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Thanks. Coming from hydro root rot a deficient plant is still considered flourishing to me right now hah.
Also, I like you quote "there are 2 different schools". I had a feeling *everyone*s methods are valid (even though not ALL nutrients are equally available at any single PH in any single medium, that I've heard of),
even that guy who derailed your thread h3ad.. he had a good point (that hillbilly guy) although he was a child after he stated it. Where he went wrong was trying to tell YOU your method did not work.
Here's my experience, and trust me, it's been a long hard one.
I grew in coco with 6/9 for a little over a year. Always ran into that Mag def, no matter what. Tried switching to R/O, tried half and half, still started showing the same problem at about 5 weeks into flower. Tried starting at a lower pH, etc, no go.
So here's a few tips I have for ya:
1) Less medium is more with coco. Big pots lead to roots dying off/general overwatering. The key in coco is to root the medium entirely, then give it the hydro feed rates/ratios. Until then it needs to be treated more along the lines of promix. (Dongle verified this by yielding more in smaller pots with the same veg time, in coco ebb and flow)
2) If you're using plain tap water to break down your coco, that's a problem. I use a pH adjusted 1/3-1/2 strength complete nutrient solution to break down the coco. (Or flush it, if it's the moist bagged stuff. Bcuzz, etc..) Anytime my problem seemed to be pH related, I had to bring the pH low to compensate for breaking down the coco in 7.0 tap water. At least that is what I have observed.
3) Check your mix, all cocos are not created equal. Some are mostly pith and as a result tend to hold more water/nutrients. (B'cuzz..) I like a little more "coco chip" to my medium. GH green bricks are the tits, IME.
I've since given up on using GH nutes in coco, but I've had VERY GOOD experience recently using Advanced Nutrients Sensi Bloom. (Their Monkey Juice was allegedly just Sensi A + B + CaMag, which led to the part B spoiling..)
No matter what strength I mix this stuff up at, it ends up at 5.8ph. I really need to figure out HOW it does that, but damn, it does it. (Ph-ppm perfect technology or whatever..)
I'll post my most recent results using Sensi grow/bloom in small, homemade coco slabs. (Less is more, remember that!) Gimme a minute to dig the camera out.
Edit: Here's a picture of my coco-slab light. 12 plants, 1000w HPS, week 3 of flower.
Started in cups, vegged for roughly 3 weeks after showing roots, transplanted to the slabs about 5 days before the flip. Over-vegged, I've grown this strain this whole time and it's never blown up like this. My canopies usually leave alot to be desired..
(Way darker green than I ever saw with 6/9)
I grew in coco with 6/9 for a little over a year. Always ran into that Mag def, no matter what. Tried switching to R/O, tried half and half, still started showing the same problem at about 5 weeks into flower. Tried starting at a lower pH, etc, no go.
So here's a few tips I have for ya:
1) Less medium is more with coco. Big pots lead to roots dying off/general overwatering. The key in coco is to root the medium entirely, then give it the hydro feed rates/ratios. Until then it needs to be treated more along the lines of promix. (Dongle verified this by yielding more in smaller pots with the same veg time, in coco ebb and flow)
2) If you're using plain tap water to break down your coco, that's a problem. I use a pH adjusted 1/3-1/2 strength complete nutrient solution to break down the coco. (Or flush it, if it's the moist bagged stuff. Bcuzz, etc..) Anytime my problem seemed to be pH related, I had to bring the pH low to compensate for breaking down the coco in 7.0 tap water. At least that is what I have observed.
3) Check your mix, all cocos are not created equal. Some are mostly pith and as a result tend to hold more water/nutrients. (B'cuzz..) I like a little more "coco chip" to my medium. GH green bricks are the tits, IME.
I've since given up on using GH nutes in coco, but I've had VERY GOOD experience recently using Advanced Nutrients Sensi Bloom. (Their Monkey Juice was allegedly just Sensi A + B + CaMag, which led to the part B spoiling..)
No matter what strength I mix this stuff up at, it ends up at 5.8ph. I really need to figure out HOW it does that, but damn, it does it. (Ph-ppm perfect technology or whatever..)
