ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! Rhino Skin Exposed

[Clackamas Coot]

Cheers CC.

I'm not sure why they list the percentage of Potassium and Silicon, I guess if you add the two together you get the overall concentration of potassium silicate, anyone care to verify if I'm right on this? If so, it would make it 11.5% Potassium Silicate, which sounds like a decent strength. I think the best way to chose a silicate product is to find the one with the highest concentration, which would make it the most cost effective.

indifferent

That's WAY beyond my pay grade. My decision to use the Pro-TeKt had far less to do with a specific potassium or silicon level, it was that this product is presented by Dyna-Gro to be the best emulsifier and surfactant for their neem seed oil product that I use on a very rigid schedule because of the problems in the PNW with mites and especially powdery mildew.

Then I began reading information about the application of liquid silicon as part of the soil soak to achieve certain goals and have been happy with my decision.

The price is certainly affordable - about $31.00 after the obligatory 'bro discount' from my buddy, Da Dude, at the local nursery.

It works for me for why I originally purchased it. There may be better options out there to be sure.

CC

 

[indifferent]

Cool man, as long as it does what you need it to, at a price you can afford, then it's a good product.

Potassium Silicate does indeed help with PM resistance, there's a guy in the UK who keeps handing out PM infected cuts and sadly I got infected that way, the thing I found that wiped it out and also worked in a friend's garden is a product called Citrox by Agralan, it's a UK brand, but I expect it's also available in the US, I think it might be called Citrofresh in the US market, it's based on citrus fruit extracts.

 

[grow nerd]

No amount of potassium silicate will save you from PM if your environment won't support it.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

indifferent

One thing that I should have mentioned is that I make my own potting soil and I include a mineral mix that is available locally. It's equal parts of Azomite, soft rock phosphate, Canadian glacial rock dust, New Jersey Greensand and limestone. I add 1.5 cups of this mix to 5 gallons of potting soil mix.

In addition to that I use a 'lime mix' that is equal parts of dolomite lime, gypsum and oyster shell powder.

What I'm trying to say is that I'm probably covered on the mineral deal as it's part of the soil mix and I do 're-cycle' my potting soils. Pretty easy to do in a straight organic growing process.

Peace

CC

 

[Babbabud]

This thread has turned into one big argument. Its being closed for now ...maybe for good ... lets quit arguing and move on. If the BS continues please send me messages. Im not going to spend my time off cleaning up bullshit ... send me messages whos causing the trouble and Ill just ban the offender ... its easier then wading through pages of BS .... show me the broken tou and the offender is out of here .. this is crazy.

evleme2 you have someone that needs a break just shoot me a PM and ill be more then happy to give them some time outside to play!!

 

[Babbabud]

Threads been reopened ... lets see if we can get on topic and move forward.

 

[toohighmf]

after speaking w biksa, it is apparent that the watered down version is to maintain this new ph perfect line. to me it is obviously a profit deal with a great excuse!

 

[indifferent]

So they are gonna water down all their stuff so it fits into this new ph perfect line?

Call me old-fashioned but I like my stuff concentrated with as little water in the bottle as possible, then I can provide my own water and mix my nutes to the strength I desire using my trusty ec truncheon!

 

[Yankee Grower]

soft rock phosphate

Have you ever messed with Tennessee Brown phosphate? Have heard it's far superior. Was recommended by an ag guy that said he wouldn't touch soft rock with a 10' pole.

Man with PS I'd just look for the best bang for the buck regarding claimed levels compared to cost.

 

[toohighmf]

Indifferent: 1 word.. YES. to make a short story longer, I would say that by weakening the solutions that swing PH the most, they can dilute and sell for more money. what if my PH was 3 0r 10? should I expect my PH to be somewhere between 5 & 7???? how can a company even make that claim? meanwhile I am hearing good things about bud factor X and budcandy from Pros. I don't want to believe.. I don't want to believe... I.. you get the picture.

