myco outdoors

[santasapimp]

how do i apply myco? i can get it in powder or granular

im growing early flowering plants outdoors in swamp buckets. should i just get granular, add it before transplant, good till harvest? or should i get the powder and apply it at transplant? and then when?

im confused as how this stuff works

 

[IWanaGetHiSoHi]

Add before transplant IMHO. They colonize the medium. When I did soil I mixed the endo/ecto powdered stuff in just before Use (I would build my soil and let it sit for a few months).

 

[santasapimp]

Add before transplant IMHO. They colonize the medium. When I did soil I mixed the endo/ecto powdered stuff in just before Use (I would build my soil and let it sit for a few months).

so u mixed it in a couple days befre u transplanted into it? or u put it in a month or so before when u built ur soil

another side note: what light cycle do i start my plants on inside if i dont want them to stress when i take them outside? i have it on 16/8 from 6am-10at night atm

 

[Trichgnomes]

There should be quite a few threads on this, and application method would be basically the same indoors or out, especially if you are growing in containers. But I can set you on the right track.

First off, make sure that your spores do not contain anything that begins with the Genus Trichoderma. These have been theorized to inhibit the functionality of arbuscular mycorrhizal (AM) fungi. I would personally apply it to the roots via small paint brush or something of that nature as soon as you pot your cuttings/seedlings. A lot of folks also reapply or apply at every transplant (Suby comes to mind). Without direct microscopy or results that are 100% indicative of the successful colonization of roots, it is hard to say how often one should reapply (if at all) without knowing more of the environmental variables.
HTH

 

[IWanaGetHiSoHi]

santa big pimpin- Before use ... like ... just before I used the soil. Trichgnomes-Unless you've done something to kill the colony/herd I can't see why a reapplication would be necessary.

 

[santasapimp]

thx ill look on the website and make sure it doesnt have that kind

thx iwanagethisohi aswell

another side note: what light cycle do i start my plants on inside if i dont want them to stress when i take them outside? i have it on 16/8 from 6am-10at night atm

 

[jaykush]

inoculate as early as possible. when i put plants outside. i get them colonized when i am sexing in pots. i add it at the seedling stage to give the fungi time to establish well before going into soil. you can even give the plants an extra dusting of the spores when planting into the final location.

and like said, use a mycorrhizae only product. not one of those ones that have everything and anything in it. just to look cool with big words or follow the common trends to make a buck.

 

[CT Guy]

What's your source? The best products are coming from Mycorrhizal Applications. From talking with them, their Soluble Maxx is the best for cannabis. Check out their website at www.mycorrhizae.com

Most companies are just repackaging their stuff in smaller sizes and jacking up the price 300% or more after throwing in a filler or two.

Figure out which product you're getting by comparing the ingredients.

Application method will change depending if it's a micronized myco or not. Some can be applied through soil drenches now, though most need to be put directly on the roots or in the hole when you transplant.

 

[DARC MIND]

i noticed the soluble maxx contains 2 species of trichoderma,do they or do they not negatively affect AM fungi??
every Mycorrhizal product i have used has trichoderma yet i notice increase in root mass...???

 

[santasapimp]

OGM mycorrhizae blend - 20$ for a lb

A Blend of 8 Strains of Endo/Ecto Mycorrhizae.
Mycorrhizal fungi attaches to plant roots increasing nutrient uptake, root growth and reduces plant stress.

Mycorrhizal fungi are beneficial organisms that form a symbiotic relationship with plants that result in increased water and nutrient uptake, lending protection against environmental stress.

Trials have shown you can greatly decrease the quantity of fertilizer when mycorrhizae are present. It has been noted that in soils without mycorrhizae as much as 1200 lbs of phosphorous would have to be added to get the same benefits as soils with the fungus present. It can reduce nitrogen fertilization by as much as 300%.

This special granular form, mycorrhizal blend can absorb organic forms of nutrients and promote green leaf growth, fruit and flower production while increasing drought and insect resistance.

Mycorrhizae fungus have been called the orchestrators of the root zone as they create a network around fine feeder roots that absorb nutrients and minerals.

