"Reasonable Suspicion" could allow Arizona cops to pull you over

[Cinderella99]

OK...I'll give you a hint HM....The first word begins with a P and the second an A....It's what allows the gov't to eavesdrop on ANY communication (say for example this one) without a warrant for "reasonable cause"... Courtesy the Cheney Admin

Couldn't resist lol

 

[Yes4Prop215]

this shit is bad in the sense that it gives cops more authority and power which they definately do not need. but at the same time AZ needs to stand up for itself and do something because Obama is sitting on his damn hands.

it also pisses me off because the illegals are gonna be tapped by the liberal democrats as a huge, uneducated, mindless voting block. All those millions of new votes because the dems promise amnesty and more free government handouts.

this is really a slap in the face to hard working, tax paying americans. Im not one of them, so it doesnt really piss me off or affect me...but if i was a law abiding american whos tax dollars were paying for Ms Gonzales kids to get a free education so she can put 22s on her SUV...it would piss me the hell off.

 

[Cinderella99]

"...Im not one of them, so it doesnt really piss me off or affect me..."

Oh, so I'm paying for your ass, huh?

Maybe I should feel the same way about you that you do about the "illegals" since you do use the highways my tax dollars pay for, yes? (and I pay a lot of freakin taxes, about maybe 15g's last year- not including property or sales tax- just income, but still probably not as much as I should )

Also, if you really thought about what you said, you'd realize that there is no free education for Mrs G's kids...Taxes are inescapable in this country-- especially if you have a family...But you-- you seem to have found a way around this?

By the way, it's racist imo for you to conclude that they would spend any of their hard earned $'s on 22's

Pardon me, but I'm a little hard of hearing the "I'm a deadbeat but I hate illegals sh*t".

Peace and Respect-- really

 

[hkush]

Hk, you say you are a Libertarian that doesn't think there's a role for government and you also say you don't expect charity or empathy from anybody, but I have a couple questions.

1) AZ, once it arrests all these people, needs to immediately hand them over/ dump them onto the Federal Government to deal with.

2) Why are you making your local "problems" my problem and asking me for my taxpayer money when the Federal Government has to deal with your issues? You're using up my resources! lol

Kinda selfish of AZ isn't it?

Weak. Considering one of the FEW federal powers is to regulate and enforce immigration regulations, I think they can find the money to do that. Take it out of the million unconstitutional things they steal my money for.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

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No where in there does it say to provide for the common health care. To provide for compassion to criminals. Take it out of that money.

Come to think of it, the word compassion, or empathy, or whatever other word for "vote buying slush fund" libs can think up doesn't appear at all in the constitution. Probably because the founders would have thought it absurd that the government should be a philanthropic gang of armed thieves, who steal in the name of compassion. .

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”
-James Madison

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

this shit is bad in the sense that it gives cops more authority and power which they definately do not need. but at the same time AZ needs to stand up for itself and do something because Obama is sitting on his damn hands.

AZ needs to go after the employers that bitch about government messing with their capitalistic greed and "freedom" to exploit illegal workers because they can't do it to citizens, lol. You might want to check your facts, Lindsey Graham is the one threatening to blow the show on immigration because he's not getting the timeliness he want's.

I'll tell you why Obama has a tough row to hoe. Employers of illegals have lobbyists in Washington and they stuff the pockets of enough would-be reformers to keep lawmakers divided, just like every lobby in DC.

it also pisses me off because the illegals are gonna be tapped by the liberal democrats as a huge, uneducated, mindless voting block. All those millions of new votes because the dems promise amnesty and more free government handouts.

I don't take offense over the above because I'm liberal. I'm offended that endless posts like this are unsubstantiated. There's not a lawmaker in the land that promotes free government handouts, overtly or covertly. Who the hell are you listening to? Or are you just making it up?

this is really a slap in the face to hard working, tax paying americans. Im not one of them, so it doesnt really piss me off or affect me...but if i was a law abiding american whos tax dollars were paying for Ms Gonzales kids to get a free education so she can put 22s on her SUV...it would piss me the hell off.

Admitting you don't pay taxes is the only fact in your entire rant. Even the comments about you being pissed and not pissed are in conflict. Stop listening to commentators that bitch and moan and don't substantiate their claims. Pay even less attention to the ones that assume their hate and fervor will influence you absent of facts.

