalo tuff layer seems to have protected the pumice from weathering and alteration of its original properties. The Bend deposits have been mined for more than 50 years.

The Mazama deposit was formed when Mount Mazama collapsed around 6,850 years ago, forming the caldera now occupied in part by Crater Lake. This eruption generated a pumice and ash deposit over an enormous area of western North America. The Mazama ash bed is identifiable throughout the northwestern U.S. and in three Canadian provinces. These deposits also occur in ribbons, although they are closer to the surface with only a thin layer of volcanic ash and topsoil covering it. Mining of these deposits for use in the nursery industry has only started in the last three years.

Pumice deposits from Bend and Mazama occur in tightly packed ribbons. These ribbons of pumice crumble into small particles, generally less than 1 inch in diameter, upon being excavated from the ground. Pumice is sorted into piles of differing particle size by using large automated screening machines.
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Because of the logistical costs involved, if you're sourcing pumice in the PNW it's from the Bend or Mazama mines.
Horticultural Uses

In the western United States, pumice is mined locally and used as an inorganic component in growing media. Pumice is usually added to bark or peat moss to increase aeration, porosity and drainage. Container nurseries in Oregon incorporate pumice to their mixes up to 33 percent of total volume. This material is also used as the sole component for sticking cuttings in propagation flats and in-ground propagation beds.
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Another cite:
Physical Properties

There are differences in pumice density. Bulk density is a measure of how much a material weighs for a given volume. This is important for selecting container substrates, because bulk density will influence the final weight of the container and thus shipping costs.

Particle size of the pumice sample greatly affects its bulk density, in that smaller particles pack more closely together, resulting in higher bulk densities. Because all four products are from different screen sizes and therefore have different particle size distribution, it’s impossible to compare apples with apples. Nonetheless, bulk density readings of the raw materials provide some insight as to the impact of each material on container weight.

Total porosity is the percent of container volume composed of pore space (see Digger, September 2003). Pores in a media can be filled with either water or air. After a container is completely saturated and allowed to drain, the fraction of the container filled with water is called water-holding capacity, and the fraction filled with air is called air space. Total porosity of each pumice sample was similar. Differences in water-holding capacity and air space were attributed to the differences in particle size of each sample.
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There is more information at the link as well as photos of pumice mining operations in Southern and Central Oregon.

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Vonforne

My MMJ garden has had 3 applications of the K-Mag product as a tea which was applied as both a soil soak and as a foliar application.

I'm stunned. Amazed. Impressed. Happy. Glad. Etc.

What an amazing amendment. I'm not one that generally believes in this or that product as something that is a 'must have' but I'll be breaking my own rules - get this product. Use it. Benefit from this amendment.

Wow!

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Clackamas Coot said:
Vonforne

My MMJ garden has had 3 applications of the K-Mag product as a tea which was applied as both a soil soak and as a foliar application.

I'm stunned. Amazed. Impressed. Happy. Glad. Etc.

What an amazing amendment. I'm not one that generally believes in this or that product as something that is a 'must have' but I'll be breaking my own rules - get this product. Use it. Benefit from this amendment.

Wow!

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Just saying, instead of a tea, you should try the 1 teaspoon/gal of the soluble kind on one plant for several weeks towards the end and see the results. I did. I'll be doing it from now on. those flowers are about 30% bigger and denser then the others.
 
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