Sick Mother

[TheShroomDude]

I am having a problem with a sick mother. Have 2 side by side and the other is fine. I asked a few people at another site and kinda got mixed answers.
I looked through the "Sticky" and think it might be a Calcium and Gnat problem but wanted to ask here and post a few pic's to be sure...

 

[Snype]

Please fill out the form in the sticky and you will get more help. Here's the link for you:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I am having a problem with a sick mother. Have 2 side by side and the other is fine. I asked a few people at another site and kinda got mixed answers.
I looked through the "Sticky" and think it might be a Calcium and Gnat problem but wanted to ask here and post a few pic's to be sure...

How old is the mum? Definitely fill out the form but I'm going to say you have some kind of root issue going on.

Stay Safe!

 

[TheShroomDude]

Hope this helps more...



How long has this problem been going on?
About 2 weeks

What STRAIN are you growing?
Afgan. #1

What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
It is a Mother

What is the age of your plants?
Yearish

How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now?
Not sure, b4 I got them and had for 6 months, once I saw problem it got repotted

How Tall are the plants?
Too tall, is about 4'

What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
Is a Mother

What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
N/A

What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
2 Gallon I think

What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
Soil, were in FFOF with Promix

What Nutrient's are you using?
Fox Farm

How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water?
*Knowing the brand is very helpful*
1/2 tbs every other watering, b4 takes lots of clones 1-1 1/2 tbs

How often are you feeding?
every other watering

If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
N/A

What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
Just veg

What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
No idea

What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
No Idea

What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
Drops

How often are you watering?
When they need it

When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
3 days ago, every other watering or every 2

What size bulb are you using?
400

What is the distance to the canopy?
about 1'

What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
30-40

What is the canopy temperature?
75ish

What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
Day 73-77 Night 67-71

What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Small fan every 3 hours

Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
N/A

Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
No

Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
moist

Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Soft

What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled?
Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
Tap

Are you using water from a water softener?
No

Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Clones were cut about 3-6ish days b4

Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Just pest strips

Are plant's infected with pest's?
Have seen a few gnats

 

[Snype]

1. What are you pHing your nutes at?
2. What are you pHing your water at when you give them just plain water?

2 gallon pots are pretty small for a plant that's been around for over a year. It's also seems like you're nuting too often if they are getting nutes every other watering. After I nute my plants in FFOF soil, I don't nute for 10 days and sometimes 14 days before giving nutes again. Without knowing your pH, it looks to me like you are over nuteing and that you are having pH problems. pH your nutes and your water to 6.8.

 

[TheShroomDude]

1. What are you pHing your nutes at?
2. What are you pHing your water at when you give them just plain water?

2 gallon pots are pretty small for a plant that's been around for over a year. It's also seems like you're nuting too often if they are getting nutes every other watering. After I nute my plants in FFOF soil, I don't nute for 10 days and sometimes 14 days before giving nutes again. Without knowing your pH, it looks to me like you are over nuteing and that you are having pH problems. pH your nutes and your water to 6.8.

1. I was pHing water to 6.0 then adding nute's, I checked the pH after nute's a few times b4 and it only went up to about 6.1 or 6.2 so i did not bother checking anymore and adding them.

2. I pH it to 6

I gave them a root trim after about a week of the problem. I cut about 25% off all sides and repotted. They are no longer in FFOF I a buddy gave me some soil he uses(because I did not have any and could not make it to the hydro shop for awhile).
There is another lady just like her, same everything!! and no problem at all.

6.8?? In soil I thought for soil 6-6.5 was good...

Thanks

 

[Hydro-Soil]

How's the soil smell in the mum with trouble? (This isn't a pH thing)

Did you accidentally spill something in it, not shake something up thoroughly before water with it??? (I've had over-neemed soil-drench plants that looked similar... not your issue but looking at an 'accident' can help)

You also stated you already re-potted, when you saw the problem... What did the roots look like? White? Brown? Thick? Thin? Normal??

Personally, I would get a 5-gal bucket of warm water and drop that lady in there (yeah... dunk the whole plant.. it won't hurt her a bit). Let her soak for 10 minutes and then massage all the dirt out of the roots. Gently pull off any soft roots that pull away easily as they're rotted and won't help the plant any.

Gently massage some seedling mix soil in the root mass so that you've covered every root you can find with a fine layer of soil. All your roots should look dirty now. Carefully re-pot and water with plain water or water with a touch of B1.

She'll be just fine.


Stay Safe!

 

[TheShroomDude]

How's the soil smell in the mum with trouble? (This isn't a pH thing)

Did you accidentally spill something in it, not shake something up thoroughly before water with it??? (I've had over-neemed soil-drench plants that looked similar... not your issue but looking at an 'accident' can help)

You also stated you already re-potted, when you saw the problem... What did the roots look like? White? Brown? Thick? Thin? Normal??

Personally, I would get a 5-gal bucket of warm water and drop that lady in there (yeah... dunk the whole plant.. it won't hurt her a bit). Let her soak for 10 minutes and then massage all the dirt out of the roots. Gently pull off any soft roots that pull away easily as they're rotted and won't help the plant any.

Gently massage some seedling mix soil in the root mass so that you've covered every root you can find with a fine layer of soil. All your roots should look dirty now. Carefully re-pot and water with plain water or water with a touch of B1.

She'll be just fine.


Stay Safe!

Smells like it always has. Do not think I spilled something it it not much around it that could hurt her.
Then not shaking something up b4 using it on her, well the other 1 gets the same as her, water from same can, same Grow Big, same Phed water etc...

