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Blue
On the money clear barbed funk with your idea of a hack......
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How many plants must you select from to not be a "hack"
- Thread starter Thundurkel
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I dunno, head. From my experiences, those who have the correct attitude seem to also seek the best methodology. Whether they find it or not depends greatly on their attitude.
I also find those that feel their way is the best and only way, to also be hacks.
Without the correct attitude, and a passion for what we are doing in anything, we can only hope to achieve mediocrity.
BTW, I suggest you leave the trolling personal shit in the other threads. I do not find you a hack because of your being of a particular political persuasion, but rather because I find you to be a very pompous and presumptive individual with poor people skills, that's all.
I also find those that feel their way is the best and only way, to also be hacks.
Without the correct attitude, and a passion for what we are doing in anything, we can only hope to achieve mediocrity.
BTW, I suggest you leave the trolling personal shit in the other threads. I do not find you a hack because of your being of a particular political persuasion, but rather because I find you to be a very pompous and presumptive individual with poor people skills, that's all.
But who is to decide what a correct attitude is?
You might find my attitude toward breeding to be 100% in line with yours, but dislike my attitude toward politics strongly enough to call me a hack.
I agree with blue... CBF got it right.
You might find my attitude toward breeding to be 100% in line with yours, but dislike my attitude toward politics strongly enough to call me a hack.
I agree with blue... CBF got it right.
I suppose that task lies with each of us, and I guess correct is in the eye of the beholder.
I would simply do it like this
If you only want to run 20
Find the keepers of that batch
Then run another 20
Rinse And Repeat
As you keep culling anything besides the best of the best you will end up being able to run hundreds of plants while still not needing thousands per run.
If you only want to run 20
Find the keepers of that batch
Then run another 20
Rinse And Repeat
As you keep culling anything besides the best of the best you will end up being able to run hundreds of plants while still not needing thousands per run.
There's several definitions to anything ,,, but we always viewed "hacking plant genetics" as:
- inbreeding to F2's then claiming another breeders genetics as your own
- crossbreeding established genetics and marketing them under another genetic name
- misinforming growers about genetics
- not paying any acknowledgement or credit to the parental breeders
Otherwise the grower (or breeder) that smacks an indica against a sativa ,, isn't guilty of anything other than expanding their botanical horizons and knowledge surrounding plants .. and perhaps sharing seeds with other growers / breeders
Anyone that buys a packet of seeds then owns the genetics in the seed pack... that's why they were for sale
Hope this helps
- inbreeding to F2's then claiming another breeders genetics as your own
- crossbreeding established genetics and marketing them under another genetic name
- misinforming growers about genetics
- not paying any acknowledgement or credit to the parental breeders
Otherwise the grower (or breeder) that smacks an indica against a sativa ,, isn't guilty of anything other than expanding their botanical horizons and knowledge surrounding plants .. and perhaps sharing seeds with other growers / breeders
Anyone that buys a packet of seeds then owns the genetics in the seed pack... that's why they were for sale
Hope this helps
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Anyone that buys a packet of seeds then owns the genetics in the seed pack... that's why they were for sale
Hope this helps
That was how I always felt about it kinda, I mean if I get a pack of seeds and take the time to grow them out find keepers and cross them to something I like and find a male in that batch (if strains are stable ect) and start hitting clone only's and my favorite strains would I not own the crosses created? I mean shit I put the work into it, I see what you mean about stealing somebody's shit though like if I was to try n stabilize the Chem line and call it mine which I would NEVER do! However lately I've noticed that some popular breeders seem to just take that one stud they got and hit all the clones in the collection and put out the seeds from that! I noticed this with Outlaw Gentetics and Cali Connection they both use one male and it seems tons of folks love the gear from them..
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tokinafaty420
I would feel more confident choosing parents from a larger selection than 20. If I had the space to run a marijuana seed nursery I would be growing out hundreds if not thousands of plants to make my selection.
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tokinafaty420
Lots of breeders mix and match only a few parents together. So sometimes one male may end up making it's way into a few of their crosses. It is no different with the European scene either. I can't tell you how many times I read in seed descriptions that a certain skunk male was used in so-and-so hybrid.
There are lways those that will bitch at anyone for using anything other than some random ass plant found in the hills of "some crazy ass name filled in here"...
If you end up making something great FROM other breeders stuff, it is pretty simple to make things cool. Credit them for the mom/dad and go on with your day. If people want to buy YOUR cross versus the mom/dad then odds are the breeder you got your beans from might want to work on improving their special cuts.
