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5000 barrels a day of oil (210,000 gallons) leak off the coast of Louisiana
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Man 11 pages of finger pointing and a few posts regarding possible solutions.
Man do we all work for the state road crew now?
For all of you projecting whats gonna happen this and that GUESS WHAT it's going to happen plain and simple.
How the world as a whole has allowed this to go on for so long is simply sickening.
One man said BP should be seized. Well that would be a start but the damage has and is going to be done for the next century if not longer.
Shrimp as we know it ARE GONE. The coastal vacation industry GONE The fishing industry GONE.
Are reward for the catastrophe? Higher prices at the pump and eventually higher taxes to pay for the clean up some how.
So let's get this correct,in the 60's we put men on the moon. If you take all the computer systems needed to do that back then they are not as powerful as a PS3 NO SHIT but we as a world cannot go down a mile in the ocean and cap a broken pipe after all this time? BULLSHIT
Nobody has cared enough to get involved. They have spent the last few weeks pointing fingers and making predictions rather than getting a solution.
FLEETS of ships have been lost in the Bermuda Triangle by the same way this well went down and still after all we know they still cannot find a solution quickly? BULLSHIT
Billions will be made by them because of this. They will get paid for the clean up and will will pay them at the pump for their ignorance.
IMHO this will be a true test of our Presidents motives. If he simply says we gotta fix this and months go by and all we get our words we are SCREWED. If he BITCH SLAPS THOSE RESPONSIBLE and FINALLY holds them accountable for their actions were only screwed for 50-100 years.
You see that the point all,it's done it's happened and the damage is ONLY GONNA GET WORSE.
We are already screwed ALL OF US.
What happens in the coming weeks will only curtail for how long.
Sad But True
Mr.Wags
Man do we all work for the state road crew now?
For all of you projecting whats gonna happen this and that GUESS WHAT it's going to happen plain and simple.
How the world as a whole has allowed this to go on for so long is simply sickening.
One man said BP should be seized. Well that would be a start but the damage has and is going to be done for the next century if not longer.
Shrimp as we know it ARE GONE. The coastal vacation industry GONE The fishing industry GONE.
Are reward for the catastrophe? Higher prices at the pump and eventually higher taxes to pay for the clean up some how.
So let's get this correct,in the 60's we put men on the moon. If you take all the computer systems needed to do that back then they are not as powerful as a PS3 NO SHIT but we as a world cannot go down a mile in the ocean and cap a broken pipe after all this time? BULLSHIT
Nobody has cared enough to get involved. They have spent the last few weeks pointing fingers and making predictions rather than getting a solution.
FLEETS of ships have been lost in the Bermuda Triangle by the same way this well went down and still after all we know they still cannot find a solution quickly? BULLSHIT
Billions will be made by them because of this. They will get paid for the clean up and will will pay them at the pump for their ignorance.
IMHO this will be a true test of our Presidents motives. If he simply says we gotta fix this and months go by and all we get our words we are SCREWED. If he BITCH SLAPS THOSE RESPONSIBLE and FINALLY holds them accountable for their actions were only screwed for 50-100 years.
You see that the point all,it's done it's happened and the damage is ONLY GONNA GET WORSE.
We are already screwed ALL OF US.
What happens in the coming weeks will only curtail for how long.
Sad But True
Mr.Wags
Public exectution for those responsible, and the seizing of BP in it's entirety, with any and all profits generated by said company in the future going to clean-up, financial aid for those who have lost their livelihood and rebuilding/restoring what they destroyed.....
sounds fair to me.
sounds fair to me.
I went and did a little diggin,billions of gallons of oil are being dumped into the ocean every year,every day,by GOD!!!!!
I hate to fuckin say it,but Hoosier is RIGHT,this aint shit!!!!
Talk about sensationalism and mis leading the public!!
The shit ya never knew about huh....Thanks Hoosier
Fuckin liein piece a shit news,EVERY SINGLE ONE!!!
Its ALL about the dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seizure of BP? Is that a joke, or a call to more fascism by this administration? You really think the instant the government takes over BP it will ever be profitable? Wrong. It will instantly be in the red forever, increasing in the red exponentially each year. Also, the government is the largest polluer on earth, so BP will instanly be the largest polluter on earth. The government has a VERY few enumerated powers. "Government Oil Company" isn't one of them.
Twice an Exxon Valdez spill worth of oil seeps into the Gulf of Mexico every year.
