WHY DOESN'T ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS STUFF????

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Mananuskan flo:
silica is mostly to add thickness to your cell walls. It will make brances stronger and help with pest due to thicker cell walls they will have to work harder to ruin your crop or you should notice them before significant damege.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

From the University of Florida is this test on the use of silicon - here

HTH

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[monkeysee]

Is that a record here?

I'm not sure, really.

I once deleted 99% of my own posts, had 'em gone for a while, and one day suddenly they all came back up again from the dead. WTF?!

Anyways.

Want cheap potassium silicate? Here you go:

http://www.thecannacabana.com/forums/redirector.php?url=http://www.hydro-gardens.com/fertcomp.htm

Under $20 pre-ship for 1gal.

 

[candypurp]

This is off the Dyna Gro website:

(Notice the part that says silicon is bound permanently in leaf tissue within 24 hours of uptake so a continuous supply of silicon is very important. IOW if you stop using it you lose the benefits. Make sure you use silicon with every watering, no matter what brand of silicon you are using.)

DYNA-GRO'S unique Pro-TeKt® formula is an easy to use liquid concentrate that provides supplemental potassium (3.7%) and silicon (7.8%). The latest research proves that plants benefit in many important ways from supplemental soluble silicon. These benefits include greater tolerance of environmental stresses such as cold, heat, drought, salinity, mineral toxicity or deficiency, improved growth rates, accelerated root development on cuttings and improved resistance to insects and fungi. Soluble silicon promotes natural fungal defense mechanisms in plants, significantly reducing, and in many cases eliminating entirely, the need to use fungicides. When applied with a fungicide, silicon substantially improves the efficacy of the fungicide. Silicon, deposited in epidermal cell walls, enhances plants' resistance to insects. The resulting increased mechanical strength in epidermal cell walls enhances leaf presentation to light and improves stem strength. Soluble silicon enhances metabolic functions and plant growth rates by balancing nutrient uptake, distribution and transport and increasing the concentration of chlorophyll & RUBP carboxylase in leaves, resulting in improved pollen fertility, fruit and flower count.
Silicon deposition in the plant's epidermal cell layer acts as a barrier against penetration of fungal hyphae from powdery mildew, black spot, Pythium and Phytophthora, etc. Silicon is also
incorporated into cell walls improving heat, drought and cold tolerance by reducing transpiration. The added mechanical strength makes the plant less dependent upon osmotic pressure for leaf and
stem turgidity. Silicon, selectively transported to the site of fungal infection, plays an active metabolic role in combating fungal growth by the production of polyphenolic compounds, part of a
plant's natural defenses against fungi and insects. Silicon is rapidly bound in leaf tissue and deposited in a non-translocatable form within 24 hours of uptake. Therefore a continuous source of
soluble silicon is very important. This can be from constant feeding in hydroponics or from retention in the growing medium.
In some plants, foliar applications appear to lead to even lower rates of disease. Silicon, taken up by the plant via the roots, is moved to old leaves first, whereas fungal infections tend to attack the new growth first. Foliar application to the new growth Pro-TeKts the tender new leaves. Foliar sprays of soluble silicon have been shown to be effective for discouraging aphids and other sucking insects on many plants because epidermal cell walls containing silicon deposits act as a mechanical barrier to insects. In addition to the silicate deposits in the leaves, the intracellular content of silicic acid also acts as an effective sap sucking inhibitor for many insects.

Discover the Benefits of Silicon Nutrition in Your Plants!
Silicon Increases Resistance to Pathogens


Dendrobium nobile, Aeschmea fasciata, Spathiphyllum and Anthurium scherzerianum provided 49 ppm soluble silicon increased from 18% to 80% over the dry weight of control plants grown without supplemental silicon. 32 of the 39 species evaluated in this test took up additional silicon when it was provided. Those plants are considered Si-responsive and had greater leaf thickness as well as greater dry weight. Silicon Increases Metabolic Rates and Stress Resistance

Soil and Soilless Mixes: Regularly apply Pro-TeKt® at a rate of 1:1500 to 1:3000 (1/2 tsp to 1/4 tsp/gal)
depending upon the plants' requirements.
Hydroponics: Continuously feed Pro-TeKt® at a rate of 1:750 (1 tsp/gal).