BTW, you're pretty dense to admit you don't pay taxes yet feel it necessary to bitch about the very giveaways you yourself receive. Talk about hypocrisy.

 

[RugerBaby]

some of you people really shouldnt comment on this situation, if you're doing the exact same thing you're talking shit about.


"but if i was a law abiding american whos tax dollars were paying for Ms Gonzales kids to get a free education so she can put 22s on her SUV...it would piss me the hell off."

ignorance at its best! this our future!

lol

 

[medmaker420]

I stated an instance in my life that did happen. Was I outraged? of course, did I always get out of it? yes BUT what was I going to do, sue them for money that doesn't even belong to them?

You for one do not know me and are ASSuming you knew exactly what I did. Everytime I got pulled over I more than spoke my mind. I never was charged but sure as hell was out of place there. Was it profiling? yes but hell you should have seen how I looked back then. I wouldn't let me into my neighborhood when I was in my younger days LOL.

My point, cops go with their gut whether it is wrong or right. It is how you handle it, use your rights and choose what you want to say or say nothing at all.

I never got my vehicle searched except one time I had a buddy in the car who had a right to search due to some juvenile stuff he did. That however I don't think could have been stopped.

BTW what right was taken away from me when they pulled me over? Would love to hear that one, the right to drive peacefully on a public road?

I am not going to pull a lawyer card just cuz a cops a dick. I never paid anything, got ticketed but hasseled just the same. Should I have stood up from the rooftops screaming the injustice needs to stop? LOL I am no martyr and just like the many states lagging behind cali, many in the same situation would wait for someone else to hang their neck out on the line.

I find the post funny if anything. Maybe I should have just kept driving because they had zero probable cause then too huh? lol

And this didn't outrage you! When we all acknowledge things are wrong but dont act on it we are setting the new standard, and now your post makes it sound like "oh well, my rights got raped 15 times..but golly whatch gonna do?" you accept it.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yea guess im just a racist right winging hate monger militiaman lol. i dont even listen to glenn beck or alex jones either.

internet arguing is tired as fuck....get off the computer and go outside people, your little internet posts arent changing shit. all i said is im angry about it, not saying i care enough to really do shit, what the fuck can you do anyways go out and snitch on companies who hire illegals? i dont fucking care enough! but you all obviously do for getting all uptight about my posts.

i DO pay plenty of taxes....just not on my income because i work underground. guess im just like all those illegals then, just a dirty no good criminal! but at least my money goes back into the local economy im not sending it all to my relatives in another country!!

im OVER THIS!! you should be too!

 

[Cinderella99]

That's OK Yes4

You're OK

Just don't do it again LOL

 

[Yes4Prop215]

I don't take offense over the above because I'm liberal. I'm offended that endless posts like this are unsubstantiated. There's not a lawmaker in the land that promotes free government handouts, overtly or covertly. Who the hell are you listening to? Or are you just making it up?




BTW, you're pretty dense to admit you don't pay taxes yet feel it necessary to bitch about the very giveaways you yourself receive. Talk about hypocrisy.

WHAT FREE GIVEAWWAYS? WHERE? i must be missing out on free shit! haha please entertain me as to what "freebies" im getting from not claiming taxes on my crops? EVerything i pay for comes out of my pocket, no kickbacks. And "free use" of the road is BS because i buy a shitload of gas (taxes) pay a shitload of bridge tolls and pay a shitload of sales tax where i live 9.75%. thats MORE than enough to offset any "road usage".

Section 8, free public school education to anchor babies, how are those NOT free government handouts????

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yea maybe it was racist to assume she would buy 22s but i live in section 8 central and everyones rocking some big ass chrome wheels!

 

[Cinderella99]

Section 8, free public school education to anchor babies, how are those NOT free government handouts????

LOOK, I'll argue with you on Disco's behalf-- I've got nothing to do right now and disco may be busy.

When you think of taxes, think of a 3 legged stool

1) income tax
2) property tax
and biggest for local
3) sales tax

How can you not pay sales tax and feed a family?