But the oil isn't destroying habitats or wiping out ocean life. The ooze is a natural phenomena that's been going on for many thousands of years, according to Roger Mitchell, Vice President of Program Development at the Earth Satellite Corporation (EarthSat) in Rockville Md. "The wildlife have adapted and evolved and have no problem dealing with the oil," he said.
Earth Satellite Corporation scientists found that there are over 600 different areas where oil oozes from rocks underlying the Gulf of Mexico.
Amazing shit,the ONE in Cali dumps 80 times the exxon valdez into the ocean yearly!!80 times!!
And they want us to believe this one is horrible,up until an hour ago I was sold that it was a horrible problem,BILLIONS of gallons of oil have been being pumped into the oceans DAILY since time began,we been eatin shrimp and oysters and fish for all that time too no........
EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT REPORT IS A LIE!
EVERY THING THEY TELL US IS A LIE!
ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND HOW MUCH THEY CAN MAKE,period!!!
But the oil isn't destroying habitats or wiping out ocean life. The ooze is a natural phenomena that's been going on for many thousands of years, according to Roger Mitchell, Vice President of Program Development at the Earth Satellite Corporation (EarthSat) in Rockville Md. "The wildlife have adapted and evolved and have no problem dealing with the oil," he said.
Earth Satellite Corporation scientists found that there are over 600 different areas where oil oozes from rocks underlying the Gulf of Mexico.
Amazing shit,the ONE in Cali dumps 80 times the exxon valdez into the ocean yearly!!80 times!!
And they want us to believe this one is horrible,up until an hour ago I was sold that it was a horrible problem,BILLIONS of gallons of oil have been being pumped into the oceans DAILY since time began,we been eatin shrimp and oysters and fish for all that time too no........
EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT REPORT IS A LIE!
EVERY THING THEY TELL US IS A LIE!
ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND HOW MUCH THEY CAN MAKE,period!!!
First of all, I dont really buy that because that "natural seepage" is allegedly over 60000 gallons a day and as of right now, the oil spill we have is at 250,000 gallons a day (reported). That is about 1/4 the amount of oil per day, and this has been going on for god knows how long? I dont buy it.
And even if it is remotely true, 60000 gal a day of oil is much easier for the ocean to handle then 250,000 gallons.
And oil kills the wildlife, dont let anyone fool you into thinking otherwise. I have seen first hand what it does.
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You know, they can and are making "plastics" out of "renewable" resources.
Oil plastic wasn't the best until it was advanced. Who do you think stops technological advancement of batteries and solar energy and other fuels? Oil is not the key to power here on earth.
You are right, we need a VIABLE source before we switch. But lets not fool ourselves. Oil is a TERRIBLE energy source and we have been duped into being" dependent" on it.
Why are you so insulting anyways? Im sure you're wrong on many things you hear. You're just spewing off stuff that you heard anyways, you didn't come up with any of it yourself. Stop acting so self righteous.
Did you know Ford made his car to run off Cannabis fuel? Did you know DIESEL motors made his car to run off BIO fuel not less refined crude oil.
Diesel fuel these days is less refined oil (because of the oil companies). But Mr. Diesel made his diesel engines run off of bio fuel. We dont need oil for everything.
You have been indoctrinated into thinking oil is our only option, even if just for now.
Hahahaha
I'm sure the Queen would laugh right in Obama's face if there was even a hint of discussion about the "seizure" (aka nationalization) of BP. BP = British Petroleum, and is owned primarily by the British Crown.
Shame what's happening down there in the Gulf.
Wait a minute now...how am I brainwashed by anything I have provided?
And who is it that is not looking at reality? Reality, Sir, is the bottom line of my argument. Folks are ready to throw out oil all together because of this spill in the gulf. I say we have had a very, very good track record at such a thing, and this was an anomaly.
I also point out that the volume of this spill is very minute in the whole scope of things.
Not to say that what has happened isn't a bad thing, but I have a suspicion that the catastrophe may be a bit overrated. Especially when some have political points to score with the issue. And the media has also been known to slightly exaggerate a story for a pushing headline.
And I am not saying we shouldn't be trying to work new forms of renewable energy sources. That is what we are all about.
But they do not exist at this point. Nor do I see them being put into place when the do exist. (ala nuclear energy)
But just as this place is a good example of knee-jerk reactionary opinions, without much action to back up the stances, so goes the nation. And I highly doubt that the US really has the sack to do anything much in the way of actually doing what they talk.
