Ducksfoot?

[daalheid]

Monkey: 5-10 ounches or pounds? I don't what metric system you use down there? Looks like really nice growing weather to me.. I'm jealous! Are you away for a long time? if your weather is so good it wouldn't be that bad to harvest a few weeks later..

Medmaker: That is cool! are you also an Aussie? Do you think there's a big chance to maintain the leave fenotype of the duckfoot when crossing? Did you had a hard job making that crossing?

 

[Mountain_Monkey]

I'd love to let them go but I'm heading to Asia for a month and a half and who knows what might happen to them if entrusted to the care of someone else? I've already had a friend 'mind' my plants for 3 days and he managed to fert burn the shit out of them. Nah, I'll pull them. I'm expecting 5 ounces off each plant. I don't like to aim high then yield low I'd rather say 5 and get 7! If planted in the ground during September, with a good soil mix I can see these easily pulling a lb a plant, easy. I'm stuck in pots though and planted late October so I'm not really expecting much apart from good smoke as it's quality stuff, too bad I won't have all that much.

 

[daalheid]

I think it is probably the best thing to do then harvesting early. 5 Ounce that woulde be around 150 grams, that's a pretty average yield for hemp, and that's nice in combination with its strange appearance...

 

[smokefrogg]

ducksfoot crossed with a quaze/dr. grinspoon...it would make such an awesome stealth plant, people would have no idea at all that it's herb, captivated by the idea really

 

[indifferent]

Ducksfoot does not work indoors at all, waste of time. it also won't work outdoors outside the tropics, it needs intense sun and heat. if you have a 'Ducksfoot' that flowers properly outside the tropics, you have a hybrid.

Ducksfoot is not really stealthy at all, it grows exactly like normal weed apart from the webbed leaves, in flower it is obviously cannabis.

The Hawaiian webbed plants are not Ducksfoot, there are several webbed strains in Hawaii, but they are all indicas, Hawaiian Webbed Indica and Strawberry Web are two that I have seen.

If you really want to make a stealthy plant, get some colchicine and mutate some seedlings with it, you might eventually be able to stabilise something quite unlike regular cannabis in appearance.

 

[daalheid]

Smokefrogg i can't find any picture of that quaze/dr. grinspoon... Is it just like the ABC?

Indifferent i heard it is quite dangerous to work with colchicine, Have you ever done it? It cerntainly takes a lot of seeds, according to what i've read about it.

 

[indifferent]

Colchicine is dangerous, so avoid using it in concentrated form. You can do it the safe way and just get some Autumn Crocus bulbs, mash em up in hot water, strain, then soak your seeds in that. Alternatively, get some 1% Colchicine cream and rub it into the growth tips of a plant.

Quaze/Dr. Grinspoon is a piece of garbage, total joke imho. It doesn't form proper buds, just grows single calyxes all over a huge plant and throws nanners all over the place. It smokes nice enough and has a nice high, but it's a joke to grow.

 

[smokefrogg]

Smokefrogg i can't find any picture of that quaze/dr. grinspoon... Is it just like the ABC?

Indifferent i heard it is quite dangerous to work with colchicine, Have you ever done it? It cerntainly takes a lot of seeds, according to what i've read about it.

hey daalheid, i haven't heard of "abc", the quaze/dr. grinspoon stuff has many very small buds, like single calyxes, in full bloom it doesn't look a thing like herb imho!

indifferent doesn't like it, and i have seen on many other boards where people just don't think it's worth it, or too much of a pain in the rear to grow for such a small yield, some even say the smoke itself is complete crap and a cigarette gets them "higher" lol, i have read a lot of other things as well like people claiming it is the best sativa they have ever had or one of the best, very unique head turning taste/smell, etc.

