It's gotta be shippable... As in consumer assembled.
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Prebuilt Cabinets - Market?
- Thread starter Hephaestus
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Hephaestus
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Was looking at shipping my cabinets today - they're not unreasonable... Yeah, not exactly 9.59$ but 50$ isn't too bad...
Consumer assembled - becomes more fun... So many opportunities for mistakes to happen that then end up reflecting badly on a product... With some things - probably possible, yes I could take an off the shelf wardrobe from walmart, do the prep work and make the needed modifications; but would you pay extra for me to drill a bunch of holes and lay the groudnwork and still have to do the final assembly anyway?
Consumer assembled - becomes more fun... So many opportunities for mistakes to happen that then end up reflecting badly on a product... With some things - probably possible, yes I could take an off the shelf wardrobe from walmart, do the prep work and make the needed modifications; but would you pay extra for me to drill a bunch of holes and lay the groudnwork and still have to do the final assembly anyway?
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Zombo
Not everyone is a legal medical grower/patient, so I do see both points of view. Having once purchased a custom luthiered instrument, I appreciated the craftsmanship put into it. I think Heff's cabinet will be (should it work out) a nice, lowkey unit that I'd not be ashamed to have as a piece of bedroom furniture. Stealthy? Not particularly, but for my needs, if he's willing to tinker with an LED friendly unit, I'm probably in. 
Hephaestus
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Zombo - my personal cabinet, was literally thrown together out of scraps to meet my personal needs. I'd be doing much better as a commercial venture...
to meet my personal needs. I'd be doing much better as a commercial venture...
Ok, gotcha.
I see what you're saying.
My point is that no matter what you're growing in, there shouldn't be anyone looking at it. Your grow cab isn't like in your living room or something is what I'm saying. It's not just out in the open where anyone coming to your house is going past it.
That's why I asked, I figured I was probably misinterpreting
Of course you wouldn't keep it where someone else could get to it. It'd just be an awesome project to do, imho. The challenge thing
Yeah, that's the thing, you wouldn't have seen it. It was in a very tightly controlled environment. If by some freak of nature (literally, a tornado would have had to pick up and deposited you within 3 feet of that door), you had seen it, it actually wouldn't have looked out of place in context. The shed had leaked for years before this, so everything stored there was tarped. Hell, even the shed was tarped
I think we're saying the same thing, but in two different ways
No giant BUPs in the living room!
Bonus points for the guys who remember what that's from
Hephaestus
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I don't think any of us claim that a single solution fits all... What's stealth for one will stand out like a sore thumb for others... Just trying to get an idea of what people are looking for...
To me it's largely all the same, whether its a beer fridge, a fullsize fridge, speaker, dresser, PC, wardrobe... Each has its own inherent challenges to build, and make stealthy... Trying more to get an understanding of what will be the popular options to spend more time working on those solutions/options as I progress forward...
Zombo - trying to work something on LEDs... That'll come, whether they be ledgirls or someone elses, it will be an option in most of the systems...
To me it's largely all the same, whether its a beer fridge, a fullsize fridge, speaker, dresser, PC, wardrobe... Each has its own inherent challenges to build, and make stealthy... Trying more to get an understanding of what will be the popular options to spend more time working on those solutions/options as I progress forward...
Zombo - trying to work something on LEDs... That'll come, whether they be ledgirls or someone elses, it will be an option in most of the systems...
and some of us have no choice but putting it in the living room...
Heph, I know some people who would put together a modified cab from ikea or whatever. Particularly city dwellers. For them, making simple cuts can be impossible.
Heph, I know some people who would put together a modified cab from ikea or whatever. Particularly city dwellers. For them, making simple cuts can be impossible.
Hephaestus
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Yup... I see this on half the build threads I read... Peronsally I sit wondering if people know of the existance of hole saws...
the hole saw is easy to get, but in a 400 sq foot apartment you may or may not have room for a drill, or room to make sawdust. Think NYC. People live in closets.
And I don't think too many of them will go for PC units. Your motto should be "grow your own actual stash". Plenty of NYC apartments, btw, get utilities at a flat rate, especially lofts.
And I don't think too many of them will go for PC units. Your motto should be "grow your own actual stash". Plenty of NYC apartments, btw, get utilities at a flat rate, especially lofts.
Hephaestus
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Nice... So whatcha think I should be looking at - PC grows seem to be amongst the majority, next to rubbermaids... followed by the piles of custom cabinets of all diferent sizes/shapes...
I think post assembly is the only way to do it.
I was going to do this as well at one point and have my entire business plan just chillin here and already bought a domain BUT too much fun growin to have any spare time for it.
The market is 100% there if you can make it cost effective shipped AND of quality and ability to interchange or move things around for various different setups.
As in
hydro/soil
vert/horizontal
co2/no co2
Other stuff of course, either stealth openings OR a solid key pad or lock to keep assholes out.
so many possibilities really and to solicit, why not setup a site and advertise on the site itself?
