MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

Hey, Thank you brother, thank you. You too and everyone else.

Didn't forget about the above per se but have been wanting to stop in and get to last several things, but, working on quite a bit. Touched on above spring runs, light dep, yeah, not an option if guerrilla, but iof course, could very well be depending on site specifics and such, af's an option (or not if none), and, yeah, things trigger here and there (as you guys know regarding the supplemental lighting , but, unless working with something someone has a feel for, and knows well (has run it before), that can't be relied upon though.....

Of course hope all are well, and, should have stopped to get to the relevant/important matters, and of course extend wishes, but couldn't resist addressing quickly the 150w grower with so much to share .....

Hope all are well.....know all are underway........working on quite a bit myself (actually every different direction, every day, waiting to see which is the final. Very tiring actually, and, in the end? Just doing it a fraction of the work addressing it ..

Just waiting for final home and direction before continuing with anything....

 

[Julian]

I've been doing late season minis for the past 3 years since I first started reading this ginormous thread. Julian, you've done a great service w/ the wealth of info you've dropped on countless amounts of people including myself in regards to everything from minis to

Thanks man, and sorry for not getting to it sooner.

Yeah, as you see, I mean, mini's have their place, and can be a miraculous tool Of course related to the below is other bonus is open spaces (sun, circulation and such), which help out with density/moisture/mold issues......

Going to highlight points:

I'm at about 35 deg N, and have been putting out heavy yielding indicas usually around the first of august due to late planning. By Halloween they're 2-3', completely mature and ready to be chopped. I've had really great results for the most part, considering I just set and forget w/ all clones. This year I was able to get my ducks in a row, and have 2 3' trained moms that take up a full 4x4 under 1k watts. I'd really like to go ahead and take advantage of the thousand t/- clones I can take immediately. Big plants would be great, but w/ this strain it has shown every year that it loves to get mold in flowering. I know I can top them to help combat this problem, but I don't really like revisiting spots unless completely necessary. Basically, I'd love to utilize these next 6 months to the fullest w/o having to worry about moldy, preflowering, large plants that can be easily spotted. My strain is perfect for minis averaging 1/2-1 plus oz, and a 8 week flowering time outdoors. Is there a method to put them out now and send them straight into flowering(w/o revegging), thus having up to 3 possible harvests per plot, per season? Or knowing my circumstances, should I just crank up the co2, add a few more 1k's, and wait till about mid june to start cutting clones for mid-late season minis? I wish I had an af strain, but I've got to work w/ what I have. Thanks for any info you have for me!

Okay:
1. You've been doing Aug 1swt and has been working extremely well, hitting every target you have.
2. Light dep, AF's and premature triggering all great, but, not really applicable. (or are they? You may very well get things triggering if your running 24/0, but, again, since haven't run those specific scenarios with specific strain, not something, as above, that can be relied upon fully. (ie: Yeah, might very well, and, if 24/7, might help, but brings us full circle to the fact that very early, and, might end up revegging......)

3.Okay:
You say mid June with an Aug 1st target, which of course puts you at 6 weeks between the shave and throwing them out.

a. Only you know the growth rates and turnaround of that specific thing during the course of those 6. What have been previous turnaround times. (If sending them out earlier than previous years, of course, going to get some more size on them than have been in prior years.) Could also go with earlier, larger but fimmed/topped and such and might help a little, throw some extra weight on them, but also size in the process, and you already seem to be going fine, so...(if it isn't broke, you fix that shit, it will break it )

b. Not sure what schedules but as above could switch it over to 24/0, which while not being the complete overview, would be a factor which might assist also down the road....shaded spots might further, after a certain date might further. As always, the/an overview comprised of several minor factors which in any specific one in itself possible not significant enough, but combine several and might very well work. (Note: Might try an experiment with 1-2 to see)....

c. Could also use the extra 1k's to, after everything shaved down and prepping for out,hold some extras back and do quick in run also .....

Can also go through everything to see if your able to do spring runs in future, then your looking at a spring, a late, and go from there as far as planning on how to get one in between those for your target 3

Hope all are well and underway. I'm always around, but, just haven't said much cause nothing specific to say for the most part. Ready to go on numerous things....(yesterday)......and, as previous, sure everything going to drop at once and having me scrambling and ending up with no sleep till January

My wishes as always to all.......

