possible 10k loss here

[bombadil.360]

I seriously doubt that the flush is what caused his plant to get sick... obviously it was the poison and the mis-instruction given to him by the ignoramuses at the shop he bought the poison at.

a plant that big could be transplanted to clean soil after washing away all the contaminated soil, and prune it a bit as well.

good luck

 

[aasin527]

wow! really?

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

I seriously doubt that the flush is what caused his plant to get sick... obviously it was the poison and the mis-instruction given to him by the ignoramuses at the shop he bought the poison at.

It's hardly a hardcore poison that is going to kill a plant, especially at half the recommended rates.

Azadirachtin(azamax/azatrol) is just the concentrated active from Neem oil and is pretty safe to use in every horticultural facet. The azamax label has a whole section for drenches, including in soil.

Search around, there are lots of people who use it as a soil drench without negative repercussion.

 

[Xtensity]

Sounds like you drowned them

 

[bombadil.360]

It's hardly a hardcore poison that is going to kill a plant, especially at half the recommended rates.

Azadirachtin(azamax/azatrol) is just the concentrated active from Neem oil and is pretty safe to use in every horticultural facet. The azamax label has a whole section for drenches, including in soil.

Search around, there are lots of people who use it as a soil drench without negative repercussion.

I did not know that Azamax was just the concentrated active found in neem oil.

You could be right then.

pardon me and thank you for teaching me something new today

much peace!

 

[swordfish]

sorry bro but its not poison, if you followed the directions a soil drench shoul be 100% safe, what dose did you give it? let the plant drench out and foilar in the mean time.... i really like advanced revive for these situations but any nutes diluted the right way will help.

I seriously doubt that the flush is what caused his plant to get sick... obviously it was the poison and the mis-instruction given to him by the ignoramuses at the shop he bought the poison at.

a plant that big could be transplanted to clean soil after washing away all the contaminated soil, and prune it a bit as well.

good luck

 

[funkervogt]

I soil drenched some young plants with azamax, low dose, and nearly killed them. Brought them back from the brink after a soil transplant and lots of time, but you're in a very different situation.

EDIT: It did kill my fungus gnats, though!

 

[FinestKind]

moral of this story?
azamax foliar good
azamax soil drench...bad
the guys at the hydro store should have known this and warned me
i guess i must now go and educate those 10 dollar an hour whores
it did a bang up job on the actual bugs
reduced population by 90% after 1 foliar application
soil application was at 1/2 recommended dose
if i actually wanted to do the next foliar application i would have to lift every leaf up and spray
considering terminating contract with said plant
people always warn to treat these bugs like spanish flu
and just looking at this plant makes me ill

I was just about to say that... I don't understand why you would want to soil drench for the Borg anyway... soil drenching is either for a) going systemic, which would, I suppose, help keep an infestation from starting, or b) for things which are in the soil (thrip and fungus gnat larvae, for instance)... I had been wondering about using it for my fungus gnats (as a soil drench), this makes me want to seek alternate routes. Sorry about your bad luck, man... having one plant can be so much easier, and yet.... good luck.

Should have read all the way through before posting, I see this has been discussed... sorry about that.
FK

 

[FinestKind]

Maybe you should have done your homework and used some logic that the spider mites aren't really a threat in the soil?


Maybe after you lose your entire investment, you can go ask 'em for a $10/hr job so you can afford to start over again.


Does it have anything to do with the fact that you suck?

Dude, chill the fuck out... man, what's your problem? There's always got to be one douche bag in the bunch, and I think we found him.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

I was just about to say that... I don't understand why you would want to soil drench for the Borg anyway... soil drenching is either for a) going systemic, which would, I suppose, help keep an infestation from starting, or b) for things which are in the soil (thrip and fungus gnat larvae, for instance)... I had been wondering about using it for my fungus gnats (as a soil drench), this makes me want to seek alternate routes. Sorry about your bad luck, man... having one plant can be so much easier, and yet.... good luck.

FK

FinestKind

Rather than using the neem seed extracts like Azatrol, et al. you can get the active ingredient Azadirachtin into your soil safely and without damaging your plants. You have 2 options and both include the use of neem seed meal (5-1-2) which is the residue from the oil pressing process.

If you add 1/2 cup to each 5 gallons you'll have a solid soil amendment which will also provide your garden with systemic process to inhibit the issue with PM and other issues.

The other way is to take 1/2 cup of neem seed meal in 1 gallon of clean water and let it brew for 24 hours. Dilute it with another gallon of water and apply as a soil soak. It will knock out gnats in quick order.

Azatrol, et al. are 'okay' but I think that using neem seed oil (cold-processed) along with liquid silicon which acts both as a surfactant as well as an emulsifier for the thick neem seed oil will both save you money and you'll end up with better results, IMHO.

HTH

CC

 

[ixnay007]

Neem is an oil, and I'd imagine that if it were meant as a spray, it's going to have surfactants in it, which if put into the soil, are going to make a big mess in the root zone.

You've pretty much drowned your plant roots with soap (which works pretty well against most insects) by cutting them off from their air supply.

That's my opinion.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Neem is an oil, and I'd imagine that if it were meant as a spray, it's going to have surfactants in it, which if put into the soil, are going to make a big mess in the root zone.

You've pretty much drowned your plant roots with soap (which works pretty well against most insects) by cutting them off from their air supply.

That's my opinion.

ixnay007

My bad - the suggestion for using neem seed OIL along with silicon was as a foliar application. I definitely would NOT recommend apply any oil to the soil because it will make a big mess as you pointed out.

Sorry about my post being unclear on applying the neem oil mixture.

CC

 

[RNDZL]

ive saved many root diseased plants by using a humidity chamber and heavy foliar

i use sm-90 and water

mind blowing how big a plant can survive via foliar respiration while its roots repair

bacillus subtilis in your flush after drought or rot will help revive the root zone within days if you can keep the plant happy via foliar and high humidity

 

[ixnay007]

ixnay007

My bad - the suggestion for using neem seed OIL along with silicon was as a foliar application. I definitely would NOT recommend apply any oil to the soil because it will make a big mess as you pointed out.

Sorry about my post being unclear on applying the neem oil mixture.

CC

Duuuude,

I wasn't talking about your suggestions (although avoiding surfactants for drenches is a good idea) but what I think this guy did to his plant to have it end up wilted so quickly.

Sorry I wasn't clear about who I was responding to.

 

[silentmajority]

i have decided to move on and forget the whole thing
i am curious to find a product for future foliar use
there are garlic based,pepper based,some with soap some without.
which is best?

 

[silentmajority]

oh by the way 10k is street slang for 100 percent

 

[Clackamas Coot]

What street would that be on exactly?

 

[j-fly]

sorry to hear the bad news. I just lost a few babies myself, and have been in mourning

 

[Phedrosbenny]

Sounds like you drowned them

what he said

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

What street would that be on exactly?

sesame street