so basically young teens who smoke are psycho's

[cured2perfect]

http://www.aolnews.com/science/arti...oking-to-increased-risk-of-psychosis/19375292
2nd report about this in what 3 days the medias comin on pretty strong with this bullshit lol

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

Why is it bullshit? Do you have evidence that these studies are flawed? There have been several studies that indicate this, as well as some that dispute it. They've been around for the past few years at least...

Either way, I don't condone children using psychoactive substances. Once your body and mind have reached maturity, go for it.

Is the sensationalist headline necessary?

 

[eexpee]

"Of the 3,801 participants, 65 were diagnosed with psychosis and 223 suffered from some degree of hallucinations."

So, 1.7% suffered psychosis, and 6.1% suffered SOME DEGREE of hallucinations. Seems fairly normal to me. Some degree of hallucinations? What, something moving in the corner of their eye? Are they referring to this happening when they are high or sober? Because it would be a very poor argument to suggest this if they only experienced this while high...

My theory on this, especially because it's coming from Australia (...' University of Queensland') is that the government recognises that attitudes among the public towards marijuana are loosening after everyone is realising how benign it really is, so, in fear that people will know the truth, they fill people's minds with fearful propaganda to rectify their position.



Edit: Actually, continue reading down after those number are quoted. It goes on to offer an alternative interpretation by someone from NORML.

"It's a seemingly complex relationship, and one that Paul Armentano, a policy analyst with the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), just doesn't buy. While marijuana use has soared in the last few decades, rates of schizophrenia have held steady. "Where's the parallel increase?" he asks.

And people with mental health problems are inclined to ingest "all kinds" of intoxicating substances, of which marijuana is only one, Armentano notes. The legalization advocate admits that marijuana might negatively affect "a very small percentage" of those prone to mental health problems, but he doesn't see reason for outcry.

"We don't outlaw peanuts because a small percentage of people have allergic reactions," he told AOL News. "We educate the community, we regulate where and when peanuts can be exchanged. That seems like it ought to apply to marijuana, too.""

 

[Tripp35]

Check it out, actually... You ready for this?

"Stultz had become convinced that his life was playing out on a reality television show, complete with hidden cameras and actors playing his family members, friends and doctors."

I have very similar thoughts, that started about a year after I started smoking weed. Now I have been told that it's from examining too far into things, making connections that shouldn't be made.
I'd like to think that this is all bullshit, and my mind is playing tricks on me, but honestly if thats true, then why do I keep thinking of it and why do the things that happen make me think of it?

My jaw actually dropped a bit when I read what I quoted up there.

' "I would go see the psychiatrist and be thinking the entire time about what I could do to make good TV," he recalls.'
Sounds like he's been thinking this way for quite awhile and has become comfortable with the thought, no?
I'm almost there.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

How about the paragraphs above and below that one?

When researchers contacted the subjects at the age of 21, those who'd been using pot for at least six years were four times more likely to rank in the top quartile of the PDI, a 21-point index that measures symptoms of delusion. They were also twice as likely to exhibit symptoms of psychosis.

Of the 3,801 participants, 65 were diagnosed with psychosis and 223 suffered from some degree of hallucinations. The longer the teens had been smoking pot, the more likely the adverse outcomes.

Of those who smoked pot for more than six years, 3 to 4 percent went on to develop a psychotic disorder before the age of 21. By comparison, lead study author John McGrath estimates that around 1 percent of people worldwide suffer from psychotic ailments.

There's a pretty good discussion on the subject here... http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/b7s5y/i_know_there_are_a_lot_of_promarijuana_people_on/

 

[Tripp35]

Well, thing is the media is all bullshit, only truth is the weather and only because they can't lie about that.

So I usually completely ignore anything reporters have to say, and only pay attention to things the interviewed have said.


"lilbabyjesus" just blew my fucking mind... I instantly got an imagine of like star trek's spock or just an advanced race in general, with information like that being at preschool level. And just now, a thought of how many people have to die and suffer and all related, for that information to be so well known...

I'll vouch for this. Having briefly worked in a refractory psychosis ward for a few months, it was curious to see how many patients would smoke and how often they would smoke. My assumption was always that psychosis is accompanied by reduced sub-basal levels of cortical acetylcholine. A cigarette is essentially acetylcholine in an extremely fast acting, self-titrating dose. you'll often find that patients who present with alzheimer's will also suddenly take up smoking after years/even sometimes a lifetime of never having touched a cigarette.
I've always found it fascinating to consider how much of behaviour - how much of our will - is in fact motivated by intrinsic factors that fall well below conscious perception. Clinical patients provide a fascinating exploration of these motivations if you look closely, or at times far away, enough.
As per marijuana, it has long been known to be a catalyst for psychosis (in particular schizophrenia); however, certainly insufficient to cause it. If you have a genetic susceptibility to the disorder, it would be advisable to abstain; however, let's consider the question in a slightly different light:
1) Patients born into low socio-economic statuses (SES) are more likely (8:1) to succumb to schizophrenia (http://psychiatry.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2001/1205/1).
2) Adolescence of a low SES are more likely to engage in high risk behaviours and experiment with drugs (http://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/26/1/36/MXH007TB2)
3) I haven't read the study but without controlling for SES, the results are meaningless. Furthermore, without an animal model to control and corroborate extraneous factors, it seems irresponsible to assume a causative relationship between the two... but that's just my 2cents.
That said, it was likely not the researchers but instead the journalists who interpreted and sensationalized the findings.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

Anybody making complete blanket statements like that loses all credibility in my eyes.

Did you know if you buy three lottery tickets, instead of two, you TRIPLE YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING?!