 

[gonzo`]

Just a quick question about feeding... I'm going to be growin in the ground and not amending with anything... Its good soil but I grew in it last season and maybe the nutes are depleted?

I'm just going to use chemical ferts and do a feed, water, water sched.... My question is about pH... do I need to pH the feed or will the soil naturally buffer?

Thanks

 

[feziuu]

Calcium or fired wood for regulate pH.

 

[africanherbman1]

After posting I realized that we're already down to 14 hour days. I'm almost definent that as soon as they go out they will start flowering. I've already got a few full flats that I'm going to put out in a couple days to kind of test the waters as far as the lighting goes. I'm hoping that I can start putting them out immediately and all the way till the beginning of august. That way it will be more perpetual, as opposed to cropping all at once. I also believe that in june and july, the sun is much more intense in my location. So hopefully a little more growth and weight..

 

[Julian]

Just a quick question about feeding... I'm going to be growin in the ground and not amending with anything... Its good soil but I grew in it last season and maybe the nutes are depleted?

Well, quite possibly, but,I've wondered if it ever truly is,as have had lot of experiences where I assumed such, and then did test runs following to test that theory, and was quite a while until any deficiencies were displayed. Out, in, large, small, but then again, I do tend to push feeding a little hard/far (extremely in some cases). Not to mention quite a bit of time (and natural processes) that's gone by during that time, so, you never know. You might be surprised.

Scanning the above and before the below, question would also be, of course, what was schedule, amounts,method last year? (Heavy, light, chem, organics, dry, liquid, till when, and so on....)

I'm just going to use chemical ferts and do a feed, water, water sched.... My question is about pH... do I need to pH the feed or will the soil naturally buffer?
Thanks

I have to be honest, this had me thinking......I know I've done chem feeds in the past and did not (6-7 range to begin with) prior to application. When doing trips out, would always bring a little with, and same for planting, and latest favorite was GH FN, which I believe is chem. (I'm not under the impression organic), and, have also used it for prep for last several seasons in soil, not adjusted, so.

Was discussing today have been more and more organic over the years for the most part, not for any specific reason, and for some specific reasons at the same time, and, I sometimes also in the past have combined, which is something I tried to stop doing (ie: What's the purpose of going through all the trouble to just void all the work previously done......) Current stock on hand is varied.....PBP, EJ, GH GO/bio line(s). I also had that question regarding out use of coco (ie: 100%, adjusted, but, when just a prep ingredient, not.....)

Maybe someone will add something regarding it, but, I've used quite a bit of FN in soil out,and, never adjusted it once, and, results of course visible. (Of course, always some prep done in the first place (organics), but, an instant positive response following any kind of feeding I think can only be assumed due to such.

Forgive my tone by the way......not one out of anything but other matters occupying focus at the moment......

Note: Not sure of specific situation, location, access....if any or all allow for such, can always take it one way or another and monitor result and adjust as you see fit....

After posting I realized that we're already down to 14 hour days. I'm almost definent that as soon as they go out they will start flowering.

Well......that very well may be the case (on several levels), but the case is also they will increase until they start to decrease ( 2nd half June +/-?). ie: They very well may trigger, but not revegging and finishing another matter. (They may continue right through and finish, not impossible. My only point was can't necessarily rely upon it. You may have many different reasons for wanting different things....ie: What if target is to stay smaller and they reveg and they're not, etc.....)

Might work. 100%. (And then you know for future reference that specific thing will trigger early and finish), but might not, might reveg, and so on....

I've already got a few full flats that I'm going to put out in a couple days to kind of test the waters as far as the lighting goes. I'm hoping that I can start putting them out immediately and all the way till the beginning of august. That way it will be more perpetual, as opposed to cropping all at once. I also believe that in june and july, the sun is much more intense in my location. So hopefully a little more growth and weight..

I think July the month, no matter where....and as above (and above), only thing to do is try it. My only concern is, again, relying on the desired target, as not yet known. Might trigger, a lot of things do, but, again, might reveg, or might not, again . (Location and exposure could also dictate it going either way.)