I don't think there is a specific outline to become a breeder other than pollen chucking to get started and getting the hang of your specific strains and what they bring into the crosses.
If a breeder doesn't want people selling f2's or crosses of their strain then they should make them fem/auto/sterile/something or quit the game. If their product surpasses all knockoffs then the product will speak for itself BUT if so called knockoffs end up better I wouldn't fault the "knockoff pollen chucker" in the least.
Is the 'feminized breeder' working from clone stock a "hack" ? (spray n make em pay style)
Technically,, yes is the answer... if the clone stock isn't their own work to begin with. However if they "buy" the clone in on that basis,, then "no" is the answer,, we guess.
The sticky area in between is the debate,,, when the 'feminized breeder' ,, 'buys' a packet of seeds,, from another breeder,, then selects a parent mother , clones it out,, reverses it,, and sells it as their own feminized variety... often using the same name (?)
In which case there's only a small number of plants involved.
... interesting discussion this one
,, it's been had before but still interesting
Technically,, yes is the answer... if the clone stock isn't their own work to begin with. However if they "buy" the clone in on that basis,, then "no" is the answer,, we guess.
The sticky area in between is the debate,,, when the 'feminized breeder' ,, 'buys' a packet of seeds,, from another breeder,, then selects a parent mother , clones it out,, reverses it,, and sells it as their own feminized variety... often using the same name (?)
In which case there's only a small number of plants involved.
... interesting discussion this one
,, it's been had before but still interesting
Yes but if it legally isn't viable to run thousands of seeds at once, you can still be able to accomplish that same amount "over time". Run 20, select the keepers
Run another 20, compare those with the keepers from the first 20 and cull the rest and only keep the elite cuts.
Now if you have the time,space and money to run thousands of plants at one time I give you mad respect. I have hard enough time keeping tabs on 30 flowering girls.
Exactly and hell don't even get started on the damn trim job for 30 girls. I honestly don't see myself ever going LARGE SCALE as far as plant count simply due to my time being valuable to me and if I feel like I am slaving away like at a j.o.b. then my hobby enjoyment might go away.
keepin the hobby a hobby and my med cabinet full.
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arcticsun
I just want to say something.. not really interested in getting into a discussion regarding who is a hack.. but
Genetic diversity is created by one thing alone and thats acclimatization.
I personally disagree with the theories that says man alone is responsible for selectively breeding what we today know as the high THC plants.
I think that if the supply of fresh genetics to western breeders were cut, then we would see a rapid degeneration of western cannabis.
Just my 2c
Genetic diversity is created by one thing alone and thats acclimatization.
I personally disagree with the theories that says man alone is responsible for selectively breeding what we today know as the high THC plants.
I think that if the supply of fresh genetics to western breeders were cut, then we would see a rapid degeneration of western cannabis.
Just my 2c
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arcticsun
NO? K.. if you say so!
genetic diversity is created by accumulation of beneficial mutations over long periods of time. Acclimatization only enters into the equation in that different mutations might be more/less survivable in one clime vs. another. And the more time a line spends isolated to a climate, the further it diverges from the common ancestor.
Selection reduces diversity, but not all diversity is desirable.
Agricultural hemp is an example of the diversity present in the cannabis genome, but I can'y think of many indoor growers who value fiber and seed oil over potency and quality of high, or hemp farmers who value flower production over fiber or seed oil production. Selection refines the diversity, be it natural selection culling weaknesses or human selection for specific desired characteristics.
Anyone who doubts the huge effect mankind's selection has on the evolution of cultivated species need only to look at corn vs. teosinte.
Selection reduces diversity, but not all diversity is desirable.
Agricultural hemp is an example of the diversity present in the cannabis genome, but I can'y think of many indoor growers who value fiber and seed oil over potency and quality of high, or hemp farmers who value flower production over fiber or seed oil production. Selection refines the diversity, be it natural selection culling weaknesses or human selection for specific desired characteristics.
Anyone who doubts the huge effect mankind's selection has on the evolution of cultivated species need only to look at corn vs. teosinte.
what really matters is the quality of any new crosses or strains that you make and, if you want to be commercial, whether other people are prepared to spend their money on them.
unfortunately some people are very quick to call seed companies hacks or thieves without really knowing what they are talking about.
if you are making seeds for release, its surely better to use a proven male again than a new but untested one.
VG.
unfortunately some people are very quick to call seed companies hacks or thieves without really knowing what they are talking about.
if you are making seeds for release, its surely better to use a proven male again than a new but untested one.
VG.
