joaquin386
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Amen
"Reasonable Suspicion" could allow Arizona cops to pull you over
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Amen
I'd like to think he'd be refreshing the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants, not his own. Mr. Jefferson was great with words, President Jackson was a lot bigger in the ball department and putting his bullets where his mouth was (even if he was a mean racist son of a bitch).
I think the anger at the US government is completely justified. The fact that other countries are worse doesn't change the fact that The Land of the Free is really "The Land of the Controlled Sheep."
Try a little mutual respect. We're all interested in advocating a point of view. It's incumbent on individuals to respect those we disagree with, otherwise it delegitimizes our own ideas.
They're the two topics you were raised to avoid discussing in mixed company for a reason. If you feel religion and politics need discussion, your point of view is every bit as important as the next person's. The way you reflect or reject acceptance of others that disagree will determine whether your discussions are positive.
Your vote is your damn solid weapon. Fights and arguments aren't a positive environment for debate issues, let alone a forum primarily designed for commerce and service of the common interest.
If you want to fight, go to the gym. If you want to argue, there are plenty of political websites you can let it all hang out. It's apparent you wish to engage like minds but unfortunately it's not allowed here. I've read practically every moderator explain it's our personal infighting that gets the scrutiny, not the topic (except for politics and for good reason.) If you're aggressive in your approach, you should respect the other opinion unless you expect it to get personal. Folks won't get personal with you unless they feel you discount their equal right to opine.
Depends on what "us" is.
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No comment.
Yes, I understand the little quote there. I am a racist for wanting to enforce immigration laws. I don't agree with you calling me a racist, but you are free to call anyone a racist that you want moderator.
A reiterate that Mexicos immigration laws are the ones that need fixing, as by your definition, they are racist for having them. Funnily, Canada is about the same in their treatment of people sneaking over their border. And actually, now that I think about it, most countries are far worse. Japan enforces racism. Stores and business lawfully exclude people based on race, with the help of the police. Youtube it. And I don't think I need to even mention any Arab country who is basically in the stone age when it comes to treatment of foreigners and other religions.
But to you, it is the USA that is evil and racist. I understand the defective thinking of fear, fear of envy, and the left in general. Trust me. I understand that they project their own mental defects onto others, as if it was them who is the racist one. But we all know who the real racists are don't we? The ones that are hard wired to ONLY see classes and race. And use that hard wired world view of racists and classes to conduct war on the ones who aren't racist. Race war, class war... who does that? Think hard.
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Cinderella99
hk, I'm gonna have to go ahead and agree to disagree with you...That is, in the most agreeable way possible..
I don't see where Sam get's near calling you a racist.
Well said, Disco. I agree that there's a big need to be civil to each other and the level of civility demonstrated to one another in the thickest heat of disagreement is a true measure of a thread's/poster's positivity. As far as completely keeping politics/opinions/whatnot out of this thread...If somebody wants the news, they can go to the news section-- a "forum" is for discussion and opinion, not just the facts imo. I agree the thread should be practical, but I don't know what useful action items could be suggested for the Hispanic citizens of AZ given yesterdays signature by Brewer other than watch your asses.
hk, you should seek to understand first, my friend. You'll find that many agree with you that there is an issue and something has to be done, the question is how are you going to do it. Do you think AZ is the only state that has an abundance of illegal immigrants? We have many of the same issues* with illegal immigrants that you neighbors do, we just haven't given card blanch to profile based on skin color like AZ has. In many folks opinion, there are other, better ways to handle this-- that's all we're saying here.
*Incidentally, there's been several studies done recently by nonpartisan groups that show that on average, per capita, illegals actually add to our economy, mostly through local sales tax. Not sure about your neighborhood, bro, but they're talkin overall. It's not as clear cut a case that they're draining our resources as you hear in Kyl and Brewer's sound bites. In tough times, politicians like to point the finger and create a common enemy-- their timing is impeccable since 1) jobs are scarce and many perceive the immigrants to be stealing their jobs 2) there's all this drug violence close to our borders and 3) with the healthcare debate recently, there's been a lot of attention paid to the "lifeboat ethic" of limited resources. I'd be much more wary, if I were you, of your local politicians. Don't jump on that bandwagon of anti-immigrant hysteria too quickly until you know where it leads, friend.
