Obama says legalization is "not part of my job strategy"

[MarquisBlack]

LOL @ SpasticGramps. I don't know why I even bother reading Blue Dot's posts... It's obvious no one is trying to make it seem as though drunk driving is okay, but you seem to be missing the point that drunk driving is drunk driving, hitting someone with a car and killing them is another charge entirely. The drunk driving itself is non-violent.

I do think the penalties should be stiffer for DUI, though. It's fucked that I've gotten busted for paraphernalia and got punished as if I had committed a DUI...

 

[baan]

^^agreed

we aren't talking about getting drunk and walking in the park. We aren't talking about public intoxication. We aren't even talking about driving while nude. Driving while intoxicated (not talking about the legal limit, I'm talking about drunk) is bullshit, and if its legal people will die left and right. I GUARANTEE you. People should not be allowed to operate a big machine like that when they can't operate it effectively and safely, whether or not they are drunk, blind, too old, too young, whatever. I would punch a drunk man in the face stop him from getting behind the wheel.

Have you seen people who are drunk, try to drive? They hit people all the time.

I would consider arguing about what the limit should be, and reckless driving arguments. But driving while drunk is just a dick move.

 

[ibm]

more than likely the kid was a 'plant' positioned there just to ask that specific question
cause the Govt. wanted the answer put out in a specific way. Never trust em dudes.

Most likely this.

Either way legalization would be hard. The plant would be taxed and regulated, all you growers out there would have to be signed up like people do in cali and the government would keep track of your grows, plants, quantity etc

IMO nation wide decriminalization is the way to go.

 

[danut]

Most likely this.

Either way legalization would be hard. The plant would be taxed and regulated, all you growers out there would have to be signed up like people do in cali and the government would keep track of your grows, plants, quantity etc

IMO nation wide decriminalization is the way to go.

Do you think it is good to put people in jail when they exceed a specific amount of marijuana?

ie : it's OK to have one oz. but not OK to have two. If you have two you go directly to jail.

I'm thinking that decriminalization means that people will still go to jail for a plant.

 

[danut]

I would punch a drunk man in the face stop him from getting behind the wheel.

Have you seen people who are drunk, try to drive? They hit people all the time.

I would consider arguing about what the limit should be, and reckless driving arguments. But driving while drunk is just a dick move.

Say someone had only two hours sleep last night. They are about to leave on a several hour drive tonight.

Would you punch them in the face to stop them?

 

[Koroz]

Do you think it is good to put people in jail when they exceed a specific amount of marijuana?

ie : it's OK to have one oz. but not OK to have two. If you have two you go directly to jail.

I'm thinking that decriminalization means that people will still go to jail for a plant.

No, just like it wouldn't be ok to jail someone for having too much alcohol in their home. The second that person drinks and gets in a car though, different story! Throw away the key.

What you do in the comfort of your own home, or when you aren't hurting anybody is YOUR business. When you then start putting people at risk by getting behind the wheel, regardless if tired, drunk, stoned, on pharm medication, or talking on the phone/eating food you are then not only including yourself in the equation but every other single person who is on the road around you.

That is my problem. People feel like driving should be a god given right. I don't. Driving is more dangerous then flying even when you don't add in other factors. If you can not be mature enough to handle the responsibility regardless of your age that privilege should be removed from you.

 

[baan]

Say someone had only two hours sleep last night. They are about to leave on a several hour drive tonight.

Would you punch them in the face to stop them?

If they are not capable of safely operating a vehicle, I would stop them. Even if they have a dying relative and are too hysterical to drive I would stop them. If I had to punch a person to keep them from driving like that then I would. Hell I'd probably go out of my way and drive them myself if it was that important, it's better than hearing later that the person died or something.

And heh. It's funny the way the law works: you can have one, BUT NOT TWO!!! This is why I don't rely on the law anymore. The law has a funny way of doing things, and it doesn't make sense. Gotta whatch your back all the damn time, and do a lot of thinking about "what could happen if". Sucks.

 

[Big D]

I do agree that the kid should have phrased the question better, been more specific! Because he sure does have some of you confused. Someone in this thread uses drunk driving as an example a non-violent crime and you're off on a tangent. You are missing the point of the thread, The federal gov is not going to legalize marijuana. Put your energy in lobbying at YOUR state level.

 

[KnowBudz]

It is insane to advocate "legalizing all non-violent crime". By definition, a "crime" is an offense, a breaking of an existing law. The current thrust is to decriminalize marijauna use, which entails doing away with considering possession and use a felony. Another aspect is accepting that marijuana has valid medical uses and as such needs to be re-scheduled prior to considering legal routes of supply.

Current drug policy is a disaster. Many states have already decriminalized medical use, yet the drug remains CI (meaning that it has no medical value). This discrepancy must be addressed, as must the selective application of the principles of Federalism. All of this will require a reining-in of Federal power, which the current administration has shown no inclination to do.