If you're only paying sales tax, I hope you eat more than that "illegal" family. Otherwise, I think I might wanna have them in my community, PAYIN for my kids education 'stead of you...LOL

Yea, very funny

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

WHAT FREE GIVEAWWAYS? WHERE? i must be missing out on free shit! haha please entertain me as to what "freebies" im getting from not claiming taxes on my crops?

You went from not paying taxes and not caring about it to paying plenty of taxes to asking questions about taxes on something that's not even taxed yet, at least on a personal level.

And I'm not trying to bust yer balz, nobody wants to give illegals benefits they don't deserve. Hell, I want to see a day that all non-citizen workers are treated as such. As long as white employers are willing to increase their profits illegally, it's a tougher job to reform.

You see, our economy has elements that would tank if not for the migrant worker, regardless whether they're documented or not. Some industry is above board and only deals with documented workers. These workers (and employers) are not part of the problem.

The problem is under the table employers. Undocumented workers don't just show up and hope they'll get a job and a place to live on a whim and a prayer. They're brought in, even if they're responsible for making part of the journey on their own. When they cross the border, they're taken to jobs and a place to live. Since they're here we have to take care of their health and in some cases educate their children because we're human beings for crying out loud.

These unscrupulous employers lobby congress over their rights to make more profits. Some even bribe local and state lawmakers to look the other way. Focusing on "show me your papers" ignores these white employers and allows them to continue their business as usual and perpetuating the problem.

Part of the reason too many of us are crying about too many illegal Hispanics is because we have too many of us wanting them here. I can handle folks hating it but it's not just another reason to hate government. Part of the problem is capitalistic greed and some of it is our own desire for cheap/affordable commerce.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Weak. Considering one of the FEW federal powers is to regulate and enforce immigration regulations, I think they can find the money to do that. Take it out of the million unconstitutional things they steal my money for.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

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No where in there does it say to provide for the common health care. To provide for compassion to criminals. Take it out of that money.

Come to think of it, the word compassion, or empathy, or whatever other word for "vote buying slush fund" libs can think up doesn't appear at all in the constitution. Probably because the founders would have thought it absurd that the government should be a philanthropic gang of armed thieves, who steal in the name of compassion. .

No where is Social Security mentioned either, so should we get rid of it?
Also I would say most vote buying is done by rich conservatives and businesses, like the banking industry, and look at the results...
You only see the crimes of those you oppose, not the criminals that bankrupted the nation and world in the name of personal greed.
-SamS

 

[hkush]

No where is Social Security mentioned either, so should we get rid of it?
Also I would say most vote buying is done by rich conservatives and businesses, like the banking industry, and look at the results...
You only see the crimes of those you oppose, not the criminals that bankrupted the nation and world in the name of personal greed.
-SamS

Yes, social security isn't in there. Get rid of it.

In the real world, when you invest 10% of your earnings you retire a millionaire even with the most conservative of investments.

With the SSI ponzie scheme, you get 10% stolen right off the top of your check your entire life, and if you're lucky enough to retire you'll have enough in SSI benefits to pay property taxes, and eat the finest dog food.

Look to Chile

Thirty years ago, a young Jose Pinera, who had earned a Ph.D. at Harvard, was Chile's labor minister. He saw the coming disaster in the government old-age pension system.

Inspired by an idea from the late Nobel Prize winning economist, Milton Friedman, he developed a solution that empowers workers and gives them real financial security. Pinera-type social security systems have now been adopted by more than 30 countries and cover several hundred million people — for a very simple reason — it works!

Under the Pinera-type social security systems, workers are required to invest in highly diversified, qualified funds. Because they actually own their pension funds (like 401(k) funds in the United States), workers can choose their age of retirement, whether it is age 50 or 80. The longer they work, the more money they will have — but again each individual determines his or her own retirement age. (The very poor and those unable to work are still covered by a government system.)

Mr. Pinera is here in Berlin, selling his concept to German opinion leaders, as part of a multi-country "Free Market Road Show" sponsored by the European Center for Economic Growth and the Hayek Institute of Vienna, Austria.

The Chilean privatized system began in 1981, exactly 100 years after Bismarck instituted his system in Germany. It has been 29 years since the system went into effect in Chile so Mr. Pinera now can answer his critics, not only with theoretical arguments, but with hard data.