Plus, how the hell much do I gotta pay for good yardwork now
I happen to be somebody that is not a "self loathing" American that is overly concerned about how we, as a country appear (that's ridiculous lol), but a Patriot who firmly believes that part of what makes America great is ...found in how they treat their weakest and most helpless citizens... It's called empathy-- it's a really useful character trait. You have to be strong to demonstrate it because it usually involves you going out of your way for someone else for no clear personal gain. But make no mistake, if they can profile/hassle people based on appearance now, what's to stop further transgressions to our civil liberties like reading your email or listening to your phone calls because a cybercrimes detective found out you visited this site. We're all in it together and, for me, standing up for the liberties that make this country free and great is the highest form of Patriotism I can show. It is American and patriotic to question unfair laws.
Whatever the case may be, imo, there is never a case for enabling racial profiling to the degree that it has been. My concern is not for the criminals that are racing back over the border, but with all of the upstanding Hispanic citizens that will be pulled over and hassled based on their skin color or because Arpaio's deputy doesn't like the way they look. You seem to have a lot of faith in the infallibility of state law and the local po-po's judgment, man. That's odd coming from a grower.
-Respectfully
I don't see where Sam get's near calling you a racist.
Well said, Disco. I agree that there's a big need to be civil to each other and the level of civility demonstrated to one another in the thickest heat of disagreement is a true measure of a thread's/poster's positivity. As far as completely keeping politics/opinions/whatnot out of this thread...If somebody wants the news, they can go to the news section-- a "forum" is for discussion and opinion, not just the facts imo. I agree the thread should be practical, but I don't know what useful action items could be suggested for the Hispanic citizens of AZ given yesterdays signature by Brewer other than watch your asses.
hk, you should seek to understand first, my friend. You'll find that many agree with you that there is an issue and something has to be done, the question is how are you going to do it. Do you think AZ is the only state that has an abundance of illegal immigrants? We have many of the same issues* with illegal immigrants that you neighbors do, we just haven't given card blanch to profile based on skin color like AZ has. In many folks opinion, there are other, better ways to handle this-- that's all we're saying here.
*Incidentally, there's been several studies done recently by nonpartisan groups that show that on average, per capita, illegals actually add to our economy, mostly through local sales tax. Not sure about your neighborhood, bro, but they're talkin overall. It's not as clear cut a case that they're draining our resources as you hear in Kyl and Brewer's sound bites. In tough times, politicians like to point the finger and create a common enemy-- their timing is impeccable since 1) jobs are scarce and many perceive the immigrants to be stealing their jobs 2) there's all this drug violence close to our borders and 3) with the healthcare debate recently, there's been a lot of attention paid to the "lifeboat ethic" of limited resources. I'd be much more wary, if I were you, of your local politicians. Don't jump on that bandwagon of anti-immigrant hysteria too quickly until you know where it leads, friend.
Plus, how the hell much do I gotta pay for good yardwork now
I happen to be somebody that is not a "self loathing" American that is overly concerned about how we, as a country appear (that's ridiculous lol), but a Patriot who firmly believes that part of what makes America great is ...found in how they treat their weakest and most helpless citizens... It's called empathy-- it's a really useful character trait. You have to be strong to demonstrate it because it usually involves you going out of your way for someone else for no clear personal gain. But make no mistake, if they can profile/hassle people based on appearance now, what's to stop further transgressions to our civil liberties like reading your email or listening to your phone calls because a cybercrimes detective found out you visited this site. We're all in it together and, for me, standing up for the liberties that make this country free and great is the highest form of Patriotism I can show. It is American and patriotic to question unfair laws.
Whatever the case may be, imo, there is never a case for enabling racial profiling to the degree that it has been. My concern is not for the criminals that are racing back over the border, but with all of the upstanding Hispanic citizens that will be pulled over and hassled based on their skin color or because Arpaio's deputy doesn't like the way they look. You seem to have a lot of faith in the infallibility of state law and the local po-po's judgment, man. That's odd coming from a grower.
-Respectfully
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HippyJohnny
What does this have to do with right or left?
All I want is the right to be left the hell alone. This law is just one more possibility for a policeman to "take control".
The kind of thinking that supports this type of police state action created the random piss test.
How does it feel to have authority look at your genitals while pissing?
If you cant see the correlation thats the problem.
All I want is the right to be left the hell alone. This law is just one more possibility for a policeman to "take control".