bottom line for me, attitude has them from barney's, 55$ u.s. is not that much to me, my other hobbies end up costing a lot more than doing this, man if they were like 200$ beans i'd be like screw this though haha =) so soon i will bite, i don't have much room so quaze will have to wait at least 2 months before entering the tiny flower chamber, but man i am just too curious, anyways here is a pic or 2 from quaze's threads here:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=112529

i hope quaze doesn't mind me posting those, i'm just really amazed at this plant

in the thread mentioned above, there is mention of 2 other types that display this pheno, mighty mite and certain f13 kinds, sounds like the f13 foxtailing or whatever you'd call this draws from highland thai genes, some have mentioned that highland thai will do this on occasion...whatever the case, this characteristic is imho a trip and would be awesome to help with stealth guerilla growing if one wanted to

 

[smokefrogg]

Quaze/Dr. Grinspoon is a piece of garbage, total joke imho. It doesn't form proper buds, just grows single calyxes all over a huge plant and throws nanners all over the place. It smokes nice enough and has a nice high, but it's a joke to grow.

one man's garbage is another man's bad ass stuff =)

seems like yield would just plain suck though, for real. for me this is a fun hobby so i dunno', it would be fun to grow this just for the ride/experience

that's pretty awesome that you have actually gotten to try it before, i can't say i have seen this at any dispensary/shops in the southern california area so i have never had the chance to give it a go. have you grown it out before too?

 

[smokefrogg]

Ducksfoot does not work indoors at all, waste of time. it also won't work outdoors outside the tropics, it needs intense sun and heat. if you have a 'Ducksfoot' that flowers properly outside the tropics, you have a hybrid.

hehe sounds like you'd need a 1500watt + major humidifier to make it happen inside...far too rich for my wallet!

 

[indifferent]

I was gifted a load of the Quaze last year, it's okay, but to me, it smokes just like a typical highland Mexican, and I suspect it is just a freak pheno of a highland Mexican. The taste is similar to the Oaxacan I have as is the high, so the reason i don't rate it is there are tons of plants with the same level of taste and high but which do grow proper buds and yield good. Most highland Mexicans yield big, so i just don't get the appeal of this Quaze, especially because it is a hermie and it's male flowers ain't sterile.

Truly, honestly, Quaze just shows how long it is since proper sativas were available in Amsterdam, so people have forgotten what they are like. There is nothing at all extraordinary about the Quaze high, it's good but so are a lot of proper sativas.

This is what a proper Mexican sativa should look like, from the 1988 SSSC catalogue:

It's a joke that Barney's are selling seeds off that plant, I mean, a hermie is not suitable breeding material at all, and if they just selfed it then people are gonna get a lot of hermies, shows you what a joke most seedbanks in Holland are these days, just sad.

 

[<~Hades~>]

The Hawaiian webbed plants are not Ducksfoot, there are several webbed strains in Hawaii, but they are all indicas, Hawaiian Webbed Indica and Strawberry Web are two that I have seen.

im from hawaii and know people who have been growin the ducksfoot for atleast +20 years~ the webbed indica is different and is just a single kola plant~ looks like you would expect sum sensi seeds hinukush to look like but with the sunleaves webbed !!!

Like i said before some where on here , Who had it first who knows, but it traveled in some surfers pockets from ether here from oz or hawaii to Oz

 

[bigwity]

ducksfoot is one random plant

 

[smokefrogg]

I was gifted a load of the Quaze last year, it's okay, but to me, it smokes just like a typical highland Mexican, and I suspect it is just a freak pheno of a highland Mexican. The taste is similar to the Oaxacan I have as is the high, so the reason i don't rate it is there are tons of plants with the same level of taste and high but which do grow proper buds and yield good. Most highland Mexicans yield big, so i just don't get the appeal of this Quaze, especially because it is a hermie and it's male flowers ain't sterile.

Truly, honestly, Quaze just shows how long it is since proper sativas were available in Amsterdam, so people have forgotten what they are like. There is nothing at all extraordinary about the Quaze high, it's good but so are a lot of proper sativas.