 

[Laugan Gaucher]

obama is an impostor ! celà vous etonnes ? is that astonish you ? oh oh oh

 

[Hazelnuts]

Most likely this.

Either way legalization would be hard. The plant would be taxed and regulated, all you growers out there would have to be signed up like people do in cali and the government would keep track of your grows, plants, quantity etc

IMO nation wide decriminalization is the way to go.

No. This would only apply to commercial growers, just like you can brew beer at home without telling the state as long as you don't do it for profit.

 

[gamehaze]

obama is just a puppet please dont expect him to make any real changes for the better

 

[Pythagllio]

Umm, so changing an 11 year old injustice and allowing implementation of I59 in the District of Columbia isn't a real change, or for the better? Somehow, I disagree.

 

[ol briarhopper]

Yeah people who gamble and have sex with prostitutes should be arrested and sent off to prison so that my tax dollars can pay for them to watch tv, lift weights and maybe get fucked with by rapists and murderers. Take them away from their families and create actual victims down the road while your at it. And, It would be super cool if a short timer rapist/murderer got to get out a little earlier to keep my buddy the gambler behind bars too. Pull your head out, it's 2010, almost 2011. You can't enforce your lame ass morality on me or any other American. Protecting our kids? Pffff.....If you want to protect them stop taking them to church and feeding them your puritanical, hypocritical man made BS and teach them about the world and the truth and let them decide for themselves if they want to screw a hooker or bet on a fight.

Somtimes I just want to say WTF ARE YOU DOING ON ICMAG to a few of the puritans on this site. So....WTF?

Hoss,the statements you have made in this post should be very embarrassing to you after you sober up...lol...ol briar

 

[ZoeFresssh666]

i'm down to keep dreaming but actions speak louder than dreams!

 

[Gazoo31]

Hoss,the statements you have made in this post should be very embarrassing to you after you sober up...lol...ol briar

Ya, he may not have phrased his comment the best way, but he's right. If someone wants to pay for sex or football, let them.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Hoss,the statements you have made in this post should be very embarrassing to you after you sober up...lol...ol briar

i thought your judgmental post to be most embarassing. hes got some fantastic points, open your mind up a bit.

Ya, he may not have phrased his comment the best way, but he's right. If someone wants to pay for sex or football, let them.

he has the freedom to sound however he wants, as for prostitution, thats just a 'word' why cant you charge for something you can GIVE FOR FREE??? none of these acts are hurting people, betting on football, like thats a crime... pffttt church/religion should be a crime then.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

*repeatedly edited to tool ol briarhopper.

That young man must have never considered being a parent or grandparent.Even the legalizing of marijuana must have its limits (not that it will ever happen).What ever we do, we must be careful of what our children see.....Prostitution?.....Gambling?....Get the fuck outta here.

YOU GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE

closed minded prick.
pulling the wool over ur kids eyes did nothing for them.
if your dimwhitts cant see there about to get scammed there gone get scammed. and they dont deserve to get FUCKED... JUST BECAUSE YOUR A FUCK.

you live in a dreamworld, not knowing the truth is more harmful then the truth itself. what do you like?
how about i tell you its not good for you and take it away?
breathing for example, i think it should be illigal for you.
air contains particulates of debrees, and in certin cities there is carcinogens, and concain in the ppb, you dont want illigal substances in you? stop breathing its bad for you!!!
thats how stupid you sound.
http://gawker.com/5255210/the-air-in-spain-is-laced-with-cocaine

 

[cork144]

isnt his job to serve the people?

 

[xfargox]

What's your guys' problem with non-violent crimes?

If it doesn't hurt anyone, how is it even a crime in the first place?

Have people given it any thought? Victimless crime is an oxymoron. Prostitution is legal in Las Vegas, do you guys think that Las Vegas is some demonic city? Harder drugs are legal in certain areas in the world (as most of us know, Amsterdam and now Prague), are they some fucked up government system?

If whatever I do doesn't affect you, why would you care? And what gives you the RIGHT to care about what I do, so long as it does not impinge upon any of your basic human rights?

I think things like DUI should be crimes because it's putting yourself in a situation where you are a potential threat to every single person that you drive near on the way home. A person's ability to drive is definitively known to be impaired when drunk. There's no arguing that. Then, take into account the physics of momentum. A 3000 lb car at 40 mph vs a 200 lb man. If even 5% of the momentum is transferred to that dude, you're immediately accelerating him to a speed of 30 mph. Of course, he'd probably die from too fast an acceleration (I don't remember the numbers, but at so many gs of force, either the heart tears or the neck breaks). So yeah, that's like walking down the street with a live bomb or something to me. I don't consider that victimless.

However, if someone wants to do H in their spare time, fine. I never will, but who am I to judge someone that does? It's his/her life. I don't have the right to have an opinion.

I think Obama really pissed all over the kid. Of course, I think that if Obama gave it any merit, he'd start to resemble Mike Gravel. It just seemed like he didn't respect the kid...kinda irked me.