The kind of thinking that supports this type of police state action created the random piss test.
How does it feel to have authority look at your genitals while pissing?
If you cant see the correlation thats the problem.
they can do whatever the fuck they want. biggest gang in america
Ideally we treat everyone equally, regardless. If you want to give to charity, be my guest, but anything more, such as giving whats mine to charity is stealing (not empathy) .
Also, criminals in this country, which is all of the illegal aliens, should be treated equally to other criminals in the US. Not governments job to have "empathy". Thats your job if you choose it.
Enforce the law, its just about their only job, and it's the only thing they don't want to do. But maybe now, illegals all leave AZ, and go to a state that wants them. If what you say is true, and they are a boon to the economy, its more benefit for the state that lets them in.
If it was up to me personally, I'd take (as in TAKE) Baja, and part of Mexico mainland and keep it for the US. But they won't let me be president. It'd be win win for both regions though.
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Cinderella99
LOL....Spoken like a true Goldwater Libertarian
No thanks on that offer...We're all stocked up already...
As far as your strong feelings about criminals in this country, you have considered your audience and you do realize that you're on a grow site, yes?
I won't go down there now, too much crime...
Now, the Star-Bell Sneetches had bellies with stars.
The Plain-Belly Sneetches had none upon thars.
Those stars weren’t so big. They were really so small.
You might think such a thing wouldn’t matter at all.
No thanks on that offer...We're all stocked up already...
As far as your strong feelings about criminals in this country, you have considered your audience and you do realize that you're on a grow site, yes?
I won't go down there now, too much crime...
Now, the Star-Bell Sneetches had bellies with stars.
The Plain-Belly Sneetches had none upon thars.
Those stars weren’t so big. They were really so small.
You might think such a thing wouldn’t matter at all.
You want to stop illegal aliens? Stop employers from being able to exploit undocumented workers. When an illegal of any country knows they can't get easy employment, the wave will wane.
As long as employers have enough money to lobby government or are willing to illegally employ undocumented aliens, we'll have this situation.
But be careful when you slam the door. You have to know about the economic consequences you'll suffer when alien workers are blocked and American citizens don't fill the void.
This is why it's a difficult problem to solve. If one only cares about a single side of the issue, it's no wonder their blood boils because they don't consider all the facts and consequences. IMO, anybody that wants to toss elements of our economic equation w/o considering how to deal with the negative consequences is willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. These folks are the loudest in the audience but deserve the least attention.
It's a delicate bridge that needs repair. Every day we cross at our own gain or peril. Some want to fix the bridge and others want to blow it to smithereens and take their chances we'll just build it back better than before. But this bridge is special and very complicated. The better solution may be to repair what works and only fix what's broken.
As long as we have employers that advocate differently than citizens, we'll always have different points of view over what needs salvaging vs what needs demolition.
The ones that tune out others' interests are the ones that thwart a compromise solution. We need to realize a crash course to fringe interests isn't the way to go. Employers can't continue to successfully lobby lawmakers against the will of the majority of Americans. A segment of the American population can't expect the government to shoot our economic face to spite our foot of intolerance. We all need to realize others have legitimate concerns, even if we don't share them ourselves. Compromise is the only way out of this problem.
George W. Bush understood this and I never imagined defending his position on anything.
As long as employers have enough money to lobby government or are willing to illegally employ undocumented aliens, we'll have this situation.
But be careful when you slam the door. You have to know about the economic consequences you'll suffer when alien workers are blocked and American citizens don't fill the void.
This is why it's a difficult problem to solve. If one only cares about a single side of the issue, it's no wonder their blood boils because they don't consider all the facts and consequences. IMO, anybody that wants to toss elements of our economic equation w/o considering how to deal with the negative consequences is willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. These folks are the loudest in the audience but deserve the least attention.
It's a delicate bridge that needs repair. Every day we cross at our own gain or peril. Some want to fix the bridge and others want to blow it to smithereens and take their chances we'll just build it back better than before. But this bridge is special and very complicated. The better solution may be to repair what works and only fix what's broken.
As long as we have employers that advocate differently than citizens, we'll always have different points of view over what needs salvaging vs what needs demolition.