Make no mistake...you can definitely keep putting them out until August , but every round triggering and continuing to finish another matter. You'll know soon enough, and, not impossible, but, my caution is only on relying on it. Depending on it. I've had quite a few things which pushed right through, and, some pretty impressive (should have kept, but no 24/7/365 veg at the time) Last year, or the year before (whatever), had some very nice things which went right through and ended up q'per baseball bats. Always a very nice early surprise. I'm just saying until tested, don't think all going to go straight through and be on schedule.

Hope all are well....hope all are safe.....and that's fine......but, not really the concern, is it?.....

This game, it's to stay that way until end of season...

I know......very exciting time.....nice weather for many......everything going well......

But don't forget the game....

You never see, or expect the worst coming....(because it always does when you don't)...so......We're here again....and I wish all a safe season.......and remind all to be very careful.......and I think for a moment about those who didn't make it through previous seasons......(some who I miss......very much.....one specifically I thought of like a brother......

And I think all should also.

The excitement....the fun.....the good things.......

The more there is/are, the harder it is to always (always) adhere to security and caution.

For many?......a "mistake" could cost your life/freedom...

Incorporate this into the beginning of every day until safely at end of season.....

Every day.

Yeah....I know.........soooo dramatic......

You think that's dramatic?.....maybe so......but I would say try watching someone and their family as they're sentenced.......

Now that's dramatic......

So's prison.......

I'd say with that being said, now we can get back to the fun again (until tomorrow morning, and the above...and then again the next morning....and then again before hitting locations.....etc....)

I would wish the same to my worst enemies.....

I wish all well........and hope all will proceed carefully.....and I wish the best season yet to everyone.......but please no one ever forget the above.......

It's not a game.

 

[InjectTruth]

Scanning the above and before the below, question would also be, of course, what was schedule, amounts,method last year? (Heavy, light, chem, organics, dry, liquid, till when, and so on....)

I have to be honest, this had me thinking......I know I've done chem feeds in the past and did not (6-7 range to begin with) prior to application. When doing trips out, would always bring a little with, and same for planting, and latest favorite was GH FN, which I believe is chem. (I'm not under the impression organic), and, have also used it for prep for last several seasons in soil, not adjusted, so.

Was discussing today have been more and more organic over the years for the most part, not for any specific reason, and for some specific reasons at the same time, and, I sometimes also in the past have combined, which is something I tried to stop doing (ie: What's the purpose of going through all the trouble to just void all the work previously done......) Current stock on hand is varied.....PBP, EJ, GH GO/bio line(s). I also had that question regarding out use of coco (ie: 100%, adjusted, but, when just a prep ingredient, not.....)

Maybe someone will add something regarding it, but, I've used quite a bit of FN in soil out,and, never adjusted it once, and, results of course visible. (Of course, always some prep done in the first place (organics), but, an instant positive response following any kind of feeding I think can only be assumed due to such.

Hey, Julian. Hope all is well in your end of the world. Cant wait to hear more details about coming back from a wallop with OPM (other peoples money).

In regards to the FN, I believe it is pH buffered. Add to that the organic prep, and you should have a stable pH for the season. Including worm castings, any mixes with added humates, and dolomite lime, pH will be less of concern as these amendments not only buffer pH, but also chelate nutrients, making them available at a wider range of pH swings. Organic amendments can sway pH down (blood meal) or up (bone meal), but as long as you use a healthy amount of humic/fulvic (humates) additions, pH shouldnt even cross your mind.

Now, you bring up a good point of why waste the time prepping organic if you are going to pour chems all over it and kill the micro herd. In a situation where you know that there is sufficient organic material present, its better to just add fulvic, molasses, compost tea or enzymatic products to preserve your microbial diversity while increasing the amount of currently chelated, dissolved, and available nutrients.

 

[Julian]

Hey, Julian. Hope all is well in your end of the world. Cant wait to hear more details about coming back from a wallop with OPM (other peoples money).

