Is is me or do some growers in Cali actually not want pot legalised??

[dagnabit]

Corporations aren't my only fear, in fact they're not even that major on the radar right immediately IMO. But any individual, or team of individuals with enough resources that will be able to step up easily and increase supply almost overnight.

If mom & pop ops in California in just the last year (again, seen the occurrence of "20kw! First grow! Help!" threads lately?) are any sign. If the falling prices in places like California and B.C. are of any sign.

Just because you choose to be blind and ignorant does not mean that others do not see the obvious.

top shelf is still $350 oz. black market in cali and bc

your argument about plummeting prices is horseshit .


you all act like supply and demand are the be all end all..

the price of cannabis has been and will ALWAYS be based on what the market will bear not S&D

 

[dagnabit]

No, that's your propaganda on the current fear.

The actual fear is as I've outlined. If you're confused, I'm sorry, go back to school.

so far what i said is the bullshit youve "outlined"

sorry if you dont get it..drink some more prohibitionist kool aid

 

[grow nerd]

top shelf is still $350 oz. black market in cali and bc

your argument about plummeting prices is horseshit .


you all act like supply and demand are the be all end all..

the price of cannabis has been and will ALWAYS be based on what the market will bear not S&D

Really, you think so? What will determine what the market will bear? S&D. Oops, fucked up there, didn't ya?

It is the be all end all.

Snype, how much is an ounce where you're at?

 

[medmaker420]

top shelf is still $350 oz. black market in cali and bc

your argument about plummeting prices is horseshit .


you all act like supply and demand are the be all end all..

the price of cannabis has been and will ALWAYS be based on what the market will bear not S&D

that IS what supply and demand means...

do you think they would price gas completely out of our price range or just put it up just enough so it kills us BUT we still buy it?

what the market will bear IS supply and demand isn't it? or am I misunderstanding your statement?

 

[grow nerd]

that IS what supply and demand means...

do you think they would price gas completely out of our price range or just put it up just enough so it kills us BUT we still buy it?

what the market will bear IS supply and demand isn't it? or am I misunderstanding your statement?

I guess you actually paid attention in school...

 

[Hammerhead]

Ye he got caught my point is no one should be incarcerated for using cannabis. Im sure we don't know all of the details involving his case. Someone in his position you would think he took many precautions THE MAN IS NOT STUPID.

God Bless joeshmoe & his family, but he chose his fate. He chose to take extra risks for the extra reward, got caught, and paid the price. The market conditions didn't force him to ship the buds over state lines to a non-medical state for an extra margin of profit, he could have easily done it "legally" in-state.

 

[grow nerd]

I don't know all the details but I know that it could have been avoided completely had he not gone for that extra 50-100% profit over what he could get if he sold his herbs locally. This was not based on "using" herb, this was based on shipping herb across state lines for 3+ years. Sorry, you not only lack a point, but strengthen mine.

 

[dagnabit]

no that is NOT what supply and demand means...
i would suggest some classes on economics (not being a dick but eco 101 would teach you this)

supply and demand is only one factor in pricing.

an example..
the recent housing "bubble"
the inflation in housing prices nationwide was not because of a lack of supply to meet the demand for housing.

it was manipulated (purposefully) to adjust to what the market will bear.

the same happens with almost everything everyday!

it is myopic at best to focus on supply vs. demand as the sole driving force in pricing!

but lets just do that lets follow your S&D based economic model.

new hypothetical
the bill passes tomorrow...
a flood of people who have not been growing under current medical law decide that is their que to set up shop.
how does their supply of green,wet,seeded,whispy,burnt unsmokable trash affect you?

 

[grow nerd]

dagnabit, I suggest you add "horrible concept of economics and world" to your signature.

And again: you seem to think you're so far & above talented over first-timers... I highly doubt you can maintain that edge for more than 1 cycle once the right person with the right resources & motivation gets ahold of the right info.

 

[nomaad]

This is a very tough one for me. As a grower, I'm not worried about legalization. I say bring it on. But politically, I do not believe in illegitimate power structures like the one the State (and Richard Lee) would create around cannabis. Sure, I support my family with this... but I have always supported my family before it. The only constant is change, I say. I am fluid.

I would vote for it in a heartbeat if it included a provision for amnesty for everybody in prison for a pot charge. But it don't. Why would it? Its not about smokers and patients, its about consolidation of the industry.

I am still torn. Will there be less arrests because of this law? On a state level, yes. People will not be getting large sentences because their third strike was smoking a doob. Unless, maybe they were smoking a blunt on a public parkbench... That is still illegal. Less FEDERAL arrests? I'm not so sure. In fact... it will be more people openly flaunting federal law and more opportunities for the feds to bust balls.