I mean, hey...the worst man on the planet..you know, GW Bush...that dickhead made a suggestion to the nation during his tenure that was completely ignored and not given any credence at all...yet what he suggested was spot on and brilliant.
All his suggested was that we as a nation observe and obey our speed limit laws, and we would collectively as a nation save use between 10%-30% less oil. 10%-30% REDUCTION OF OIL USAGE!
And the guy was right. Spot fucking on right...and I would like someone who thinks they are real smart to show us how he is not stating a way for our nation to do something drastic.
But..it would involve having to drive the speed limit. Can't have that now can we?
Hey, you folks can sit back and think of how cranky and mean I appear to come off and feel your disgust for my stances, and I could give a shit. All I see is a lot of shit slinging at the wrong people and for the wrong reasons around here. Hell, I see it everywhere I go. The US is being eaten up by the dumbass.
I for one am tired of seeing such stupid shit coming out of the mouths of people that should be intelligent.
It is no wonder we are so fucked up.
Frozenguy, I am insulting because what I am responding to is insulting.
And you can spout all you want about bio diesel, but I suggest you do some research to see if that is a viable option. May want to brush up on math too, because it may be math that brings the light to your eyes.
And you can spout all you want about bio diesel, but I suggest you do some research to see if that is a viable option. May want to brush up on math too, because it may be math that brings the light to your eyes.
Bio diesel may not be a viable option this instant, but thats because not enough research is put into. There has been and is way more research into petroleum based products because the oil companies have more money then even they know what to do with. They have been making their product better and better.
We need to, as a country, do more research on alternative energy sources. I think you'll see that there is infact a huge jump in research already because people are pissed and they know there is better/cleaner energy out there. It just needs to be developed. And the development has been severely hindered/prohibited by the oil companies, which is extremely logical as they want to make money and the more oil they sell, the more money they get.
We dont have the infrastructure to switch to electric cars or bio diesel, or hydrogen. But we need to start constructing it now. The technology is out there, it just needs to be developed, like how oil got to be developed. Oil wasn't the main energy source like it is today. It only is today because its been pushed (in different aspects) by really wealthy people.
And what is wrong with my math? Where?
There is no viable form of alternative energy, such as ethanol or biodiesel, that can sustain us. The logistics are just not there to make it happen, and math can help to show people this.
And it is easy to say we need to do more...or, bio diesel isn't viable because not enough research was put into it. But the fact is that math, as I stated before, will show that it isn't a matter of research...it's logistics. If I have to explain that further, maybe I should just save the ascii?
It was oil companies that came up with ways to save on our oil consumption. Although many like you want to throw stones at them and make baseless charges about how they conduct their activities, or even how much money they have and how they spend it.
And I highly doubt you are up on the regulations and other hamstrings that bind the oil industry. It is easy to show a big profit (that simple minded folks get all in a jealous tizzy over) when the government controls what and how you can or cannot spend your money.
But then that is another issue that many have no fucking clue about.
Back to my point about the oil companies and their research and development....
It was big oil that developed synthetic oils. You know..like mobileone motor oil?
These formulations can and will last up to FIVE TIMES LONGER than conventional group3 oils. Now why would big oil go and provide a product that can outlast their previously best seller by so much? Would that move show them out for control of the crude oil business and attempting to keep us strapped to it?
Educate yourself...and stop being hateful towards those who happen to have looked into these things. Or...continue to knee-jerk. (shrug)
And it is easy to say we need to do more...or, bio diesel isn't viable because not enough research was put into it. But the fact is that math, as I stated before, will show that it isn't a matter of research...it's logistics. If I have to explain that further, maybe I should just save the ascii?
It was oil companies that came up with ways to save on our oil consumption. Although many like you want to throw stones at them and make baseless charges about how they conduct their activities, or even how much money they have and how they spend it.
And I highly doubt you are up on the regulations and other hamstrings that bind the oil industry. It is easy to show a big profit (that simple minded folks get all in a jealous tizzy over) when the government controls what and how you can or cannot spend your money.
But then that is another issue that many have no fucking clue about.
Back to my point about the oil companies and their research and development....
It was big oil that developed synthetic oils. You know..like mobileone motor oil?
These formulations can and will last up to FIVE TIMES LONGER than conventional group3 oils. Now why would big oil go and provide a product that can outlast their previously best seller by so much? Would that move show them out for control of the crude oil business and attempting to keep us strapped to it?