Research has shown that silicon benefits plants in the following ways: improved resistance to wilt, resistance to water stress (heat and drought), enhanced leaf presentation resulting in improved
light interception, enhanced reproductive growth, and increased tolerance of zinc deficiencies, cold temperatures, excessive phosphorus, manganese, sodium and aluminum concentrations. Silicon, deposited in the cell walls, forms a protective layer reducing transpiration through the outer cells. Silicon deposits in the cell walls of xylem vessels prevent compression of the vessels under conditions of high transpiration caused by drought or heat stress. Temperatures much above 90˚ F cause plants to virtually cease their metabolic functions because water is lost through transpiration faster than it can be replaced via the plant's root system. This results in harmful increases in intracellular
mineral concentrations that inhibit metabolic functions. Increased levels of silicon in cell walls reduce transpiration loss caused by higher temperatures and low humidity conditions thus allowing continued metabolic functions at higher temperatures. Cuttings and plugs are more tolerant of the stresses encountered during root formation and potting up as a result of decreased transpiration. Studies at the Universities of Florida and Minnesota have shown significantly increased success rates in propagation of cuttings when silicon is applied foliarly through a misting system, or as a drench or soak prior to sticking. The surfactant characteristics of Pro-TeKt® result in better uptake of water and the minerals dissolved in it for better nutrition and growth. Silicon has also been shown to result in higher concentrations of chlorophyll per unit area of leaf tissue. This means that a plant is able to tolerate both lower and higher light levels by using more of the available light. Moreover, supplemental levels of soluble silicon have been shown to produce higher concentrations of the enzyme RUBP carboxylase in leaf tissue. This enzyme regulates the metabolism of carbon dioxide and enables the plant to make more efficient use of available levels of CO2. Silicon deficiencies often are indicated by malformation of young leaves and a failure of pollination and fruit formation in many cases. Plants with silicon added to the nutrient formula also show delayed leaf and flower senescence. The shelf life of cut flowers, specialty pot crops and plugs is also extended. Leaves are thicker and darker green compared to those grown without soluble silicon.

 

[Ted Shred]

Just bought some dyna-grow bloom. officialy done with tiger bloom shwag!

 

[mexicangreen420]

i love listening in, i'm gonna keep an eye open for any orchid farmers, i bet they love to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight.

 

[candypurp]

Just bought some dyna-grow bloom. officialy done with tiger bloom shwag!

I had a friend that was using Tiger Shwag and I turned him onto Bloom from dyna-gro and he never looked back. Im sure you will be really impressed as well. I definitely recommend Pro-TeKt and Mag-Pro also. If you go from Tiger Shit to Dyna's Bloom, Pro-TeKt and Mag-Pro you will see a night and day difference. Looking forward to seeing some pics or hearing an update.

 

[wdcf]

I use dyna-gro bloom, I used to use mag-pro to buuuuuuut there is just to much N when useing both of those ferts during flower imho

 

[one Q]

when looking at the lable, there doenst seem to be a lot of Mg in this fert. do you guys have issues with low mg?

 

[candypurp]

I use dyna-gro bloom, I used to use mag-pro to buuuuuuut there is just to much N when useing both of those ferts during flower imho

Dude, Bloom is 3-12-6 and Mag-Pro is 2-15-4.

Im glad to hear you are using Bloom because it shows you have a brain but I would have to disagree about the nitrogen. When you add the two together you are ending up with an actual decrease in over all Nitrogen concentrations. Yes there are more ppm of N in the system but there is also way more ppm of P and and K and Mg and S so the plant will pretty much continue absorbing nitrogen at the same rate. The ratio is just as important as the concentration.

Also, the N content of Dyna's Bloom and Mag-pro is low compared to other products. FloraNova for example is 4-8-7. Pure blend pro is 2.5-2-5. (thats outrageously high in nitrogen. Thats the equivalent of 5-4-10.... Higher N than P.... wow, and they wonder why it sucks)



Long story short, I think you should reconsider you analysis on Mag-pro. You are decreasing your overall N ratio and increasing the P, S, and Mg ratios. That is the objective.

 

[candypurp]

when looking at the lable, there doenst seem to be a lot of Mg in this fert. do you guys have issues with low mg?