I am openly looking for a basis upon which to believe in this bill. My heart is open to a convincing argument. I have not heard one yet.

 

[dagnabit]

do you think they would price gas completely out of our price range or just put it up just enough so it kills us BUT we still buy it?
misunderstanding your statement?

that is market manipulation NOT supply and demand


supply and demand is ONLY the amount of product(supply) vs. the amount of customers(demand) at any point in time


the current marijuana model in california is in NO WAY based on supply and demand!

as the price remains static over time even with supply fluctuations

in a pure black market (non med state) when leo reduces supply the price rises
however the model in med states changes the economic dynamic.
in michigan it has reversed the S&D dynamic. literally you get discounts for buying less in michigan!

 

[dagnabit]

dagnabit, I suggest you add "horrible concept of economics and world" to your signature.

And again: you seem to think you're so far & above talented over first-timers... I highly doubt you can maintain that edge for more than 1 cycle once the right person with the right resources & motivation gets ahold of the right info.

the ad homonym last resort of the ignorant when faced with superior ideas

 

[itisme]

Ok "itisme" before I go. I would like to respond to that. As I said before IT IS LEGAL! WE WON!

NOBODY WITH HALF A BRAIN HAS TO GO TO JAIL!

READ OUR THREAD!

WHILE YOU WERE ASLEEP WE COVERED A LOT! IT'S LIKE GROUNDHOG DAY WITH YOU! I HAVE TO GO TO WORK!

I DON"T LIVE IN MY MOMMIES BASEMENT OR MAKE TONS OF CASH ON SUPPLYING MEDS.

CIAO!

Reading your threads is NO GOOD!

You think because you make a statement it is true!! WRONG

It isn't LEGAL and well over 1,000,000 are currently in jail for non violent crimes! FACT

PEOPLE ARE ARRESTED FOR IT EVERYDAY!!!! FACT

IT AINT LEGAL AND WE AINT WON SHIT!!!! FACT!!!

Your only point is your worried about how much it will hurt your cashflow! FACT

You aint posted a damn thing worth reading and you can't lump people who want it LEGAL in w/ BIG TABACCO! FACT!!!
IT CARRIES NO WEIGHT AND REEKS OF GREED!

BY THE WAY- THE NEXT TIME YOU MENTION OR BRING UP ANY HELPFUL SOLUTIONS FOR THE OVER 1,000,000 IN JAIL AND MILLIONS OF OTHERS ON PROBATION FOR WEED WILL BE THE FIRST TIME YOU MENTION THEM!!!! FACT!!!!

You say nobody with half a brain has to go to jail for weed if it kept ILLEGAL! What kind of stupid ass statement is that?

 

[Frozenguy]

This bill still allows people to be subjected up to seven years in jail for a non violent cannabis "crime" in which BOTH parties were willing to partake, both parties are perspectively benefiting, and no one is injured. You call this a crime?? And think its ok to JAIL someone for up to seven years of their life?

I've heard countless rapist get off easier.
People who get DUI and endanger everyone on the road with a DEADLY WEAPON usually dont even get jail time, they dont even get probation half the time.

Its a joke..

But, its our only chance I fear... And it will strengthen MMJ laws. So i may vote for it. Plus, legalization will allow good primo bud to still sell at a premium price, so I'm not too worried.

And dont be naive, Richard Lee is doing this for further his control of the industry, the proof is in the pudding (legislature).

Also, at the end of the day, when a law is a law, I dont have much sympathy when people get caught. Pay the price, you KNEW what the consequences are. Thats why I stayed within legal limits for everything.

You play dumb games, you win stupid prizes. Dont complain.

 

[grow nerd]

All I'm going to say is that I've personally single-handedly built & consulted on multiple multi-digit-light rooms for folks with "too much money and not enough experience", or in other words rich first-timers who just wanna get richer. And they're having no problems producing massive quantities of top quality with minimum effort. Just by following A-B-C...

Do you wanna doubt me, or call BS on that one?

I mean... once the monkey sees, it's only a matter of time until the monkey does...

 

[Tela]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Sutton


still going hard up till 2008. over 80 yrs after the end of alcohol prohibition!!

 

[Hammerhead]

now that is just stupid. If I was rich I sure would not try to get richer buy starting up a grow.

 

[itisme]

I fully understand both sides of this. Well name calling is not called for, I feel the frustration that people are experiencing. This isn't just a product, IT'S A WAY OF LIFE- A 'CULTURE'!