Thanks man, you and everyone else as well. Just hard at work brother, the sheer range just ridiculous. In the end?, I do find comfort in everything will end as it should. This is a certainty. So.......mere tool of the universe I am (we all are), and, I accept that. I'm good with that , no matter where that may lead. Wish could share. Amazing stuff. Truly. If everything works as I would like?, I think would be am amazing thing, and might be very proud.....(haven't thought about that until this second)...

In regards to the FN, I believe it is pH buffered. Add to that the organic prep, and you should have a stable pH for the season. Including worm castings, any mixes with added humates, and dolomite lime, pH will be less of concern as these amendments not only buffer pH, but also chelate nutrients, making them available at a wider range of pH swings. Organic amendments can sway pH down (blood meal) or up (bone meal), but as long as you use a healthy amount of humic/fulvic (humates) additions, pH shouldnt even cross your mind.

Well, the FN specifically but we don't know exactly what he's using, and, of course, might range and vary with amendments (and amounts). But then again, what he is using may very well not make a difference, as really, I'm sure there is no combination that someone here hasn't done (brand/line, method, etc), so...

Now, you bring up a good point of why waste the time prepping organic if you are going to pour chems all over it and kill the micro herd. In a situation where you know that there is sufficient organic material present, its better to just add fulvic, molasses, compost tea or enzymatic products to preserve your microbial diversity while increasing the amount of currently chelated, dissolved, and available nutrients.

Point above is what changed my views and opinions. All that work and thought, to of course void all my work and thought, and, also, the given specific site. (Just a personal note of course. Any and all do different things, and that's fine. Was actually here , over the past couple years which converted me....)

I've always found the organic vs. chem arguments of great interest, and, to me, the end matter of fact point is really what changed me over (not to mention all the work done to void it angle).

 

[argoagro]

Hey Jule's, question regarding the backend/kickbacks when buying a home.....

Is it illegal? Because I was running a few scenarios by someone and mentioned this and she stated that it was illegal. I'm not sure if she understood me that the backend payments would NOT be directly to me and instead to my construction business for renovations.

So if it is illegal (sure it won't stop me, if anything the opposite, lol lol lol ) what's the best way to bring it up or plan of attack in finder a 'friendly' realtor if none are known?

 

[Julian]

I would say to consult the appropriate attorney as to what you wish to do, and go from there until you find a way that you find suitable for you.

On that note, to anyone who hasn't heard "The Lemmy Frog Joke". Please. Do.

 

[InjectTruth]

Wow, lol. You've been waiting to pull that one out of your hat for a while huh? Just waiting for the right opportunity, hahaaha. Amazing tie in.

A little more on organic mixes. I have been using an organic mix (two actually, one veg based and one bloom based) indoors that allows me to feed only water (and molasses) for the entire life cycle, including an extended veg period (just did a run in 5 gals that vegged over six weeks, and full 8 week bloom period with no deficiencies, hardly any yellowing even).

3.8cf bale of promix bx w/mycorise pro (or just peat and perlite)
20 lbs of worm castings
2 bags of ocean forest
Espoma plant tone and bio tone (2-3 tbs per gallon each, but can go higher, up to 1 cup per gallon of bio tone)
rainbow mix (2 - 3 tbs per gallon either veg or bloom depending on your needs, can go half and half)
blood meal (1tbs per gallon)
dolomite lime (2 - 3 tbs per gallon)
additional perlite to taste


some info on some of the constituents

"Rainbow Mix Grow

Rainbow Mix Grow (5-5-2) is an all-purpose organic fertilizer specially formulated to promote vigorous growth during all phases of plant and tree development. A complete formula with macro and micro nutrients. Work Rainbow Mix Grow into soil prior to planting or apply to the soil around plants. Use 4 - 8 lbs. per 100 sq ft. For container plants, use 2-4 tablespoons per gallon of soil. Naturally time-released, you need only apply 1 - 2 times a season. For more aggressive growth, reapply every 4 weeks.

Derived from bat guano, sea kelp, feather meal, soft rock phosphate, langbeinite, cottonseed meal, montmorillonite, steamed bone meal, natural potash, and a variety of beneficial mycorrhizae for the healthiest growth possible."

