Outdoors plants...soft or hard rock phosphate?

[guest2012y]

Which would you use?
I have used the hard rock phosphate in my veggie garden because it takes longer to break down.

The soft rock phosphate being more readily available,I have used indoors in the past.

So.....outdoors if the hard rock phosphate takes longer to break down,would a single growing season be enough for it by the time she puts on flowers in order for it to be utilized?

 

[mad librettist]

well I would use neither at this point. Outdoor plants should have plenty of time do develop fungal relations.

But definitely stay away from apatite (hard).

so soft then.

 

[guest2012y]

It's not my first choice for a phosphate source,but it gets high mileage for the $$

 

[mad librettist]

not compared to fungi!

 

[guest2012y]

Are you the fun-guy that's gonna' come over and make sure the fungi gets going well?
I wish I could say that I can guarantee a stoked fungal community,but I can't.
That's why I'm planning on the Rock Phosphate. Why are you suggesting I stay away from the hard?.....Bad manufacturing or environmental practices?

 

[mad librettist]

well just google apatite. I'm not sure I buy all the claims, but there is a health concern.

You are growing cannabis, so you will succeed with soft rock (or with just about any method), it just won't be as cool in my book

My outdoor method used to be simple: just plant a SHITLOAD of bagseed, and see what survives. Something always survives.


With perennials, inhibiting the pertinent fungi with rock phosphate would doom your plant to perpetual life support and increased work to combat the additional pests and other problems.

 

[guest2012y]

Well from what I've read........it doesn't sound very happy. May just go the Bat guano,or chicken poop route.

 

[mad librettist]

Well from what I've read........it doesn't sound very happy. May just go the Bat guano,or chicken poop route.

Man, I would just throw some biotone in there and forget about it.

 

[corky1968]

I like Bone Meal, it's Organic

I like Bone Meal, it's Organic

Which would you use?
I have used the hard rock phosphate in my veggie garden because it takes longer to break down.

The soft rock phosphate being more readily available,I have used indoors in the past.

So.....outdoors if the hard rock phosphate takes longer to break down,would a single growing season be enough for it by the time she puts on flowers in order for it to be utilized?

Last year, I used mainly Bone Meal to fertilize my Lebanese
landrace plants. It supplied all the phosphate they needed.
The Bone Meal was in pellet form which was nice for application.
I also, ground some up for faster absorption.

My guess is that soft rock phosphate is probably
more soluble and faster acting. Like anything in nutrient
form it's better to use a little less. This way you lessen
chances of burning your plants.

Myself, I would rather have plants that grow a little slower
than growing nice plants only to burn them a latter date
with excessive nutrients.

Since my plants were grown in soil that I brought to the site last year.
I figured that there wasn't much in terms of good bacteria,fungi, etc.
So to help out, I purchased Advanced Nutrients
Voodoo Juice, Tarantula, Piranha
I 'm sure it helped out a lot. If things are well those little
buggers are probably doing fine in the soil as we speak.

Look at soil preparation as a long term thing. Even if all your
nutrients don't get used up this year, they should be there
next year. Unless, there's excessive water to leach them away.
The best soils are those that have been built up over time.
Just think of fine grapes. Vineyards are not made overnight.
Vinegar can be made overnight. Ice Wine, my favorite takes
much more time.

Hope this helps.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Capt.Cheeze.1

Both Concentrates and Naomi's carry organic fish bone meal (5-16-0). Pricing at Concentrates is $26.00 for 50 lbs.

Also if you're coming to Portland anytime soon - I have about 15 lbs. of Archipelago Bat Guano 0-7-0 that I paid $27.00 for 10 kgs. (22.2 lbs) and I'll sell you what I have left for my original price - in spite of the fact that I've been giving it cover and protection for a couple of years.

Let me know because I'm never going to use it.

CC

 

[treefrog]

Capt.Cheeze.1

Both Concentrates and Naomi's carry organic fish bone meal (5-16-0). Pricing at Concentrates is $26.00 for 50 lbs.

Also if you're coming to Portland anytime soon - I have about 15 lbs. of Archipelago Bat Guano 0-7-0 that I paid $27.00 for 10 kgs. (22.2 lbs) and I'll sell you what I have left for my original price - in spite of the fact that I've been giving it cover and protection for a couple of years.

Let me know because I'm never going to use it.

CC

Hey CC ~ Is it because you prefer the fish/bone, or do you have something against the guano?

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Hey CC ~ Is it because you prefer the fish/bone, or do you have something against the guano?

treefrog

Given the time that it takes for bat guano to completely breakdown (about 8 months according to the importer of ABG) I find that the fish bone meal is a better choice for container grown plants and especially when I consider the short time even if you factor in both the veg as well as the flower cycles.