The ones that tune out others' interests are the ones that thwart a compromise solution. We need to realize a crash course to fringe interests isn't the way to go. Employers can't continue to successfully lobby lawmakers against the will of the majority of Americans. A segment of the American population can't expect the government to shoot our economic face to spite our foot of intolerance. We all need to realize others have legitimate concerns, even if we don't share them ourselves. Compromise is the only way out of this problem.
George W. Bush understood this and I never imagined defending his position on anything.
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HippyJohnny
You do realize that cultivation and or consumption of cannabis makes us federal criminals and would you like to quote the above at the beginning of our jury selection?
See the issue has nothing to do with immigration, linkage is the technique being used. Looks like many take the linkage and ignore the core.
I really may be oversimplifying but it is about loss of liberty and nothing more.
The rest is just meant to make us want to give away rights.
You want something done about it? Forget the Mexicans, bust the fucking corporate interests that are commiting wage slavery for jobs that Americans "won't do", such as construction sites (I'd LOVE to have a construction job right about now), factory work (yep, i'd love one of those, too), restaurant work (hell yeah, I'd take it) and all the other jobs that AMERICAN CITIZENS should have first dibs at.
You can't blame the powerless Mexicans here. You gotta bust the businesses for trying to drive slaves - all while executive salaries and bonuses go through the fucking roof. It makes my blood boil.
By the way, Mexico has tremendous resources. It just has very, very corrupt legislators. Rather than come here to steal our jobs, I'd like to see these young Mexican bastards overthrow their POS government.
Again... more corporate bullshit that's come down the pipe.
America USED to be open to anyone willing to WORK HARD and BE FREE. Now you have to jump through flaming hoops and pay money.
Tell me again why they're "illegal" aliens?
Remove the honey and the flies go away.
The smirking chimpanzee of which you speak, understood one thing: Corporate interest and increased profit for said interest. Get real.
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Cinderella99
I think Disco's point was that even Dubya was smart enough not to monkey with the immigration issue because of the complexities/ roots in our macro economy (and potential election day fallout). Instead, Dubya just allowed our macro economy to be driven off a cliff...
Ya can't teach a Sneetch...or can ya?
Immigration law polarizes Arizonans
By Emanuella Grinberg, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* Arizona college student carries three pieces of ID to prove citizenship, fears being detained
* Phoenix mayor, advocacy group plan legal challenges to the measure
* Supporters say law fills federal government's role in addressing immigration reform
* Youth activists in Arizona take lead in organizing protests
(CNN) -- These days, Jessica Mejia doesn't leave the house without three pieces of identification to prove her citizenship.
Mejia, a University of Arizona student who was born and raised in Tucson, says the habit formed last week, after a series of raids in Arizona targeting illegal immigrants. And now, a new state law that cracks down on illegal immigration has given her more cause for concern.
"Even if you're legal, you're in fear that maybe your driver's license isn't going to be enough or if you're walking down the street and the police stop you," said Mejia, 21. "It's a constant fear we're living in and even legal citizens are afraid to go out."
Senate Bill 1070 is set to take effect in August or September, if it withstands legal challenges that a number of groups who oppose the legislation are expected to raise.
Mejia's concerns were echoed by others in Tucson and across the country who oppose the legislation, which requires police to question people if they have reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally.
Mejia, who helped organize a protest in front of the state capitol Friday, is one of many student activists in Arizona organizing against SB 1070.
The law also requires legal immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times. But U.S. citizens like Mejia, who identifies herself as Chicana, says she carries her driver's license, voter registration card and school fingerprint card at all times out of fear of being racially profiled.
"How can you tell what will give an officer reasonable suspicion to stop you?" she said. "We understand there's a need for protection on the border, but we think it should come more with immigration reform, not by pulling over people and stopping them on the street."
Opposition to the bill is also coming from elected officials at various levels of government in Arizona. Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon said he has scheduled an item for the Tuesday session of City Council to prepare for legal action against SB 1070.
"I will direct the city manager and city attorney to file a lawsuit against the state to enjoin the law from going into effect and have it declared unconstitutional," he said.
Supporters of the law say it fills a void left by the federal government's failure to properly address immigration reform.
"One of the few enumerated, delegated and specified duties and powers given to the federal government in the Constitution is to provide for the common defense of the nation. In this they have failed by not securing the border and by not keeping immigration law up to date with the needs of our nation," said CNN iReporter Tom B., a defense contractor in Iraq who didn't want his last name to be used for security reasons.
