Nomaad OD:2010

[Layedback530]

So im going with 3 pallets of the GF fr 625.00 per pallet. Im going to do what you suggested Maad and add the perlite. Also using the 100 gal for 20 ladies and 3 200 gallons for 3 other Blue dream ladies.

Strains going outside are:

Pure Power Plant (Popular Holland Commercial Strain; Yield: 500-600g/m2)
Blue Dream (Blueberry x Haze; Yield: 500-600g/m2)
Sharks Breath (Great White Shark x Jamaican Lambsbread; Yield: 500-600g/m2)
Blueberry
Super Lemon Haze (Lemon Skunk x Super Silver Haze; Yield: 700g/m2)

 

[nomaad]

is your Blue Dream a seed version? I have never seen clones advertised with a g/m2 rating like seeds.

I just heard something a little disturbing about Roots soil. I don't want to be alarmist and I am going to do some research and see how/if I can prove this right or wrong.

Some people I know, one of whom owns a shop, discovered a fungus gnat problem that started with Roots Organics soil. The store owner had enough people complaining that he decided to bring it up with a head hincho (not sure if it was THE head hincho) at Aurora at a recent trade show. The honcho reportedly admitted the problem and said something like. "Whatever. If they have a problem, I will give them a bottle of gnatrol!"

I was given this info while sitting atop a half pallet, besides 3 other full pallets of Roots Greenfields in my backyard. Now... again, I don't want to share this info to alarm anybody. Just want to keep people's eyes open. I am going to contact them as a 'reporter' -albeit freelance- for ICM and ask for a comment about this problem. I will report back here.

So... If you are working with Roots soil, I would pay very close attention to this possibility. Treat your soil weekly for the first couple of weeks with a product containing BT v. israelensis (something Aurora should probably be doing in house) and there should not be a problem.

 

[phatsesh]

i heard the same about fox farms and now bake my soils to 180F but all soils that are not sterlized will probly have bugs and even some that are depending on the cleanliness of the retail location, some shops have plant displays with bugs and their soils next to them. wonder if he knows how much gnatrol cost now?

 

[Layedback530]

My Blue dreams were clones from a friend who purchased seeds last year. I thought i read on the site 500-600 m2 but i just checked and i was mistaken. I was thinking 600 for Blue dream was a little low...

 

[Layedback530]

Maad, you had a pre98 bubba last year, right? What kind of yield do you predict from a 100 gal and 4 feet tall by May 20th? I have one to threw out there, but i dont really wanna waste a pot if the yield isnt going to be proper. Im not the biggest Bubba fan but the results from a friends clones were top notch. Still, im pushing for 3 a pot.

 

[nomaad]

My Blue dreams were clones from a friend who purchased seeds last year. I thought i read on the site 500-600 m2 but i just checked and i was mistaken. I was thinking 600 for Blue dream was a little low...

Interesting... I could not say what any given seed variety of Blue Dream would yield. I guess you could get a low yielder or a high one. Who knows what the parentage is. I know the Blue Dream and the Clueberry (my name for a possibly different Blue Dream cut) are at the top end of yielders out there. Hope it kills for you!

Anyhow... GREENHOUSE=OVERGROWN.

It may seem, in the first pic below, that there is plenty of room...

But thats what it looks like when only the 10 gallon pots are in there. The rest of em, in the 5 gallons are out here... havin a day in the sun. I think it was a little much for them... I thought that they wouldn't need much hardening.

Funny thing is the Clueberries seemed way harder hit by the sunshock than the OG, SD, MK and others. Not that any permanent damage was done.

They are back inside...crowded... Only until Monday. I am going to make one of my black box hoop structures into a teporary GH and Shade structure for the hardening of the plants which will begin to go into their final pots whenthe sun comes back out on tuesday (?).

 

[nomaad]

Maad, you had a pre98 bubba last year, right? What kind of yield do you predict from a 100 gal and 4 feet tall by May 20th? I have one to threw out there, but i dont really wanna waste a pot if the yield isnt going to be proper. Im not the biggest Bubba fan but the results from a friends clones were top notch. Still, im pushing for 3 a pot.

I got 3.5 off the pre-98 in 200. it was rootbound in a 2 or 3 gallon when it went in on May 27th... maybe 2.5 feet tall. I think you stand a chance.