 

[Bud Bug]

I don't know whats hard to understand that when you take drugs while you're young and your brain is developing those substances will have some kind of negative affect on you. Might not happen to every body, might not happen to you but will happen to some.

Yes gov studies are skewed but you also have to realize the governments of today don't work for the people they work for corporations and those who have money.

So wanna debunk it, well get enough people together, pool your money and pay for a study.

I grow weed, I might smoke it once in a while and I've done my share of being fucked up at after hours clubs but I have no delusions that chemical or natural substances will not affect me in short or long term just like the bottle of coke that I just drank.

 

[eexpee]

I think I will save that quote tripp

These studies never seem to take into account other drug use/abuse, how often and how much they smoke, and, like your quote said tripp, their socio-economic status. People also seem to turn to substances in troubled times, i'm sure the same link would be there if they tried to link alcoholism, ciggarett smoking or some other substance addiction with psychosis. Trying to link a certain bahaviour with a mental disorder is very risky business. Far to many allogations can be made that are difficult to prove.

I would also like to note that at the end of this study, in reference to this guy called 'Stultz' he actually had BIPOLAR, not psychosis. The two can be very closely linked and difficult to diagnose between the two when someone is in a bipolar episode.
"Stultz, now a graduate student in international relations, recently suffered a bipolar relapse after cutting back on his medication."

 

[cured2perfect]

first of all i was mainly referring to how blatant thiis propaganda is thats the bullshit second of all the headline is diliberat i make em like that cause people should see this n it grabs attention u dnt like it get the fuck outta here

grnmtngrwr-people who intstantly believe sum article that throws out a couple numbers with no actual proof that this study even happened or that it wasnt a complete fabrication lose all credibility in my eyes its simple bro the australian govt cant come out n say that mj kills people so them n many other countries fall back on this lame excuse lol

MEDICAL MARIJUANA does not cause psychosis wutever this kid was smoking was probly garbage so yeah mayb smoking mostly plant material with minimal amounts of psychoavtives in it would do that over a long period of time
As we all no there isnt medical maryjane in austrailia n they have a blatant smear campain against marijuana in general its highly documented in there media eexpee hit everything on the head with his statement

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

eexpee -

–noun,plural-ses  [-seez] Show IPA.
1.
a mental disorder characterized by symptoms, such as delusions or hallucinations, that indicate impaired contact with reality.
2.
any severe form of mental disorder, as schizophrenia or paranoia.

cured2perfect - How do you know I instantly believed the article? Call it medical marijuana if you want, it's still cannabis. Call them magic flowers for all I care, it's all the same thing. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at night knowing that I've lost all credibility with you...

 

[bterzz]

I've been smoking pot on a daily basis since before I was a "pre-teen", and while this may be irrelevant to the "studies", I feel that I have matured more-so then those who did not smoke pot as a youngin..

As a matter of fact, I dont even care for alcohol anymore, because I realize how nasty it is for your body in comparison to marijuana.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

I've been smoking pot on a daily basis since before I was a "pre-teen", and while this may be irrelevant to the "studies", I feel that I have matured more-so then those who did not smoke pot as a youngin..

As a matter of fact, I dont even care for alcohol anymore, because I realize how nasty it is for your body in comparison to marijuana.

I'm with you on the subject of alcohol for sure...

All of the studies that have made claims like this never said that teens getting high = crazies. The main point is that if someone is predisposed to psychosis, adding marijuana to the mix during the adolescent stage will increase the chances of the psychosis surfacing. True or not... only time will tell.

 

[Directrix]

I don't drink alcohol either, but I smoke my fair share. A lot of my friends are like this actually..

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

All my friends drink a lot... a good portion of them smoke a lot too... I'm the only one in my group of friends that doesn't go out to the bars multiple nights per week.

 

[kmk420kali]

But every study on the issue thus far has been imperfect: Despite controlling for variables like family history or childhood trauma, researchers were hard pressed to conclude that marijuana use caused psychosis, and not the other way around.

They are not expanding on this li'l part much tho--

 

[baan]

Turn the damn tube off... Stop watching mtv shows. That's what I would do if things like that happened to me.

Hard to think like a tv when you don't see shows regularly.

Personally, I think it's more of a thought problem than a physical mental illness like schizophrenia. Nobody tells you how to mentally prepare for the herb, so I can see it being common that people wouldn't understand how to handle it mentally. I'm not saying that it's like mushies or anything, but I am saying that people aren't told how to handle it's effects and maintain their head; then they might start getting strange thoughts because they have experienced something that - guess what - might alter thought process.

My two pennies worth

 

[Pythagllio]

So anyone who believes this current reefer madness bullshit is real needs to explain to me why rates of psychosis are stable to moderately down in the same time period where cannabis use has exploded. In the 1940s and 1950s cannabis was far underground and only used by a very small percentage of the population. In the 1960s it caught on, and usage rates increased by over 1000%. In the 1970s it got to where the majority of high schoolers had tried cannabis. Yet despite all this psychosis rates were stable. One does not introduce a causal factor into the population without causing what the causal factor causes.

http://blog.norml.org/2010/03/01/we...-latest-warnings-about-pot-and-schizophrenia/

 

[xxd]

This kids having psychoses already before they smoked weed, by smoking weed the psychoses get more intense.

 

[ithinkiam]

I have always thought cannabis to be a very mind-expanding, thought provoking substance when used responsibly. Maybe these kids are smoking to get wasted and then they realize that there is some deep shit they have never thought about and that gives the drug a bad rap when it is really the USER that should have conducted themselves in a more appropriate manner. I'm sorry. But...kids today.


And, don't get me wrong. I'm 20. I'm still a kid. But I also know how to use my poisons responsibly. Sigh.