 

[indifferent]

Well, I do believe that a manufacturer can make a nute that buffers PH so well you don't need a meter.

The Dutch have had that down pat for a while now. In holland, the tap water has high PH, often around 8. A friend recently did a full grow without a PH or EC meter using Canna Coco A+B, PK13-14 and Boost and he had not a sign of PH problems, he was growing a bunch of different stuff from seed, from a pure sat to a pure indica and a few hybrids in between. When we eventually tested his tap water it was between 7.8 and 8. To me, that clearly shows that Canna's nutes do a great job of buffering PH. I've done the same thing here in the UK - grown with the Canna line-up without a PH meter and i had no problems either, but my tap water is always ec 0 ph 6.2.

 

[toohighmf]

this is true with my b'cuzz products Which are pretty much the same thing. However, when you have a 14 bottle additive lineup your PH is going to swing a bit. particularly when using highly concentrated potassium Si.

 

[indifferent]

Ah, yeah, I forgot about the many bottles factor. AN want you to buy lots of bottles and that makes it hard to keep PH stable as you say, so I guess the easiest way is to water it all down. Maybe they missed a trick and could have released yet another bottle - the ultimate PH buffer, something to add to your 20+ bottle regime that will buffer out the ph no matter what!

 

[toohighmf]

don't give em anymore ideas!

 

[indifferent]

Whoops, sorry. If such a product does appear, you can all blame me! lol

 

[Kcar]

I had one of my best yields using only Sensi bloom and Hammerhead. Guess that's not gonna happen anymore.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Have you ever messed with Tennessee Brown phosphate? Have heard it's far superior. Was recommended by an ag guy that said he wouldn't touch soft rock with a 10' pole.

YG

I'm not familiar with that specific product but you can go to the bank that I'll be looking into it in the morning!!

CC

 

[Thundurkel]

Here's a link to some of that for ya CC http://www.fedcoseeds.com/ogs/OGSorderItem.php?id=8671&listname=Sea-90

 

[Yankee Grower]

YG

I'm not familiar with that specific product but you can go to the bank that I'll be looking into it in the morning!!

CC

From what I understand the Tennessee Brown is in a bunch of piles that have been around for quite a few years weathering outdoors. Supposedly some old project that never finished up. The availability of 'clean' soft rock is shrinking and soft is technically classified as mine tailings/waste anyway...lol.

Here's a teaser:
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/ogs/OGSorderItem.php?id=8671&listname=Sea-90

When you look at that link you'll see Phil Callahan mentioned and an interesting character...heh heh. From what I've heard recently Phil is senile but has published some interesting stuff.

 

[stlsoldier531]

WOW!!

WOW!!

Now this is what I call a heated Debate...lol..

Silica is Silica the way I see it. No matter what you use I think that the plants will see some benefit. It's not like plants really care who makes it, just so long as they can eat it and grow healthy.

As far as wasting money...lol...growing Marijuana is all about spending money. I never knew how expensive this hobby could be until I got involved. Grow tents, lights, nutrients, pots, fans, TDS/PH meters...The list goes on..


So as far as spending money goes.....if you are looking to grow good weed, then be prepared to spend good money..hahaha...

We are all getting ripped off if you ask me. It's crazy, how much money one can spend on growing these days...

My point...Each to his own...

Now back to the subject at hand....Rhino Skin is very diluted from what I can see. But that doesn't mean that it's a bad product. It would probably be good for a drip system because some of the other silica products can clog a drip line in a heart beat.

Someone told me about Silica Blast just the other day and I did some research on it and it seems good for most growing methods, but I have heard it can be a pain in the A$$ when it comes to a drip system such as a Water Farm..

But BudLink seems to be the one I am going to go with because it doesn't cause the PH to rise too much and a lot Good growers in Europe Swear by this stuff. I actually found a place that ships to the USA...Yayyy