Outdoors the bat guano is obviously a good choice. The fish bone meal would be another solid option.

No agenda against bat guano or anything like that!

CC

 

[guest2012y]

Capt.Cheeze.1

Both Concentrates and Naomi's carry organic fish bone meal (5-16-0). Pricing at Concentrates is $26.00 for 50 lbs.

Also if you're coming to Portland anytime soon - I have about 15 lbs. of Archipelago Bat Guano 0-7-0 that I paid $27.00 for 10 kgs. (22.2 lbs) and I'll sell you what I have left for my original price - in spite of the fact that I've been giving it cover and protection for a couple of years.

Let me know because I'm never going to use it.

CC

I'm heading to Naomi's in the morning as a matter of fact. I like the fish bone meal idea a lot. We could cruise over there together and then head to where we planned?

 

[Clackamas Coot]

I'm heading to Naomi's in the morning as a matter of fact. I like the fish bone meal idea a lot. We could cruise over there together and then head to where we planned?

Sure - let me know if you want this bat guano. I'm tired of tripping over the container. It's got a lid and handle and everything!

It's yours for the asking - you can buy me some dim sum in exchange!

CC

 

[guest2012y]

Last year, I used mainly Bone Meal to fertilize my Lebanese
landrace plants. It supplied all the phosphate they needed.
The Bone Meal was in pellet form which was nice for application.
I also, ground some up for faster absorption.

My guess is that soft rock phosphate is probably
more soluble and faster acting. Like anything in nutrient
form it's better to use a little less. This way you lessen
chances of burning your plants.

Myself, I would rather have plants that grow a little slower
than growing nice plants only to burn them a latter date
with excessive nutrients.

Since my plants were grown in soil that I brought to the site last year.
I figured that there wasn't much in terms of good bacteria,fungi, etc.
So to help out, I purchased Advanced Nutrients
Voodoo Juice, Tarantula, Piranha
I 'm sure it helped out a lot. If things are well those little
buggers are probably doing fine in the soil as we speak.

Look at soil preparation as a long term thing. Even if all your
nutrients don't get used up this year, they should be there
next year. Unless, there's excessive water to leach them away.
The best soils are those that have been built up over time.
Just think of fine grapes. Vineyards are not made overnight.
Vinegar can be made overnight. Ice Wine, my favorite takes
much more time.

Hope this helps.

My only trip on the bone meal (from land beasts) is the funk that may be present in it. Trace amounts of WTF. Also it tends to taste wierd to ME.....then the whole Karma trip(slaughtered beasts for mass consumption,etc.) I'm not a vegetarian,I have hunted beasts,and I don't know what to believe as far as the whole Karma trip is concerned. It's all energy in/energy out...........Someone said that here recently..(Jaykush?) I like to keep things on the "happy" side of it just for personal reasons....it doesn't always work out but I try.
I'm liking the fish bone meal idea just because it seems cleaner.

 

[mad librettist]

slaughtered beasts for mass consumption,etc.

you mean fish?

at least on land we tend to take beasts lower on the food chain. Killing too many cattle won't fuck anything up.

If I am pulling anything from the sea besides certain algae, I should not reproach meat eaters.

 

[guest2012y]

you mean fish?

at least on land we tend to take beasts lower on the food chain. Killing too many cattle won't fuck anything up.

It's Fu*king gross man! Fish guts are personally more manageable.
Just hang out in a slaughterhouse for an hour or two (don't ask how I know)
Fish fail to qualify as beasts. As far as mass consumption...okay they get it too. Really though,fish is nicer to work with. I'm a PNW guy,ya' gotta' understand I'm used to fish.

 

[mad librettist]

everyone should be required to hang out in a slaughterhouse for a day. Or at least go to the right chinese markets and hang out by meat and seafood for a while.

I have seen it all, and I still love steak tartare.

 

[NUG-JUG]

everyone should be required to hang out in a slaughterhouse for a day.

Yea either that or watch Food INC..

Capt.Cheeze- You've got me seriously re-considering my "slaughtered animals for mass consumption" ferts. I've only added Bone\Blood twice to my small, outdoor veggie garden...Once when i buried my cat Jack, and then again when my cat Twinkle passed..rip

 

[corky1968]

Say What You Want

Say What You Want

Please don't anybody get offended by these words.
They're not ment to.

All I know is that I was raised in a Hunting and Fishing family.
I've seen more dead animals of different kinds than most of
you ever will. There's even a few that I can identify by the
smell of their blood alone. Not a pretty picture I know.

Unless, you plan on living on Tofu burgers or
rabbit food all your life just know that people
do eat fish,meat,fowl, etc.

As long as the bones are steamed or sterilized
it's all good. At least it's better using bone meal than
using fertilizers and fertilizers derived from the oil.