Peroxide Questions!!!

[ganja_hasi]

question...

if you cannot over-water coco, why don't we see continuous water/feed coco systems? even coco slabs have timed drip intervals.

as soon as the coco fiber has filled with water/solution,
then, can not absorb any more water/solution . That's the reason
why you don't see any permanently watering by cocos or stonewool or oasis
or corels!
that would be a pure waste of water/solution.

 

[ganja_hasi]

coco can be over-watered...

that's your opinion, which I don't share!

don't see how over-watering has anything to do w/ h202, though.... 2 entirely different topics.

why do a man use h2o2 ? answer this question to yourself and then
you will maybe see, that, that's one and the same topic!

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

If your coco is over-watered, you dont didn't pick a pot with good enough drainage.

 

[*mistress*]

that's your opinion, which I don't share!


why do a man use h2o2 ? answer this question to yourself and then
you will maybe see, that, that's one and the same topic!

dont know why a 'man' would use it, but Lady gardener use h202 for:

1. add oxygen to media
2. reduce organic matter
3. deter insects

none of those goals has anything to do w/ watering coco.
watering coco is different topic altogether.
see no connection to h202 - whether it is applied or not has no effect of root water requirements.

If your coco is over-watered, you dont didn't pick a pot with good enough drainage.

even w/ excellent drainage (50/50 coco/perlite) there still point where the plant has received adequate amount of water for that day...
w/ 4x4x4 plant, in ~5-10 gal container, this amount seems slightly less than 1 gal/day...
watering more does nothing for the plant. so, watering over 1 gal/day w/ 5 gal containers of trees is over-watering... or, maybe, a waste of water & nutes...

drainage is not the issue. it is the coco itself... which retains lots of water. holding water in the center of the container (where gardener cant see) often occur. same as sponge. water dispersed evenly, but still saturated... center possibly logged.
this where roots become brown, due to lack of oxygen, which lead to anaerobic conditions in media. h202 prevent anaerobic build-up in the media. oxidizes lot of organic material that may affect ph, nutes, or root health.

there are several threads on ic about watering coco... *mistress* replied to a couple. maybe have different methods than many gardeners...

these may be helpful:
watering...
Is there a standard water ratio for pot size on a drip system ?

h202 notes...

It is this hydrogen peroxide in rainwater that makes it so much more effective than tap water when given to plants. With the increased levels of atmospheric pollution, however, greater amounts of H202 react with air-borne toxins and never reach the ground. To compensate for this, many farmers have been increasing crop yields by spraying them with diluted hydrogen peroxide (5 to 16 ounces of 35% mixed with 20 gallons of water per acre). You can achieve the same beneficial effect with your house plants by adding 1 ounce of 3% hydrogen peroxide (or 16 drops of 35% solution) to every quart of water you give your plants. (It can also be made into an excellent safe insecticide. Simply spray your plants with 8 ounces of 3% peroxide mixed with 8 ounces of white sugar and one gallon of water.) Hydrogen peroxide is odorless and colorless, but not tasteless. When stored under the proper conditions, it is a very stable compound. When kept in the absence of light and contaminants, it dismutates (breaks down) very slowly at the rate of about 10% a year. (This can be slowed even further by storing the liquid in the freezer.) It boils at 152 degrees C and freezes at minus 2 degrees C.

When exposed to other compounds hydrogen peroxide dismutates readily. The extra oxygen atom is released leaving H20 (water). In nature oxygen (02) consists of two atoms--a very stable combination. A single atom of oxygen, however, is very reactive and is referred to as a free radical. Over the past several years, we've continually read that these free radicals are responsible for all types of ailments and even premature aging. What many writers seem to forget, however, is that our bodies create and use free radicals to destroy harmful bacteria, viruses, and fungi. In fact, the cells responsible for fighting infection and foreign invaders in the body (your white blood cells) make hydrogen peroxide and use it to oxidize any offending culprits. The intense bubbling you see when hydrogen peroxide comes in contact with a bacteria-laden cut or wound is the oxygen being released and bacteria being destroyed. The ability of our cells to produce hydrogen peroxide is essential for life. H202 is not some undesirable by-product or toxin, but instead a basic requirement for good health.
Newer research indicates we need hydrogen peroxide for a multitude of other chemical reactions that take place throughout the body. For example, we now know that vitamin C helps fight infections by producing hydrogen peroxide, which in turn stimulates the production of prostaglandins. Also lactobacillus found in the colon and vagina produce hydrogen peroxide. This destroys harmful bacteria and viruses, preventing colon disease, vaginitis, bladder infections and a host of other common ailments. (Infect Dis News Aug.8,91:5). When lactobacillus in the colon or vaginal tract have been overrun with harmful viruses, yeast, or bacteria, an effective douche or enema solution can be made using 3 tablespoons of 3% H202 in 1 quart of distilled water. Keep in mind, however, that a good bacterial flora must always be re-established in theses areas to achieve lasting results.
Aerobic versus Anerobic
While we are discussing enemas and douches, there is another misconception about H202 I need to address. The friendly bacteria in the colon and vagina are aerobic. In other words, they flourish in high oxygen environments and thrive in the presence of oxygen rich H202. On the other hand, most strains of harmful bacteria (and cancer cells) are anaerobic and cannot survive in the presence of oxygen or H202. We can agree that hydrogen peroxide produced within individual body cells is essential for life. And no one doubts its effectiveness when it comes to treating infections topically. The controversy deals with ingesting the substance orally or introducing it into the body intravenously. The dispute has been going on for decades, and considering the attitude of our medical community, it will continue for many more decades to come.
I'll admit I was skeptical when I first learned about using H202 orally or intravenously. This healthy dose of skepticism, however, lead to a great deal of investigation, clinical work and experimentation. And while I realize a large majority of readers will probably never be convinced that H202 is a safe and effective compound, I am. Hydrogen peroxide is safe, readily available and dirt cheap. And best of all, it works! No one yet fully understands the complete workings of hydrogen peroxide. We do know that it is loaded with oxygen. (A pint of the food-grade 35% solution contains the equivalent of 130 pints of oxygen. A pint of 3% hydrogen peroxide found at the local drugstore contains 10 pints of oxygen. And a pint of the 6% solution used to bleach hair contains 20 pints of oxygen.) We also know that when H202 is taken into the body (orally or intravenously) the oxygen content of the blood and body tissues increases dramatically. Early researchers felt these increases were simply due to the extra oxygen molecule being released. This doesn't however, appear to be the case.
Only very diluted amounts of H202 are ever introduced into the body. The small amount of oxygen present couldn't be solely responsible for the dramatic changes that take place. Dr. Charles Farr, a strong proponent of intravenous use, has discovered another possible answer. Dr. Farr has shown that hydrogen peroxide stimulates enzyme systems throughout the body. This triggers an increase in the metabolic rate, causes small arteries to dilate and increase blood flow, enhances the body's distribution and consumption of oxygen and raises body temperature (Proceedings of the International Conference on Bio-Oxidative Medicine 1989, 1990, 1991).

hope this helps.

enjoy your garden!

 

[dmt]

anything can be over fed, even hydroton with a full throttle and small plants, d

 

[Duckmang]

You may be able to over water in coco but one of the biggest indoor trees I have seen was grown in a recirc. constant drip coco setup. It's not how I do it and I even suggested to the grower to cycle it but he wasn't interested in my input as obviously it was working his way. The amazing thing is that he didn't have to add any peroxide to grow this monster whose rootzone was always saturated. I know b/c I fed it for him for 1/2 of the grow due to his broken arm.