"Rainbow Mix Bloom

A fine-tuned organic fertilizer that's easy to use! Rainbow Mix Bloom (1-9-2) with mycorrhizae is formulated to encourage a profusion of flowers and abundant yields of fruits and veggies. Apply prior to and during budding, flowering and fruiting. Apply to all outside plants in the fall to help protect root systems through the winter. Use 4 - 8 lbs. Rainbow Mix Bloom per 100 sq. ft. For container plants, use 2-4 tablespoons per gallon of soil.

Derived from bat guano, sea kelp, steamed bone meal, langbeinite, soft rock phosphate, feather meal, cottonseed meal, natural potash and a variety of beneficial mycorrhizae. "

"Plant-tone®
5-3-3

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
The Espoma Company • 6 Espoma Road, Millville, NJ 08332

Total Nitrogen . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5.0%
0.4%. . . . Ammoniacal Nitrogen
1.6%. . . . Water Soluble Nitrogen
3.0%. . . . Water Insoluble Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.0%
Soluble Potash (K2O). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.0%
Calcium (Ca) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.0%
Magnesium (Mg). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.0%
0.6%. . . . Water Soluble Magnesium
Sulfur (S). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.0%

Derived from: Hydrolyzed Feather Meal, Pasteurized
Poultry Manure, Cocoa Meal, Bone Meal, Alfalfa Meal,
Greensand, Humates, Sulfate of Potash, and Sulfate of
Potash Magnesia.
*Contains 3.0% Slow Release Nitrogen.

Non Plant Food Ingredients:
Contains 3,804,705 colony forming units (CFU’s) per lb.

(253,647 CFU’s per lb. of each of the following 15 species):
Acidovorax facillis Marinibacillus marinus
Arthrobacter agilis Paenibacillus lentimorbus
Bacillus licheniformis Paenibacillis polymyxa
Bacillus megaterium Pseudomonas alcaligenes
Bacillus oleronius Pseudomonas chlororaphis
Bacillus pumilis Pseudomonas putida
Bacillus subtilis Rhodococcus rhodochorus
Bacillus thuringiensis

While fertilizer materials have unlimited shelf life, the
beneficial microbes in this product are best used within two
years of the production date (see side panel for production
date). After that time their numbers may be reduced."

"Bio-tone® Starter Plus 4-3-3

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Total Nitrogen (N) ....................................................................4.0%
0.3 Water Soluble Nitrogen
3.4% Water Insoluble Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5) ....................................................3.0%
Soluble Potash (K2O) ..............................................................3.0%
Calcium (Ca) ............................................................................4.0%
Total Magnesium (Mg) ............................................................1.0%
0.6%...Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)
Sulfur (S) ................................................................................2.0%
2.0%...Combined Sulfur (S)

Derived from: Hydrolyzed Feather Meal, Pasteurized Poultry Manure, Cocoa
Meal, Bone Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Greensand, Humates, Sulfate of Potash, and
Sulfate of Potash Magnesia.

Non-Plant Food Ingredients:
Contains 1,341 colony forming units (CFU’s) per gram of bacillus proven to enhance
plant growth.
Ectomycorrhizal Fungi: 97,440 propagules/gram of 8 species:
Endomycorrhizal Fungi: 2.640 propagules per gram of 2 species:"

 

[InjectTruth]

Just found this as well. Apparently, soil moist crystals now come in an "organic blend" version as well.

"Soil Moist Organic Blend is formulated from six species of a beneficial microbial blend of rhizosphere bacteria, humic acid, sea kelp extract, dextrose and yeast extracts. "

check out http://www.soilmoist.com/products/soil-moist-plus.php

they have a whole bunch of new products that are giving my brain a tickle right now. Look under Products>Professional Products>Commercial Growing

 

[Julian]

Wow, lol. You've been waiting to pull that one out of your hat for a while huh? Just waiting for the right opportunity, hahaaha. Amazing tie in.

Nah....for some reason just occurred to me

A little more on organic mixes. I have been using an organic mix (two actually, one veg based and one bloom based) indoors that allows me to feed only water (and molasses) for the entire life cycle, including an extended veg period (just did a run in 5 gals that vegged over six weeks, and full 8 week bloom period with no deficiencies, hardly any yellowing even).