I'll post my most recent results using Sensi grow/bloom in small, homemade coco slabs. (Less is more, remember that!) Gimme a minute to dig the camera out.
Edit: Here's a picture of my coco-slab light. 12 plants, 1000w HPS, week 3 of flower.
Started in cups, vegged for roughly 3 weeks after showing roots, transplanted to the slabs about 5 days before the flip. Over-vegged, I've grown this strain this whole time and it's never blown up like this. My canopies usually leave alot to be desired..
(Way darker green than I ever saw with 6/9)
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Sensi Bloom costs me roughly $80 for 4 liters of A and B. 1 gallon of Floranova Bloom costs me the same price, for roughly the same number of doses.
I digress, not trying to turn this into a GH vs. AN thread. However, I wish I would have tried the Sensi line sooner.
I digress, not trying to turn this into a GH vs. AN thread. However, I wish I would have tried the Sensi line sooner.
useful information pertaining to the topic at hand...
Best of luck, hope your garden flourishes, bro...
Note that this chart only shows ranges of maximum availability and some of the elements are available at a reduced level outside of those ranges... cross reference with these other charts, keeping in mind that coco has attributes of both soil and soilless media.
Nice post H3ad,gotta' love it!
How's things? Long time no chat-ski!
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I have noticed running at 5.5 to 5.8 in coco has been a lil bit better for what I have been doing. Sometimes I will get a little bit of a cal-mag deff. and that was w/ a ph of around 5.9 to 6.0 w/ 1 tsp./G of cal-mag plus, but lowering my ph just by a lil bit I don't see the deff. anymore.
Any of you guys use brick coco? And if so, how do you break it down?
nutrient solution
Nice post H3ad,gotta' love it!
How's things? Long time no chat-ski!
been well... busy as all hell, but healthy and happy...
how you been?
Ding ding ding.
Gettin' by.... Working through some sadness,you understand.... But mostly all caught back up from that momentary clusterfuck from a while back....
We'll catch up at 420,have some coffee and catch up.
Good to see you on track for Spring,sounds like you've got some killer stuff planned,if there's any way I can be of service,you know how to reach me brother.
Cheers!
PS> Congrats on the Casey Jones,A'Damm,that's mucho fucking cool!
(And btw,I've been running 5.5 initial pH and it's worked out really (really!) well,the Hanna Gro-Check is fucking stellar....
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If you water multiple times a day it would reset the PH more often and rezdog's method would have to be tweaked... would that make sense and explain why my plants still show defs at 5.5? I water 2x a day. What role does runoff play in the amount of PH drift that occurs?
Or alternatively maybe I could mix up my solution at 5.5, and leave it sitting out every day so it drifts in PH (that way by the end of the week I'm watering with 6.0).
Should I water less with the 5.5 method or try to make sure I am at least incurring enough PH drift? Going into the 6's PH fixed the mag problems but introduced K problems (way less severe tho, easy to fix.. drop the PH again )
Or alternatively maybe I could mix up my solution at 5.5, and leave it sitting out every day so it drifts in PH (that way by the end of the week I'm watering with 6.0).
Should I water less with the 5.5 method or try to make sure I am at least incurring enough PH drift? Going into the 6's PH fixed the mag problems but introduced K problems (way less severe tho, easy to fix.. drop the PH again
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I think you might be on to something.
if your pH keeps rising on its own then there is your problem
get better water
mixing it to a pH of 5.6 on monday, it should read MAYBE 5.7 on thursday. grow/micro/bloom won't fuck with the pH but trying to be clever with additives will...
get better water
mixing it to a pH of 5.6 on monday, it should read MAYBE 5.7 on thursday. grow/micro/bloom won't fuck with the pH but trying to be clever with additives will...
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Since I started using RO water I don't really get anymore drift. Even PH adjustments while mixing it up are way less of a headache. The mag deficiencies have slowed down, but not completely stopped yet. I'll keep growing this strain and changing stuff until I get it dialed tho