Never had a problem. I had a buddy that was growing a strain that had a really high Mg demand and he was using RO water and he started to see just slight indications of deficiencies so he just dropped a little Mag-Pro in and everything was perfect.

Why are the levels lower? I believe it is because of the fact that it contains all 16 elements so higher levels of Mg aren't necessary. Plants will often absorb more of one element to make up for the lack of another. I believe that other nutes may force the plant to absorb more Mg to make up for its lack of other nutrients. I don't know this for a fact but it is based on some research I did on other elements that I believe may also be true in this case for Mg. I could be wrong though. In any case I don't have Mg problems and I have only known that one person who had a very minor problem because of his particular situation and he was able to remedy the problem very easily.


MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THOSE CONCERNED ABOUT MAGNESIUM:



Use their foliage pro formula with a LITTLE mag pro for veg. Foliage pro is 9-3-6 so if you add some mag-pro to get the extra Mg you can get the magnesium levels up without bringing the P levels up too much.

 

[B. Friendly]

Ingredients: Rare Earth TM is a mixture of 50% pyrophylitic silicate clay and 18% humic acids derived from leonardite.
$26 for 4lbs on amazon
and it's organic
thinkin this stuff takes the cake over barricide and pro tekt
MSDS:
http://www.genhydro.com/genhydro_US/msds/RareEarth.pdf

 

[overmyhead]

wow, did this thread go off subject!

personally, i like to have my ph drift for a start of 5.6-5.8 and let it go to 6.4 max in coco, makes sure i hit every nutrient at there peak level. i know the plants love it..........

is there a max change that you would have per up or down? I was under the impression that 6.1 is 10x more alkaline than 6.0 - how much of a change will screw with the plants? I'm getting ready to start a couple new cuts and am tempted to get rid of this pure blend pro that was given to me and buy the dynagrow jsut to support the non bs'ers!

 

[FreezerBoy]

I'm no pHologist but I believe 5 would be 10X more acidic than 6 while 4 would be 100X more acidic than 6.

http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/184ph.html

I shoot for a drift of 0.4. From 6.0-5.6 for hydro.

 

[overmyhead]

I picked up some nutrients made by dyna gro and this stuff is kickin ass. Its a one part system, one for veg, one for bloom. They have all 16 essential minerals and im doin better with this one part system than 5 years of messing around with GH, botanicare and house and garden. I called dyna gro to ask about their feeding schedule and I talked to a guy that fuckin blew my mind with the shit he was telling me about how dyna gro is 2 or 3 times more concentrated than other nute lines and how other companies only have like 10 or 12 of the 16 essential nutrients and they won't even list the stuff on the bottle because they don't wan't people to find out. And why doesn't anyone know about how important silicon is? The dude was tellin me about all these crazy benefits silicon has and how everyone just overlooks it for some reason. Anyway the silicon product they make is called protekt and I picked some up and within two days I saw a difference in stem strength. Im seriously blown away with this nutrient line and im just curious if anyone else on here has had similar results and why nobody knows about this stuff.



bongs for breakfast and blunts for dessert

I have some "liquid sand" from green air, it's 7.75% silicate and pretty cheap from what I remember. But anyway, it says on the bottle it prolongs flowering and delays death in plants, obviously you guys are using it with great success but have you noticed a shorter bloom in plants that it's not used with? also, if you're not using it every time (hand watering) is it not worth using or will it build up in the soil and take it as needed.

 

[overmyhead]

I'm no pHologist but I believe 5 would be 10X more acidic than 6 while 4 would be 100X more acidic than 6.

http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/184ph.html

I shoot for a drift of 0.4. From 6.0-5.6 for hydro.

Ah, that makes more sense, must have mis heard! Shouldn've checked for myself.

 

[gonzo`]

I've been told to add your silicon products to the rez FIRST or else you create lockout... Been using Barricade for years, its wonderful stuff!

 

[overmyhead]

Thanks, anyone notice a longer flowering period with silica supplements than without?

 

[toohighmf]

well, it's because your plants are healthier and not burned up! The longer you can let a strain go, the healthier that plant is. I love silica.

 

[humble1]

Thanks, anyone notice a longer flowering period with silica supplements than without?

nope.