3.8cf bale of promix bx w/mycorise pro (or just peat and perlite)
20 lbs of worm castings
2 bags of ocean forest
Espoma plant tone and bio tone (2-3 tbs per gallon each, but can go higher, up to 1 cup per gallon of bio tone)
rainbow mix (2 - 3 tbs per gallon either veg or bloom depending on your needs, can go half and half)
blood meal (1tbs per gallon)
dolomite lime (2 - 3 tbs per gallon)
additional perlite to taste

You know, the Epsoma mentioned earlier, and, I thought/was pretty sure use(d) it, and, afterwards realized one of the things I get loads of and like from standard retail centers.(Wal Marts, Home Depot and such...)....WC's also, and, have used rainbow (all on out preps)....so, fairly similar to the dry mixes have used in past sometimes...(When at all possible, always better to grab something from simply a walk in retail.....as opposed to any kind of specialized retail .....and, rapidly growing in's lately been also doing Molasses...(Guanos, Molasses and things of the sort.....for various reasons....) Actually,fresh in my mind because a shopping spree for the outs pretty much underway .....WC's of course hit and miss.....sometimes I wander into places with multiple pallets, and sometimes nowhere to be found....(When I do of course, I take all that is physically possible ...sorry to anyone who meets an empty spot where they were..... )

Glad to hear your in's coming along...I've actually been running more and more lately,and maybe more, and, for various reasons have been leaning that direction, and, working quite well and surprised since have used same soil for multiple rounds and no problems yet overall...(As above, Molasses and guanos, organic liquids and such, etc.....)

And, please......watch the frogs.....ya see what it'll get cha ....

Just found this as well. Apparently, soil moist crystals now come in an "organic blend" version as well.

"Soil Moist Organic Blend is formulated from six species of a beneficial microbial blend of rhizosphere bacteria, humic acid, sea kelp extract, dextrose and yeast extracts. "

they have a whole bunch of new products that are giving my brain a tickle right now. Look under Products>Professional Products>Commercial Growing

Yeah, I had seen those, reading about them, and, prior to that didn't know they had them.......if came across, would probably grab and throw in the mix, but, you know, trying to stay local as much as possible for things.....(Thanks btw, you just reminded me to check how much crystals I'm sitting on ....know some, just not sure how much......(at all actually....going to check that today).....

Yeah...I had seen those.....(of course good mention above for anyone who hasn't)....and, of note, think I had seen the line carried in a couple ACE hardware a while back....(Last season was searching for something......forgot...and hitting any and every place which might have anything garden related......Little expensive though....but I guess if not doing super bulk, no biggie......

 

[swicker]

I see you're back at it for more, this I like to see.

 

[Molson]

729 page affidavit for 41 warrants... in regards to the marijuana ring in Orange County, FL that was busted recently. Pages upon pages of recorded convos... etc. Figured I'd post it here.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2010/0304/22743602.pdf

 

[nugga-boo]

Just want to say congratz Julian on 500k views. I'm a little late though almost 501k lol. I've been with you from the days of FM on the indoor thread. Keep it rocking and stay safe.

 

[argoagro]

Read thread start to finish, and dug for it recently also, regarding fertilizing your starts could you go into that a little more? I gotchya on the close to 1k mh's, watered from bottom, etc. But all you've really said about feeding starts is that you start as early as when they crack IIRC.

Thanks.

 

[nugga-boo]

Julian claims that he is a chronic over-feeder.

 

[420fied]

Much respect Julian. You have helped me more than you will ever know.

 

[Julian]

Just want to say congratz Julian on 500k views. I'm a little late though almost 501k lol. I've been with you from the days of FM on the indoor thread. Keep it rocking and stay safe.

I had to go back and look because I was certain there was more than 500 ....(missed the k...was thinking "Oh well...I offered what I could ...)

Thank you man, and, I hope yourself and all others do also....as a little earlier.....easy to forget the darker side of it...very easy.....but it's always out there.......always......24/7/365......