Rooters Mycorrhizae can be used with any soil or media to enhance organic fertilizers. Recommended for gardens, shrubs, trees and lawns.

Contains non-plant food ingredients:
12,510 propagules/gram Pisolithus tinctorius
317 propagules/gram Rhizopogon rubescens
317 propagules/gram Rhizopogon fulvigleba
317 propagules/gram Rhizopogon villosulus
317 propagules/gram Rhizopogon subcarelescenz
246 propagules/gram Glomus intraradices
246 propagules/gram Glomus aggregatum
246 propagules/gram Glomus mosseae

myco maxx 30$ for soluble 40$ for granular (8 oz)

Myco Maximum granular is an organic biological innoculant that contains 8 species of growth-enhancing mycorrhizal fungi, 12 strains of beneficial bacteria, 2 Trichoderma species, plus other proprietary ingredients (humic acid, carbohydrates, amino acids).
Humboldt Nutrients' Myco Maximum adds organic matter to the growing medium or soil in order to help break down the nutrients and micro-nutrients needed for your garden to thrive.

This combination of beneficial bacteria, mycorrhizae and Trichoderma fungi greatly increases the capability of your plants to absorb moisture and nutrients, resulting in maximum garden production during growth, flowering and fruiting stages.

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:

Mycorrhiza:
Endomycorrhiza/cc
Glomus aggregatum - 8 spores per cc
Glomus intraradices - 8 spores per cc
Glomus mosseae - 8 spores per cc
Glomus entunicatum - 8 spores per cc
Glomus monosporum - 2 spores per cc
Glomus deserticola - 2 spores per cc
Glomus clarum - 2 spores per cc
Tricoderma:

Trichoderma koningii - 187,000 spores per cc
Trichoderma harzianum - 187,000 spores per cc
Bacteria:
Bacillus subtillus - 50,000 cfu/cc
Bactillus licheniformis - 50,000 cfu/cc
Bactillus azotoformans - 50,000 cfu/cc
Bactillus megaterium - 50,000 cfu/cc
Bactillus coagulans - 50,000 cfu/cc
Bactillus pumilis - 50,000 cfu/cc
Bactillus polymyxa - 50,000 cfu/cc
Sachromyces cervisiae - 50,000 cfu/cc
Streptomyces griseus - 50,000 cfu/cc
S.treptomyces lydicus - 50,000 cfu/cc
Pseudomonas aurofaceans - 50,000 cfu/cc
Pseudomonas fluorescence - 50,000 cfu/cc

which one should i buy? i cant figure

 

[microgram]

I use mycorrhizae as soon as seeds or cuttings develope a root system. I'll mix some into the top-most soil, and then I'll 'create' a wall of mycorrhizae in the medium I'm about to transplant into (usually soil or coir). This way the roots get 'complete' contact with the bacteria as soon as they're comfortable with the transplant, plus the top layer of mycorrhizae will be 'pushed' into the original medium with every watering because some of it will get saturated with the water. Gotta love beneficial bacteria. I use granular, no need to use soluble in my opinion, it's just one more thing to botch up, and depending on your water and nutes that you're mixing it with, it could sterilize the bacteria, killing them off due to too high PH/PoH range. Assuming you make a mistake and add it before you adjust the PH of the water. etc.

UG!

 

[cosmiccowboy]

What's your source? The best products are coming from Mycorrhizal Applications. From talking with them, their Soluble Maxx is the best for cannabis. Check out their website at www.mycorrhizae.com

Most companies are just repackaging their stuff in smaller sizes and jacking up the price 300% or more after throwing in a filler or two.

Figure out which product you're getting by comparing the ingredients.

Application method will change depending if it's a micronized myco or not. Some can be applied through soil drenches now, though most need to be put directly on the roots or in the hole when you transplant.

ctguy,i didnt see anything called soluble maxx. could you be more specific?