What I feel is that both sides are right! I wouldn't put 'financial gain' over people's freedom because some Nazi Sherriff wants to lock up a brother either. But it doesn't have to be one or the other!

If anyone with half a brain applied themselves right now THEY CAN DO ANYTHING UNDER OUR CURRENT LAWS! I know many who have dedicated a great deal of their life to perfecting their art. And, like it or not, The powerful Tobacco industry is putting A HELL OF A LOT OF 'MONEY' OVER MANY GROWERS 'FREEDOM' TO MAKE A LIVING!

As Johnny Lydon (PIL) said: "big business is very wise". We need to be aware of who were getting in bed with! If your fine with the Walmart model of cheap crap, pushing out Craftsmen and Artisans, than fine.

Right now Californians consume between $870 million and $ 2 billion worth of medical marijuana per year! That's where Phillip Morris' love comes from!

IT IS AN AMAZING HOMEGROWN INDUSTRY THAT HAS BEEN BUILT BY HARDWORKING GROWERS IN SHEDS, CLOSETS AND BASEMENTS EVERYWHERE! PEOPLE WHO HAVE ENDURED RIDICULE, ISOLATION, 3AM RESERVOIR CHANGES AND MIDNIGHT TRASH DUMPS!

WE BUILT IT!

Again, that's where Phillip Morris' love comes from! Where are the Moonshiners of the 20's and 30's who claimed their product was too 'refined and superior' to be massed produced? WHERE ARE THEY?! They could never have imagined how lucky we are right now! By not being completely legal- the prices remain high enough to provide a living. By applying and using the laws that exist- NOBODY HAS TO GO TO JAIL!!!

Corporate America can't believe that the small grower has the nerve, THE AUDACITY, to have that $2 Billion going through the common man's hand! AFTER THEY LOWER THE PRICES LOW ENOUGH TO CORNER THE MARKET- THEY ARE GOING TO GOUGE THE FUCK OUT OF YOU!

Sell out to Phillip Morris and big Tobacco, and the only thing that will happen is you are going to switch who gets that same $2 billion a year. CORPORATE AMERICA OR THE COMMON MAN!

Indeed,... 'this is NOT a love song'!

PROPAGANDA!!!

 

[dagnabit]

All I'm going to say is that I've personally single-handedly built & consulted on multiple multi-digit-light rooms for folks with "too much money and not enough experience", or in other words rich first-timers who just wanna get richer. And they're having no problems producing massive quantities of top quality with minimum effort. Just by following A-B-C...

Do you wanna doubt me, or call BS on that one?

I mean... once the monkey sees, it's only a matter of time until the monkey does...

and your still not homeless?!?!?!?!?!?

you mean you can compete? good for you!

i found a link to help you argue against legalization...
it seems there are some like minded people for you


http://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/mj_rev.pdf

 

[PotPatriot]

This is propoganda. Baseless fear mongering. No better than Reefer Madness. Fuck all of you for valuing your profit over people's freedoms.

People's Freedoms, you think you have freedom when they restrict the swuare footage a plant can grow in on YOUR land, I own my land, I have several hundred acres, and for some .gov thug to be able to tell me I can only use 5'x5' of it for a fucking plant is NOT FREEDOM, FREEDOM is free and open market, not one controlled by a singular entity, making it so the PRODUCERS and by PRODUCERS I mean the THOUSANDS OF GROWERS setting the price is the way to go, why should the purchaser be allowed to govern prices, if you want it you pay it right?

This is not fear mongering, read between the fucking lines they are not giving you ANYTHING, they are taking away basic principles, Ok so say this law does pass, what happens if you plant is 5'6" by 5'2" just a few inches off, and they decide to take your home, and put your kids in foster care? How can you think legalization in ANY Form other than "it is a plant and we were wrong, free market" is good? you are taking a piece of the puzzle over the whole fucking box, RIGHT NOW THE GROWERS AND CONSUMERS OWN THIS BUSINESS, THE SECOND YOU LET THEM PASS THIS BILL HAVE FUN WITH YOUR OVERTAXED AND OVER-CONTROLLED MJ laws, to me anything short of "go wild" is not a win, unless it is completely unabated and no rules and stipulations apply it is a joke.

Do tobacco companies have to plant in only a 5x5 area of their backyard? Do individual citizens have to ? FUCK NO!!! So why should we for something we have fought so hard to make socially acceptable just lay down and accept the draconian rules they try to enforce, I for one will not stand for it or any of you yellow bellied socialists who just want everything handed to you on a golden fucking platter. READ BETWEEN THE LINES....FOLLOW THE $$$$$ AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.