Was talking to someone about racism in the south/southwest yesterday..(I'm not in the least...everyone just wants to survive, ya know....), and, mentioned to them the flip side of it..(LE-growers)....and how similar.....such hate and contempt some have....for?......a fuckin gardener? (I think what I used was more like "a fuckin gardener with twinkies in his fuckin pocket" ...)

Thank you though......that you found of use, and of interest....always (since OG) really only intention....you know.....if I could provide something that might help another in any way whatsoever....I mean.....really all I ever had an interest in....and, as always, humbled and grateful I am able to...Just glad able to provide such (as opposed to not able to in the first place even if wanted to.....)

I do though wish all a good and safe season....and best to families.....this was always my most favorite time of year.....always...(fuck the finished shots.....prep shots always have been my favorite.....finished means done and over.....prep?....just gettin started .....)

Much respect Julian. You have helped me more than you will ever know.

I'm honored at such, and, likewise from me, to all, of course.

I'm humbled, sincerely, and thank you for the kind words. My pleasure to be of assistance in any way, shape or form, and, as always, glad able to.........really.......I hope for the chance to be able to do such in the future.

Thank you........truly......

Read thread start to finish, and dug for it recently also, regarding fertilizing your starts could you go into that a little more? I gotchya on the close to 1k mh's, watered from bottom, etc. But all you've really said about feeding starts is that you start as early as when they crack IIRC.
Thanks.

Currently the shelf is GH FN Grow/PBP Grow for soil/EJ Catalyst/EJ grow/EJ micro. Also have some PBP LK and Blackstrap, going to run a quick check on use in early veg.

Yes. I actually soak pellets in a pre mix (sort of....exact procedure I do is arrange all pellets in trays, eyed extremely minor amounts of any or all (depending on mood, lately, the tiniest amount of all....) and then start to filland hydrate with a sprayer, focusing on the nutes first and then filling and mixing left to right, and then drain excess (which dilutes a little also...ie: overfill and drain)...Note: The first thought is of course to pre mix in a specific measured container, but then of course the issue is it's superior to hydrate pellets from the top...hence spraying from overhead as compared to just making a mix and filling trays..(anyone can try, side by side......filled from bottom, one will then have to pour water/mix over top to fully expand, so, with arranged trays, I hydrate from the top down, after hydrated, from bottom up....

Note: I also leave maybe....1/4" in bottom, and, my refill is when bottoms are almost dry, but, after roots start breaking through into tray (not that long, at all..days), then I maintain anywhere from 1/4"-1/2" in bottoms of trays and might increase, but, if see signs, then back it back off or do a run plain water and resume.

Lately, due to various aspects (specific matters), have been doing domes and flouros for germing and first 2 weeks or so of veg, and, of course, as conditions change, so does diet, so, the flouros have found me backing off quite a bit....(T-5's). Of course, not the same dietary as 3-5"s 12" under 1k's, so.....(but I may very well be switching over to the 1k's and close shortly, and, will again adjust, maybe in several ways depending on the specifics of what it is and where they are going etc.......ie: 3" ers, vs. 5" ers, vs. the largest pellets, etc....and 1k's, etc.....any and every change and nuances going to affect diet, so....

Yeah. That's what I do above....(and that's when newly cracked are placed in the hydrated pellets, hydrated with very, very light mix of the above......)

Not watered from bottom per se. Pellets?, I wait until bottom of trays are close to "dry" (still a film of water....but no change of color/lacking moisture.....due to roots start growing into tray, along channels and such, so.....(pellets are never dry btw.....ever....) In those situations, no matter what size pellets and no matter what sized trays (be it 80 per tray or 600 per tray), I do just fill the trays to about 25-30% of pellet height....which is absorbed fairly quick and maybe a 1/4" remains, etc....addressed with pics earlier in thread for the oxygen/roots school....same concept as swamp growing....ie: as long as a good majority is above ground (aeration), roots will just grow into trays, beautiful solid white, etc.....

Peat pots, slightly different. In those cases I do water each from the top, and when done, leave a 1/2" or so in tray.....bottom of tray will, most of the time depending on space conditions, be at just a film sometimes before soil in containers is dry, and, once that cycle begun, then I continue as above, just filling the trays maybe 1/2", sometimes even an inch depending on the numbers and sizes in the trays. I've actually put up to several inches in trays before taking them out, only to find it all almost absorbed and drank by arriving at planting sites, so...