Educate yourself...and stop being hateful towards those who happen to have looked into these things. Or...continue to knee-jerk. (shrug)
And everyone is using synthetic oil right? And the oil companies solution to save on oil was not to speed? Is that a joke? They knew no one would stop speeding.
Dick Cheney used to run a massive oil/oil involved corp and then he was vice president of the US. Bush has countless ties to oil.. And the bush family got their war in the middle east. You know what never mind, you're right. They have our best interests at heart...
And you really dont think we can make a fuel from hydrogen? And you think we need more trucks to transport hydrogen around then oil? I mentioned bio diesel but dont start thinking that is the only other option. Look at Helium 3 on the moon. We could of been harvesting that since the seventies if we knew it was there. We have known about it for almost three decades and have we done anything about it? No. One spaceship full of that stuff could power our entire EARTH for a YEAR with virtually no pollution. Our nuclear facilities could handle it with minor modification.
There is a reason we are on oil, and it is not because there isn't another way. Its because we choose not to for one reason or another. I keep hearing from you the math says there is no other option then oil. That is silly if that is what you are saying.
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We have oil because the oil industry has enough lobbying power to buy lawmakers, thus law that favors their continued operations/profits.
If you think annual seepage is bad, you're right. If you think nature has the ability to dissipate seepage on it's own, you're right. But the industry is responsible for acute seepage, not nature. Natural seepage doesn't have a global straw in it's belly that sucks it's contents and spills it back into the environment.
If you think the Gulf disaster is below or on par with global seepage you're bean counting. When you look at oil related ecological disasters, check out how many of them are attributable to seepage. If it's industrial seepage, it's not natural and thus can't be blamed on nature as if it would happen regardless of man's involvement.
Scientists estimate approximately 26,000 gallons of crude sludge remain trapped between layers of rock and pulverized rock beneath the beaches and shoreline of Prince Williams sound. But that happened two decades ago and it's listed as only the 53rd largest spill in history.
If only 52 spills are larger, how many are attributable to man? If you guessed 100%, you're right. Nature doesn't have natural spigots like Old Faithful jacking their tool whenever the fancy strikes, lol.
How many ecological disasters are attributable to natural seepage? If you guessed none, you're probably close enough for comfort. You might even be correct.
Greed is a disease found only in man. Survival of the fittest doesn't involve profit unless you're a human. I'll admit some of our disasters are accidental and not necessarily due to criminal negligence. But non-criminal disasters are still attributable to man and the results are the same.
If you think annual seepage is bad, you're right. If you think nature has the ability to dissipate seepage on it's own, you're right. But the industry is responsible for acute seepage, not nature. Natural seepage doesn't have a global straw in it's belly that sucks it's contents and spills it back into the environment.
If you think the Gulf disaster is below or on par with global seepage you're bean counting. When you look at oil related ecological disasters, check out how many of them are attributable to seepage. If it's industrial seepage, it's not natural and thus can't be blamed on nature as if it would happen regardless of man's involvement.
Scientists estimate approximately 26,000 gallons of crude sludge remain trapped between layers of rock and pulverized rock beneath the beaches and shoreline of Prince Williams sound. But that happened two decades ago and it's listed as only the 53rd largest spill in history.
If only 52 spills are larger, how many are attributable to man? If you guessed 100%, you're right. Nature doesn't have natural spigots like Old Faithful jacking their tool whenever the fancy strikes, lol.
How many ecological disasters are attributable to natural seepage? If you guessed none, you're probably close enough for comfort. You might even be correct.
Greed is a disease found only in man. Survival of the fittest doesn't involve profit unless you're a human. I'll admit some of our disasters are accidental and not necessarily due to criminal negligence. But non-criminal disasters are still attributable to man and the results are the same.
Trying to downplay the disaster in the Gulf by mentioning natural seeps is identical to people whining that there is no deforestation problem because more trees are being planted now than 200 years ago....useless, empty statistics that have no relevance to reality.
Please show me the last time a large ecosystem took a massive devastating blow from a natural seep.........please show me the tens of thousands of birds, turtles and other wildlife killed by oil from natural seeps......please show me the last time a natural seep caused tens of thousands of lost jobs and killed an entire industry overnight.........betcha can't, right?
Stop throwing around worthless fucking stats, hoosier...they mean nothing and we all know it.