Read why iReporter supports law
"This law will allow local law enforcement in the course of their duties to question individuals in regards to their immigration status. Since Arizona is a border state they are the site of the main issue at hand," he said in an e-mail.
Arizona state Rep. Russ Jones, who voted for the bill, said the state felt compelled to craft its own legislation.
"Until the federal government actually puts up an effective border fence securing our southern border, we cannot sit back and hope for the best while our laws are broken every day and the hands of law enforcement are tied."
Gov. Jan Brewer signed the legislation Friday, citing border-related crime as a key factor. She also issued an executive order that requires additional training for local officers on how to implement the law without engaging in racial profiling or discrimination.
The rules, to be established in by the Arizona Peace Officers Standards and Training Board, are due back to her in May. The law goes into effect 90 days after the close of the legislative session, which has not been determined.
Other police organizations that support the bill, including the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, say the legislation has numerous safeguards to protect the rights of minority groups.
"The bill requires reasonable suspicion for officers to make contact and also contains language that allows officers discretion in enforcing the law," a statement on the group's website says. "Officers cannot stop a person based solely on race, color, or national origin."
The Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police, which had opposed the measure, issued a statement saying, "Law enforcement professionals in the state of Arizona will enforce the provisions of the new law to the best of their abilities."
The bill's passage immediately triggered vows from advocacy groups across the country to pursue legal action to stop it in its tracks.
Victor Viramontes, senior legal counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, said his organization plans to ask the federal government for a permanent injunction to prevent the law from taking effect.
"What we need is singular immigration policy, and that's what the Constitution mandates. The Arizona statute stands in the way of the federal government's ability to do its job by overwhelming the system," Viramontes said.
Most undocumented immigrants follow the laws of the country, Viramontes said, and deserve the same human rights afforded U.S. citizens.
"Sometimes it's politically expedient to target undocumented immigrants and push them further into shadows, but they're already some of the most vulnerable to civil rights abuse, and the Legislature's role should be to protect these contributing members of society."
On the ground in Arizona, students and young people are at the forefront of the fight, using social media and technology to organize.
"As soon as [Brewer] signed that bill it shook the hornet's nest. It awoke not only Arizona, not only our community, but the nation," said Jeff Santino, a student organizer and graduate student at the University of Arizona. "People are all flooding us with support and I think we need to garner that support."
Mejia said her generation owes it to future generations to ensure they don't grow up in a society that legalizes discrimination. She said she also feels a debt to her parents and grandparents, who may be too busy working to support their families to engage in a political fight.
"I feel like it's a really big responsibility on our shoulders to protect our community when they don't have voice in what's going on."
CNN's Thelma Gutierrez contributed to this report.
Ya can't teach a Sneetch...or can ya?
Immigration law polarizes Arizonans
By Emanuella Grinberg, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* Arizona college student carries three pieces of ID to prove citizenship, fears being detained
* Phoenix mayor, advocacy group plan legal challenges to the measure
* Supporters say law fills federal government's role in addressing immigration reform
* Youth activists in Arizona take lead in organizing protests
(CNN) -- These days, Jessica Mejia doesn't leave the house without three pieces of identification to prove her citizenship.
Mejia, a University of Arizona student who was born and raised in Tucson, says the habit formed last week, after a series of raids in Arizona targeting illegal immigrants. And now, a new state law that cracks down on illegal immigration has given her more cause for concern.
"Even if you're legal, you're in fear that maybe your driver's license isn't going to be enough or if you're walking down the street and the police stop you," said Mejia, 21. "It's a constant fear we're living in and even legal citizens are afraid to go out."
Senate Bill 1070 is set to take effect in August or September, if it withstands legal challenges that a number of groups who oppose the legislation are expected to raise.
Mejia's concerns were echoed by others in Tucson and across the country who oppose the legislation, which requires police to question people if they have reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally.
Mejia, who helped organize a protest in front of the state capitol Friday, is one of many student activists in Arizona organizing against SB 1070.
The law also requires legal immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times. But U.S. citizens like Mejia, who identifies herself as Chicana, says she carries her driver's license, voter registration card and school fingerprint card at all times out of fear of being racially profiled.
"How can you tell what will give an officer reasonable suspicion to stop you?" she said. "We understand there's a need for protection on the border, but we think it should come more with immigration reform, not by pulling over people and stopping them on the street."