Anyway....same as every and any other aspect....I just keep an eye on em, and, throw in a little planning ahead.....What started me on such actually was sometimes not going to a veg place for several days, and, didn't want to come back to bone dry and such, and, they were actually thriving in it,so....I just kept doing it and went from there.....I believe this all first couple pages though, so, don't want to repeat, dwell, etc.....all basic matters.....

Julian claims that he is a chronic over-feeder.

Have we grilled? .....I thought that's what it was all about?

I've actually backed off a little in last year or so to try and maintain a more balanced level, but, once they get going, especially in ground, I'll probably always be guilty, as, don't think have ever burned anything in ground and underway in my entire life.....especially the bigger and farther they get.....had some things back when mentioned, and, really, most would probably be shocked how much I was throwing at them ....(granted, mostly as of recent organics, so....and lot of top feeds and such....)





Hope all are well....and, as above, doing well.....families well......

I really haven't added anything, because really nothing to say....some ways great, some ways far from....doing some things, not doing others.....so.....left this in the first place instead of killing it off because some wanted to read through, so, disappearing it in response would have been selfish, so....

I do appreciate it, and, glad to help, but,really would rather it just be left for people to finish if they like....don't really know what or where or when everything going.....just so, so tired....exhausted......frustrated.....have my moments of joy and excitement, but, less and less lately.....but, I'm happy for all who are proceeding along accordingly with the time of year.....of course I know it well ...even if never did anything ever again....don't think could ever forget it, even if I wanted to ......the feeling of it all......only 6 months from last right now, and, to me?....seems like several lifetimes.......just lifetimes away.....

Still just taking it all, 100 directions, day by day....trying to do whatever I can, when I can, where and how (hmm...sounds familiar ).....trying to keep the Kimber in mouth madness of it all at bay ...(Just a joke illustrating exhaustion and on again, off again frustration....know plenty who would have gargled draino 8 months ago ....) Grow stuff, in stuff, out stuff, business stuff, family stuff, home stuff....24/7 all at the same time....

Growing (as I remember ) more therapy I think than most give it credit for on the surface (physically and maybe also the mental aspects of planning)........and then I think and laugh that all growers are Zen, whether they know it or not ......ie: Zen exercise: Dig a hole, fill it up ......

I am grateful for the chance to share and assist anyone.....what it's all about right?......and, maybe one day will be able to again......(I just feel that if I'm not in it ass deep as previous, that I have no "right" to speak/comment on it....I don't really believe in that on some levels......to me, such is for when I'm done with it......if the free time, so.......

Have in's/in's planned, have many outs but not really prepped and started yet, (might be, might not) so.....been swamped and occupied with related matters, of course...pushing certain things....Just all now seems so far away and distant.....as above.....I miss it like it was lifetimes ago......lifetimes......feels so long ago, I wonder if even ever happened......know it did....but, so different from today......in many ways......

(Of course, the positive die hard obsessive hardcore sick workaholic fuck in me would say otherwise , but....ehhh, you guys all know how he can be .....

Really my pleasure to offer what I can of use to anyone.....I believe such an honor more than a right/duty....glad I had the chance to.....honored to be a part of such a community....(although if I'm not ass deep.....I feel I'm not......I feel much less so.....and a shame, because lately feel this my only true "community"....I have many other interests and such in life, but.....it's not....you know...like this world......it's much different......people are much different in all other areas of life......most not very pleasant in the end.....no sense of "community".....(music used to be similar, but, not anymore.....no one really cares beyond their own shit about anyone else's, no one helps another, cares.....doesn't matter anymore......used to....not anymore though......)

My best wishes to all......may all experience sweat, mud and blood........this is, to me, the greatest wish I could bestow upon such a group.....

Who knows...maybe right there with ya's shortly..(have like....5-6 good fuckin spots out ready to go and several more in's....)

Sweat, Mud and Blood to all .....

For some reason, that made me think of:
"What's the difference between Santa and Tiger Woods"....

"Santa stops at 3 ho's"