Please show me the last time a large ecosystem took a massive devastating blow from a natural seep.........please show me the tens of thousands of birds, turtles and other wildlife killed by oil from natural seeps......please show me the last time a natural seep caused tens of thousands of lost jobs and killed an entire industry overnight.........betcha can't, right?
Stop throwing around worthless fucking stats, hoosier...they mean nothing and we all know it.
ROJO145, that's amazing. I guess there are crude Old Faithful's after all. Even though it's less than man related, that's a whopping percentage. Thanks for the info dewd.
we're not going to give up oil. people like to drive, fly, motorboat, motorcycle etc. too much. no democratic society is going to restrict personal use of oil through punitive taxation or legal restrictions on use, because that government is almoste surely going to be voted out. and a government that can effectively force people to submit to such actions without a popular mandate ... is a dictatorship.
oil is an economical, compact and transportable source of energy safe for widespread everyday use by consumers. ethanol doesn't have the energy per gram that gasoline does. (i think the current ethanol craze is a big cash grab by everyone's other favourite group, "big agriculture"). LPG, natural gas are much more difficult to handle. we barely have the batteries to deal with electric powered vehicles, and the are of limited range. hydrogen requires electricity to electrolyse h20 into h and o ... how do you generate the juice? nuclear? that poses its own issues. wind, tidal are clean, but i doubt you could set up enough windmills to power the nation. i read that if you covered every arable acre of land in north america with photocells, you still wouldn't have near enough juice to meet consumption.
we'll cut back on oil when our wallets get hit ... when peak oil reaches us, today or 100 years from now, whenever; as the "easy" oil becomes rarer, and we resort to extracting it from the more difficult and expensive sources (tar sands, etc.).
when the populations of india and china start driving cars, flying in planes and piloting cigarette boats like we do in north america, the consumption will increase, what, 20%? since they make up 20% of the world's population. when it hits 10, 20, 50 bucks a gallon, we'll change the way we use it.
there will be war over oil someday. not war by proxy or by funding puppet dictator thugs ... real war. even nuclear war. because oil is not only the fuel of mopeds and cessnas; oil is the fuel of the war machine. more important than bullets, missiles, or h-bombs. its why the nazis invaded the caucuses, the japanese indonesia, it's why the us and british overthrew mossadegh and installed the shah. its why the saudis get what they want.
in the meantime, i don't know how much natural oil leaks into the ocean. i've only seen pictures of the alaska and california spills. we'll see soon enough what happens to the fishing grounds, oyster beds and other marine ecosystems that are of such economic importance to the gulf coast. we'll see how it affects the lives of those whose living depends on it, and on how it affects the quality of the bounty of that region that many of us are greatful to have enjoyed.
oil is an economical, compact and transportable source of energy safe for widespread everyday use by consumers. ethanol doesn't have the energy per gram that gasoline does. (i think the current ethanol craze is a big cash grab by everyone's other favourite group, "big agriculture"). LPG, natural gas are much more difficult to handle. we barely have the batteries to deal with electric powered vehicles, and the are of limited range. hydrogen requires electricity to electrolyse h20 into h and o ... how do you generate the juice? nuclear? that poses its own issues. wind, tidal are clean, but i doubt you could set up enough windmills to power the nation. i read that if you covered every arable acre of land in north america with photocells, you still wouldn't have near enough juice to meet consumption.
we'll cut back on oil when our wallets get hit ... when peak oil reaches us, today or 100 years from now, whenever; as the "easy" oil becomes rarer, and we resort to extracting it from the more difficult and expensive sources (tar sands, etc.).
when the populations of india and china start driving cars, flying in planes and piloting cigarette boats like we do in north america, the consumption will increase, what, 20%? since they make up 20% of the world's population. when it hits 10, 20, 50 bucks a gallon, we'll change the way we use it.
there will be war over oil someday. not war by proxy or by funding puppet dictator thugs ... real war. even nuclear war. because oil is not only the fuel of mopeds and cessnas; oil is the fuel of the war machine. more important than bullets, missiles, or h-bombs. its why the nazis invaded the caucuses, the japanese indonesia, it's why the us and british overthrew mossadegh and installed the shah. its why the saudis get what they want.
in the meantime, i don't know how much natural oil leaks into the ocean. i've only seen pictures of the alaska and california spills. we'll see soon enough what happens to the fishing grounds, oyster beds and other marine ecosystems that are of such economic importance to the gulf coast. we'll see how it affects the lives of those whose living depends on it, and on how it affects the quality of the bounty of that region that many of us are greatful to have enjoyed.
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