The results are remarkable. Chile's citizens have on average experienced a 10 percent per year, above inflation, compounded growth rate in their pension funds for the last 29 years. The result is most Chileans are no longer poor, but are, in fact, "small capitalists."

The Chilean government, increasingly freed from paying pensions out of tax funds (almost all Chileans have moved into the private accounts, though they could have stayed in the old government system), is now running a budget surplus of 10 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), which could pave the way for the abolition of the income tax.

The new Chilean system has provided so much investment capital that Chile moved from being a poor country to being a solid middle-income country with the highest per capita income in South America. Critics in the U.S. and elsewhere claim investing pension funds in stocks and bonds is risky, but the real risk to the elderly is being trapped in government social security schemes headed toward insolvency.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3258

 

[HydroManiac]

We've built more fence and manned more posts than we can afford. Do you agree we need more tax money for border security?

Do you have any statistics that show problematic "born in the USA" citizenship?

I'm just curious what you had taken away and what you want back. Were you sick and tired of the lowlife lawmakers in the last administration that are responsible for restricting your rights? Are you even aware what these restricted/lost rights are? Just asking.

To fully respond to what rights we have lost would require a lot of typing and should more then likely be a thread of it's own because there are so many. I don't even begin to think this started with people that are in office now it started long before them. Though I will add I don't see our president or the congress and senate doing a thing to really fix anything.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Yes, social security isn't in there. Get rid of it.

In the real world, when you invest 10% of your earnings you retire a millionaire even with the most conservative of investments.

With the SSI ponzie scheme, you get 10% stolen right off the top of your check your entire life, and if you're lucky enough to retire you'll have enough in SSI benefits to pay property taxes, and eat the finest dog food.

Look to Chile

If you look at only part of the picture you can prove almost anything, like get rid of Social Security, instead of fixing it, the Feds have used it as a feeding trough for years when they said it had more then was needed, sure thing...
BTW, In the real world you can invest 10% of your income each year and still end up broke. It all depends on where you put the funds, invest in ENRON or a whole lot of other failed business and you can lose half or a whole lot more, I know bank stocks I had from my father with a value of $26,000 were only worth less then $2,000 the last time I looked, 20 years of growth lost because of lack of SEC policing, they were to busy watching porn on their computers I guess. But to be honest there is no secure investment, wise up. When the housing market bubble collapsed, taking banks and investment firms with them, dropping the US stock market by 40% in 2008. And a whole lot of innocents fell with it all. Most houses fell 25-30% in value at least, even if you owned it for 25 years free and clear.
But you say to put your retirement funds where? Investment firms? Banks? Stock markets? Real Estate? There is no safe place, believe me. Even the Chinese who bought a Trillion of US Government secured notes, got screwed when the dollar fell sharply. There is no safe haven for retirement funds, that is why they say to diversify, because many will fall or fail, and no one knows which ones.
-SamS

 

[Burt]

I'm with hkush-SS is a massive ponzi scheme and is just one more way that the crooks in gov steal from those they work for-i'll keep my own money and not look for a handout-which is what SS started as-a fund for war widows-get rid of military industrial complex while we're at it since they are both in the same bed-how about them widows actual fucking protest the wars instead of becoming appeased by a fucking 2 cent handout? The SS also directly pays for their pharma buddies exhorbitant prices to keep these useless old fart bags alive a couple more years so they can squeeze every fucking penny they can out of the system
LOL-I bet you can't wait to retire on SS in the USA can you sam?

 

[blazin]

There is no safe haven for retirement funds, that is why they say to diversify, because many will fall or fail, and no one knows which ones.
-SamS

You hit it right on the button Sam, diversification is the only way.
Big proponent on this aphorism "Dont put all your eggs in one basket".

And you are right they probably was watchin porn on the pc.

 

[Burt]

"About as stupid as searching granny at the airport while the guy with the rag on his head breezes right through security."
easy there tiger-the day after 911, Sikhs were badly beaten in the USA-why? because idiots like you ASSumed they were muslims-a "rag" on ones head doesn't make one a muslim nor a terroist-your hatred is thinly disguised at best-a rag? what kind of a rag? a snot rag? a sweat rag?