This is what a proper Mexican sativa should look like, from the 1988 SSSC catalogue:

It's a joke that Barney's are selling seeds off that plant, I mean, a hermie is not suitable breeding material at all, and if they just selfed it then people are gonna get a lot of hermies, shows you what a joke most seedbanks in Holland are these days, just sad.

hey thanks for taking the time man. i'm sure it's pretty obvious i lack a great deal of experience, i can't honestly say i have ever knowingly had a oaxacan highland, i have seen and enjoyed quality up sativas that were said to have originated south of the border (at 50$ 1/2 oz. at the time i figured it had to be to be that cheap), but none of us really had any idea about highland/lowland and different states/places of origin like oaxaca and michoacan and whatnot

i am going to visit some people that have far more experience with this sort of thing shortly, i'm not going to order a thing or drop any moneys on seeds until i run through ALL of this with these people, i'll definitely be showing them what you have to say as well

again, thank you. i'm sure i'm not the only super green noobie on this forum that is curious about this, learn lear learn, thank you!

 

[indifferent]

Hi Hades, I stand corrected, Hawaiian friends in the past told me all the webs were indicas, and the Strawberry Web I grew was indeed like Hindu Kush but webbed.

Hi smokefrogg, the original story of how the Quaze came about was that some old Oaxacan beans were germed and they only got one to grow - Quaze. If that is true I don't know for sure, I heard that story from 2 or 3 friends in the Dam then others came up with a different story of it being a 'ladder' pheno from Neville's Haze.

If you have friends with seeds from south of the border, especially older ones from the 70s or 80s, that is where i would start looking for special sativa highs.

Hit me up with a PM if you come up short and I'll see what sat gems I have to spare.

 

[medmaker420]

Ducksfoot does not work indoors at all, waste of time. it also won't work outdoors outside the tropics, it needs intense sun and heat. if you have a 'Ducksfoot' that flowers properly outside the tropics, you have a hybrid.
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I got my seeds from wallyduck and as far as I know they were not hybrids of any type. They grew fine for me indoors as well as outside (cali). They grew BIG but could manage indoors with training.

Did wallyduck sell a ducksfoot cross but under the name "ducksfoot"? If that is the case, I would love to know what he put in there.

They are 100% pot looking in flower which I totally agree with BUT while they are vegging they are pretty different looking. Less time someone might spot them but then again the sheriffs come out during harvest season just like the growers. I guess if anything you might hide em from nosey rippers BUT they odds are could spot em if they saw em. To the untrained eye though they wouldn't look like herb BUT in the same breath an untrained eye might not even know what regular leaved herb looks like either lol.

 

[indifferent]

Wierd they flowered indoors for ya, Wally was adamant they were not gonna flower properly unless you did em outdoors in a hot climate.

I tried em indoors and they vegged great, but would not flower properly at all, waste of time, tropical sat that was totally unsuited to indoor environment.

Maybe different batches of the Duck differed in this respect?

 

[intel2000]

I agree with you Indifferent - they veg VERY well indoors but the flowers did not form properly under a 400 watt HPS. It is frustrating - but I think its also cool that there are some climate specific strains out there. I dont see Quaze as a total waste of time - should be possible to cross it with an auto-flower or ducksfoot or webbed indica and cut out the hermi over time. Of course it would be best to seed it real early then harvest as soon as seeds are done to cut out the possibility of selfed seeds having time to grow.

I - for one - am a lover of the sativas and weirdos.

 

[indifferent]

The reason why I call it a waste of time is that it doesn't have anything I see as special, and it does have the two huge downsides of it's abysmal floral structure and hermie trait. There are a lot of better options for a breeding sat out there, but of course, you will have to start some seeds to find em.

For instance, La Mano Negra's Angola x Banghi, a friend just grew some of those and got one that is very very special, grows as one huge gola with hardly any leaf and is such an expansive, energetic high that after he and his brother smoked some, they went and ripped up the huge bush/tree in the back garden they had been talking about getting rid of for ages. The taste/smell is also 'off the hook' as he puts it.

I have this Oaxacan cutting that smokes very similar to Quaze but grows huge colas and yields massive, it also produces some nanners, which is why I don't breed with it, but for headstash, it's awesome.

 

[<~Hades~>]

Did wallyduck sell a ducksfoot cross but under the name "ducksfoot"? If that is the case, I would love to know what he put in there.

i thought wally found the line then crossed it to a sk#1 and then back to The duckfoot and made his line Or am i fucking tripping~