 

[nomaad]

Between shock, cold, root-bind and a completely inexperienced grower, this was all she had done by June 30th. I think better results could be achieved by a better grower and healthier plant. I have a couple of pre-98's vegging up for late season replacements.

 

[nomaad]

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[UnknownProphet]

You are the man nomaad and a constant inspiration. I wish your garden the very best and can't wait to help out in the end if you need any. I'm steadily keeping an eye on this thread and the ladies are coming along beautifully as expected with your skills. I want to throw plants outside so bad right now, but circumstances wouldn't allow me to dedicate the time I would want, so watching this come along is at least helping with my fiending for farming.

Hope all is well my friend.

~ʇǝɥdoɹPuʍouʞuU

 

[phatsesh]

do you keep the 4 pots on the 200gals like that allthe way or are they just preped for later?
i took cuttings off of some dirty moms (rootaphids) and threw them outside a couple days ago and im losing blades, looks kinda like flower onset. so ill supplement light for a while longer, it looks like you may have pulled out of the greenie already, not sure if your still llighting at night but just a heads up. looks great.
i just took some arjans haze#1 cuts, but anything substantial outdoors right now seems unlikely for me, although i would love to see what you can do with one, since i have yet to see her perform i cant comment but they are the most expensive seeds id ever seen and was curious why. nevillesXg13 cross is what lineage is i suspect. i thnk it also said 1500g in 10 gals. i only have a few, but if youd like one or 2 i would love to see the results. hopefully some blue night gets released soon, and we can do a big swap. any how looks great meng keep up the nice work.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

love this pic you'r livin the dream!

 

[feziuu]

oh my goodness nice !!

I'll be watching... Have a good season

 

[ROOTWISE]

Nomaad-

Looking good man, great size on those ladies. I'm in the same boat with a CROWDED room of plants, I feel your pain.

For hardening off, I use floating row cover for a day or two. Some people call it "remay". Easy to set-up a temporary tent with t-posts and get em ready for full-sun. Surprised they shocked like that especially after being in the dome...I'm sure they'll rock for ya either way.

Nice to see your place looking so good-

 

[nomaad]

Yeah... I am not worried about the tiny bit of shock... I have been gone for 3 days and the amount of growth since then in clearly visible. I left a couple of plants outside to see how they would do... I'll take some pics and report on them tomorrow.

I have decided to put the plants in their final pots on the 2nd day after the New Moon. May 18th. I am going to put a tester plant of each strain out out a few days earlier to see if they flower early.

Been a long weekend...

 

[FoxxyDoe]

Looking good Nomad... are you just gonna use black plastic for your blackout box's? I am still trying to decide what im gonna use.
The cheaper black/gray stuff like forever flowering has is still kinda expensive i think around 40 cent a sq ft.

 

[nomaad]

i am using super sun blocker tarps from www.creativeshelters.com PLUS a layer of 6mil black plastic. Just like last year. i am going to work out some kind of air exchange system to help with humidity this year. I would love to have purchased the breathable material from forever flowering ($2.12/sqft?) but the price was not right... I'd consider using that stuff in a serious installation, but not if its going to be laying around on the ground all day.

 

[.clunk]

I would love to have purchased the breathable material from forever flowering ($2.12/sqft?) but the price was not right... I'd consider using that stuff in a serious installation, but not if its going to be laying around on the ground all day.

Have you thought about making some kind of auto-furling system so it wouldn't have to sit in the dirt?
I've heard of one being built with simply a long piece of 2" or 3" black ABS pipe as the center of the spool, I'm pretty sure he used a small electric motor from some kind of used appliance..you get the idea.

I've heard of people around here with big greenhouses at the back of private properties who used batteries to power the motors, they didn't need to visit their rural properties for 7 days or so at a time and were doing 3 giant crops with thousands of small clones, sea of green style. Eventually the giant greenhouses caught the attention of a chopper and they got busted but where there is one, theres another and I'm sure alot of people are doing it.

 

[nomaad]

I have thought about a system like you describe (along with 30 other auto tarp pull concepts), but making the whole thing completely light proof is a bit trickier than just as system that rolls the tarp up... how do you make the ends light proof? I guess I could build walls on the ends that are light proof and then use the tarps on rollers... the walls then give me the perfect solution for ducting flanges... but there is still a matter of the light seal at the ground being 100% light-tight...