The roots did look a lil thin I guess and not sure about the color did not really look at them much, just trimmed sum off and repotted.

I may have to try to soak the roots, but do not have any seedling soil mix.

Does any1 have any other idea's????

Thanks Hydro

 

[PotPatriot]

Do not PH your nute mixture before adding the nutrients themselves, that is just not the order of things, the nutes will make the water fluctuate up and or down, and perhaps lockout nutrients in the process of your backwards process....do it like this.

1. Water in Jug
2. Add Fox Farm nutrients according to directions or past experience of strain. Following order of Nutrients should always look like this plus or minus a few ingredients
Micro>Veg>Bloom>Boosters>enzyme>PH up or down
3. Check PH and Ec or TDS if possible
4. Add PH up or Down respectively to hit your target area

My guess is you are locking out your essential micro nutrients by having your PH to low for one, which is also building up heavy salts in your soil and it could or is causing severe lockout

A nice heavy flush of 4 gallons of water once dry with 1-2% hydrogen peroxide per gallon or a flushing agent added should help a bit, then dial back the feedings to 10 to 14 days, and the lighter the feedings the better, underfeeding is easily corrected whereas over-feeding can cause big bad wolf problems.

Have you ever read into Hempy Buckets? if not you should, i recommend all heavy feeders to it as you can feed full strength from the beginning with little to no ill effects, just keep a cool head, don't panic and all should fix itself, if not just start some new mommies!

 

[TheShroomDude]

Do not PH your nute mixture before adding the nutrients themselves, that is just not the order of things, the nutes will make the water fluctuate up and or down, and perhaps lockout nutrients in the process of your backwards process....do it like this.

1. Water in Jug
2. Add Fox Farm nutrients according to directions or past experience of strain. Following order of Nutrients should always look like this plus or minus a few ingredients
Micro>Veg>Bloom>Boosters>enzyme>PH up or down
3. Check PH and Ec or TDS if possible
4. Add PH up or Down respectively to hit your target area

My guess is you are locking out your essential micro nutrients by having your PH to low for one, which is also building up heavy salts in your soil and it could or is causing severe lockout

A nice heavy flush of 4 gallons of water once dry with 1-2% hydrogen peroxide per gallon or a flushing agent added should help a bit, then dial back the feedings to 10 to 14 days, and the lighter the feedings the better, underfeeding is easily corrected whereas over-feeding can cause big bad wolf problems.

Have you ever read into Hempy Buckets? if not you should, i recommend all heavy feeders to it as you can feed full strength from the beginning with little to no ill effects, just keep a cool head, don't panic and all should fix itself, if not just start some new mommies!

Ok i will try that, the reason the water was pHed 1st was because was getting more plain water than water and nute's. But gearing up for the "Corn Fields" were getting fed more to make more lil 1's...
Thanks
Pot

 

[Snype]

1. I was pHing water to 6.0 then adding nute's, I checked the pH after nute's a few times b4 and it only went up to about 6.1 or 6.2 so i did not bother checking anymore and adding them.

2. I pH it to 6

I gave them a root trim after about a week of the problem. I cut about 25% off all sides and repotted. They are no longer in FFOF I a buddy gave me some soil he uses(because I did not have any and could not make it to the hydro shop for awhile).
There is another lady just like her, same everything!! and no problem at all.

6.8?? In soil I thought for soil 6-6.5 was good...

Thanks

If you read the thread that you got the form in, you'll see that the best pH to have is 6.8. You can also see all the lockouts that you can get when you go lower than 6.6. I agree with what PotPatriot said.

 

[TheShroomDude]

If you read the thread that you got the form in, you'll see that the best pH to have is 6.8. You can also see all the lockouts that you can get when you go lower than 6.6. I agree with what PotPatriot said.

Oops, Damn. Well she was flushed with about 4 gallons of water pHed to about 6.5.
Should she get flushed again with water pHed to 6.8????

 

[Hydro-Soil]

IF it isn't getting any worse.... let it go. Quit messing with your pH so much... the other gal didn't have a problem. The difference between a pH of 7.0 and 6.5 isn't going to make that big of a difference, at this point.

Again... as long as it doesn't seem to be getting any worse.... quit messing with her. Give her time to adjust to the change and show you whether she's happy about it or not.

Stay Safe!

 

[TheShroomDude]

IF it isn't getting any worse.... let it go. Quit messing with your pH so much... the other gal didn't have a problem. The difference between a pH of 7.0 and 6.5 isn't going to make that big of a difference, at this point.

Again... as long as it doesn't seem to be getting any worse.... quit messing with her. Give her time to adjust to the change and show you whether she's happy about it or not.

Stay Safe!

Will make sure they do that!!!
Loving her to DEATH.
1 last question... Should the old bad leaves be cut off?? Or just left alone?

 

[jdkronyk101]

i gotta agree with both hydro and skype,
i would look to the 2gallon pot for six months to be the original source of the problem. now that there is established problem in the rootzone, many things can be going on. rootzone rot attracts many pests , funguses, and other nasty stuff. and to truly get to the bottom of this we need to define the soil mix you got from your friend too!
if you just move up to a five gallon and some name brand soil the problem will be gone in about two weeks if you keep the ph acceptable.
good luck
j.d.

 

[TheShroomDude]

Thanks all problem is solved! The flush did the trick. Gonna wait a lil while b4 taking any new babies just to be sure she is ready.