Opposition to the bill is also coming from elected officials at various levels of government in Arizona. Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon said he has scheduled an item for the Tuesday session of City Council to prepare for legal action against SB 1070.
"I will direct the city manager and city attorney to file a lawsuit against the state to enjoin the law from going into effect and have it declared unconstitutional," he said.
Supporters of the law say it fills a void left by the federal government's failure to properly address immigration reform.
"One of the few enumerated, delegated and specified duties and powers given to the federal government in the Constitution is to provide for the common defense of the nation. In this they have failed by not securing the border and by not keeping immigration law up to date with the needs of our nation," said CNN iReporter Tom B., a defense contractor in Iraq who didn't want his last name to be used for security reasons.
Read why iReporter supports law
"This law will allow local law enforcement in the course of their duties to question individuals in regards to their immigration status. Since Arizona is a border state they are the site of the main issue at hand," he said in an e-mail.
Arizona state Rep. Russ Jones, who voted for the bill, said the state felt compelled to craft its own legislation.
"Until the federal government actually puts up an effective border fence securing our southern border, we cannot sit back and hope for the best while our laws are broken every day and the hands of law enforcement are tied."
Gov. Jan Brewer signed the legislation Friday, citing border-related crime as a key factor. She also issued an executive order that requires additional training for local officers on how to implement the law without engaging in racial profiling or discrimination.
The rules, to be established in by the Arizona Peace Officers Standards and Training Board, are due back to her in May. The law goes into effect 90 days after the close of the legislative session, which has not been determined.
Other police organizations that support the bill, including the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, say the legislation has numerous safeguards to protect the rights of minority groups.
"The bill requires reasonable suspicion for officers to make contact and also contains language that allows officers discretion in enforcing the law," a statement on the group's website says. "Officers cannot stop a person based solely on race, color, or national origin."
The Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police, which had opposed the measure, issued a statement saying, "Law enforcement professionals in the state of Arizona will enforce the provisions of the new law to the best of their abilities."
The bill's passage immediately triggered vows from advocacy groups across the country to pursue legal action to stop it in its tracks.
Victor Viramontes, senior legal counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, said his organization plans to ask the federal government for a permanent injunction to prevent the law from taking effect.
"What we need is singular immigration policy, and that's what the Constitution mandates. The Arizona statute stands in the way of the federal government's ability to do its job by overwhelming the system," Viramontes said.
Most undocumented immigrants follow the laws of the country, Viramontes said, and deserve the same human rights afforded U.S. citizens.
"Sometimes it's politically expedient to target undocumented immigrants and push them further into shadows, but they're already some of the most vulnerable to civil rights abuse, and the Legislature's role should be to protect these contributing members of society."
On the ground in Arizona, students and young people are at the forefront of the fight, using social media and technology to organize.
"As soon as [Brewer] signed that bill it shook the hornet's nest. It awoke not only Arizona, not only our community, but the nation," said Jeff Santino, a student organizer and graduate student at the University of Arizona. "People are all flooding us with support and I think we need to garner that support."
Mejia said her generation owes it to future generations to ensure they don't grow up in a society that legalizes discrimination. She said she also feels a debt to her parents and grandparents, who may be too busy working to support their families to engage in a political fight.
"I feel like it's a really big responsibility on our shoulders to protect our community when they don't have voice in what's going on."
CNN's Thelma Gutierrez contributed to this report.
You're the one that needs to get real. Economics is a complex issue and if you let your immigration policy mess it up, the big picture will be worse than it is atm.
Policies need to be fixed but one needs to prepare for a safe landing when jerking the rug from underneath a large aspect of the economy.
Sure he did. He actually wanted to make it much easier for business to hire illegals.
His administration had worked neoconism into a complete science. Dirt cheap, desperate labor is a big part of that. An absolute shit world these fuckers would have us live in.
Originally, the argument for outside labor was centered upon the fact that farm work required migrating. What argument do have for the tremendous number of displacements in construction? How about restaurants? Factories?
I didn't think so.
You need to understand that wages have been suppressed - bad - while the rich have gotten richer...and richer...and richer. It's happened almost entirely due to slave labor and drastically lowered tax burdens on the wealthy. Straight up. The infrastructure is falling apart due to those lowered tax burdens, too, by the way.
If the company needs to put out more money to attract an American for a particular job, then that's the way it is. Americans are due American jobs. Simple.