 

[dr.penthotal]

Always liked myco. Tried a lot of types available around in my area from piranha and tarantula to only myco, only tricoderma and packet of a mix of all togerther. I like the latter.
Mix in the soil recipe, and spread a bit of it before the transplant just in the hole where the rootball goes...
Just 1 week to colonize and go...
I usually spread the surface and cultivate it with myco granules every 30 days.
Found very vigorous growth and flowering...
Nice stuff.
Don't forget to feed mycos and bacterias with some fulvic acid and sugars.... they'll love it, and yorur plants too.
Regards
Dr. Penthotal

 

[CT Guy]

ctguy,i didnt see anything called soluble maxx. could you be more specific?

It's on this page here:

http://www.mycorrhizae.com/index.php?cid=555

I've read through the thread on trichoderma and it makes sense, but these guys, Mycorrhizal Applications, have done a ton of research too. I tend to err with them because of the results they've gotten, though I suppose the jury is still out.

Maybe there's not enough to significantly inhibit colonization. I know our foods lists myco in it, but there's barely enough to make it worth mentioning in my opinion (I'd take it out if I could).

I'm sure MM has a different opinion though!

 

[cosmiccowboy]

It's on this page here:

http://www.mycorrhizae.com/index.php?cid=555

I've read through the thread on trichoderma and it makes sense, but these guys, Mycorrhizal Applications, have done a ton of research too. I tend to err with them because of the results they've gotten, though I suppose the jury is still out.

Maybe there's not enough to significantly inhibit colonization. I know our foods lists myco in it, but there's barely enough to make it worth mentioning in my opinion (I'd take it out if I could).

I'm sure MM has a different opinion though!

thanks,i found it.

 

[santasapimp]

inoculate as early as possible. when i put plants outside. i get them colonized when i am sexing in pots. i add it at the seedling stage to give the fungi time to establish well before going into soil. you can even give the plants an extra dusting of the spores when planting into the final location.

and like said, use a mycorrhizae only product. not one of those ones that have everything and anything in it. just to look cool with big words or follow the common trends to make a buck.

if i understand u correctly i shouldnt buy mycomaxx which is full of crap. i should stick with the shit that has less

 

[cosmiccowboy]

inoculate as early as possible. when i put plants outside. i get them colonized when i am sexing in pots. i add it at the seedling stage to give the fungi time to establish well before going into soil. you can even give the plants an extra dusting of the spores when planting into the final location.

and like said, use a mycorrhizae only product. not one of those ones that have everything and anything in it. just to look cool with big words or follow the common trends to make a buck.

jaykush,i ordered some of the mycogrow soluble from fungi perfecti..i think this is just for plants. do you use the mycogrow for seedlings stuff on yer seedlings,or just the regular mycogrow?..

 

[jaykush]

if i understand u correctly i shouldnt buy mycomaxx which is full of crap. i should stick with the shit that has less

i dont know whats in myco maxx but all im saying is if you want mycorrhizae fungi, buy myco fungi. there are far too many companies fallin on the "beneficial" bandwagon it seems( almost as bad as the organic bandwagon ). they add all these micro organisms with big names in hopes it looks "professional" or cool. all you need is the myco fungi everything else comes with common organic practices. even after the myco is established in your soil, and you re use that soil, you dont even need to buy that again. that being said i didnt say mycomaxx is crap. just saying if you want mycorrhizae, buy mycorrhizae.

jaykush,i ordered some of the mycogrow soluble from fungi perfecti..i think this is just for plants. do you use the mycogrow for seedlings stuff on yer seedlings,or just the regular mycogrow?..

you want to colonize your soil as early as possible. your not feeding the plant with the fungi. but once the fungi is established it feeds your plant. dont know what mycogrow for seedlings is. but the same fungi work for seedlings as it does to big giant bushes. its just better to colonize seedlings when there are young, rather than try to inoculate a big ass plant.

 

[cosmiccowboy]

the seed starter has endomycorrhizal and ectomycorrhizal fungi only...the regular stuff has endomycorrhizal fungi,ectomycorrhizal fungi,trichoderma and beneficial bacteria...hope i didnt confuse you lay people,hehehe...

 

[santasapimp]

imo cosmic, just get the endo/ecto myco u dont need any fungi/bacteria

ty jaykush