I do have a system I am developing but it would not work on this type of structure. Perhaps it will make its debut next season.

 

[nomaad]

Things are taking shape

Things are taking shape

OK... I have the hoop houses for the light dep built. I am trying to get 6.5x9'x18" smart "beds" made and shipped by the end of next week. (note. high caliper gets my highest of customer service props... they will have them out on MONDAY with my shipping method of choice. I could have them as early as wednesday if I pay 2-day. Ordered. You can probably get them cheaper thru your local dealer, but probably not faster. i also snuck in an order for 12x200 gallon 18" pots for my B garden @ $50 and got a 15% discount for going with 17" depth on all of them instead of 18". he must have a bunch of remnants in 17".)

If I cannot make that happen, I am going to use 300 gallon custom smarties and smash 8 of them in one of the hoop houses with 4-6 plants in each one. The other hoop house will probably be half big smarties or smartbeds and half 65 gallon smarties with some bigger plants in them. Thanks to Hashman for his help crunching the options the other day. I finally have a vision for the black boxes. One of them is going to run the smaller plants. Mostly Tahoe OG and Sour D. Hashman has also helped confirm that the OG I am running is the same as his Tahoe. And if anybody knows his hype-strains, its that guy. Unbelievable amount of information in his head. Nice to have that confirmed.

I digress. What has been stumping me is how to work the Cough into my schedule. I have about a dozen plants, but more than half of them are rootbound in 2 gallon Pots. I have 4 or 5 very happy and healthy in 5 gallon smarts that were meant for the greenhouse, full season... but now I am thinking that I will not have the sun to finish monsters in early Dec or late Nov if I am lucky...

My thinking now is to cull everything but enough moms to do a 300 sqft sea of green in the dome with a nice even canopy and a big fat circular light mover with 6x600's on it that will finish them off. The other possibility is to put larger Cough plants in the 65's into the light dep space once those come down and IMMEDIATELY start pulling tarp on them at the beginning of August. That has them finishing at the beginning of Nov, right around the time everything else comes down and, more importantly, right around when the sun becomes no-longer-viable for a lot of strains. Question is, is the cough like sour d and the headband I grew last year in that it needs good sun at the end to finish with a desirable density. The Blue Dream does fine at the end if it loses some of its hours of direct sunlight as the sun starts to pass behind some unfortunately located trees on the ridge in whose shadow my garden is situated.

Anyhow... late season black box has me pulling tarp on the 8's every day... but maybe I can stop come middle of september and let nature take over after a good forced start... hard to tell what any given strain might do. This would be a very cool time to receive a PM from the angel who gave me the Cough in the first place. Help me sort out this madness.

Cough Option 1: Put what I have into one of the black boxes and run it for headies in the first round of black boxes. Harvest would be around the end of August.

Option 2: Late season replacements in late July/early august. Pull tarp on em until they are done or nature can safely take over. Hoping for late october harvest.

Option 3: Sea of Green in the dome with serious (6x600 with circular light mover) supplemental lighting after optimal sun is lost.

Anyhow... I'll work it out. As always, your opinions are important to me.

Here are some photos...

So... this year's main garden. The hoop frame on the left (west black box) is going to have all the bigger plants in 65's along with a couple of Smartbeds full of smaller plants. The rectangular raised beds you see in the foreground will be a huge veggie garden full of last year's dirt. We just made one HUGE bed and threw those planks in... they could be moved anywhere and cut to any length to accommodate the bed size you require.

This is the most vigorous Bubba Kush I have ever seen. I ran the Pre98 last year and was given another couple this year... they are vegging up nice at another location... but nothing as vigorous as this. Really looking forward to see what happens with this one. I have this one in a 5 gallon and then two huge ones in 10 gallons... both destined for the big pots in the second (west) black box. I have no idea what Bubba this is or where it came from. It came to me with a bunch of "J1" plants that may or not be J1. (I have verified J1 on the way in the next week... too bad it won't make it into the black boxes.)

This hoophouse gets covered at night. Its full of the black box plants and a dozen or so larger Clueberries that got shocky and are at the head of line to get culled or given away to a garden with lower standards.