I was going to do this as well at one point and have my entire business plan just chillin here and already bought a domain BUT too much fun growin to have any spare time for it.
The market is 100% there if you can make it cost effective shipped AND of quality and ability to interchange or move things around for various different setups.
As in
hydro/soil
vert/horizontal
co2/no co2
Other stuff of course, either stealth openings OR a solid key pad or lock to keep assholes out.
so many possibilities really and to solicit, why not setup a site and advertise on the site itself?
Hephaestus
Member
Working on the website... But I want to get a better understanding of what people watn first...
God knows there's the mix of people, some just have a hard time doing the construction... Some want to do the fitup themselves, some grow weed in an aerocloner bought at walmart... Like to be able to cover as much of the market as I can... The more I look and the more I price compare systems...
Basically at the moment, trying to come up with 1 or two products to focus on - and build the website around... Once those are done and get some test grows done in them, start marketing em... But I don't want to do it in a PC case, if everyone's going to want a small lockable cabinet...
God knows there's the mix of people, some just have a hard time doing the construction... Some want to do the fitup themselves, some grow weed in an aerocloner bought at walmart... Like to be able to cover as much of the market as I can... The more I look and the more I price compare systems...
Basically at the moment, trying to come up with 1 or two products to focus on - and build the website around... Once those are done and get some test grows done in them, start marketing em... But I don't want to do it in a PC case, if everyone's going to want a small lockable cabinet...
start with a price point always.
then go from there.
for market research, maybe hit some craigslist.
then go from there.
for market research, maybe hit some craigslist.
Hephaestus
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Seen what's out there... And just marvel at what passes as a commercial grow box... Some ok might be functional - but I wouldn't want em...
Love the 2-4 CFL's in a mylar wrapped mid-tower PC case, rubbermaid in the bottom with 2-3 pots cheap airpump and stone; and a fan... For 400+$
But if noone is really interested in buying them - why spend the time developing a better version...
Looks like I probably will be doing the Cosmos1000 for my friend - he's just got to come up with the $... (his current grow is CFLs in bath fixture lights in a cardboard box...).
Love the 2-4 CFL's in a mylar wrapped mid-tower PC case, rubbermaid in the bottom with 2-3 pots cheap airpump and stone; and a fan... For 400+$
But if noone is really interested in buying them - why spend the time developing a better version...
Looks like I probably will be doing the Cosmos1000 for my friend - he's just got to come up with the $... (his current grow is CFLs in bath fixture lights in a cardboard box...).
If your not med legal, then you'd be dumber than a box of rocks to grow, to be quite quite fucking honest. You do NOT keep 3-5 of prison time in your damn living room, use your head.
If you don't even have a bedroom, then you need to focus on getting a better place, not dangling prison time out in your LIVING ROOM.
You do have a choice, it's called not growing.
Heph - Decided to go with actual stock on hand eh? That's a hell of a thing to get started, I wish you luck! I just don't have the money or time to dedicate to building a new manufacturing business from the start. It'll be cool to see your cabs being used, and remember this thread though
I'll probably just stick to custom orders and auctioning one-offs. If anyone comes to you for something with higher wattage, send 'em my way
Hephaestus
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Nite - I think I'm leaning towards 2-3 "stock ready to run" cabinets... For those with little patience/knowledge... Mostly more aiming at the custom stuff...
But - Gotta get an understanding of what those 2-3 stock cabinets should be... PC grows make the majority of the posts here, but I think most are using other larger cabinets... Trying to guage what people do want - what styles, what furniture(?) etc they think would work best, rather than bicker about the details... PC's are simple - probably start putting a couple of those together sooner than later... But I have a feeling those are the minority - usually for kids / college students...
But - Gotta get an understanding of what those 2-3 stock cabinets should be... PC grows make the majority of the posts here, but I think most are using other larger cabinets... Trying to guage what people do want - what styles, what furniture(?) etc they think would work best, rather than bicker about the details... PC's are simple - probably start putting a couple of those together sooner than later... But I have a feeling those are the minority - usually for kids / college students...
If your not med legal, then you'd be dumber than a box of rocks to grow, to be quite quite fucking honest. You do NOT keep 3-5 of prison time in your damn living room, use your head.
If you don't even have a bedroom, then you need to focus on getting a better place, not dangling prison time out in your LIVING ROOM.
You do have a choice, it's called not growing.
lol ok thanks for the heads up. I'll put it in my bedroom, which is a special police proof zone I guess.
I think I can gauge my own situation thank you.
And btw, all kinds of NYC lofts perfect for a micro grow don't even have rooms.
Not worried about a police proof zone. Talking about one where every person who enters your home isn't in the same room as the felony you're committing. The chances of some 'X-factor' occurring goes up exponentially.
Regarding your loft, if you don't have at least a closet somewhere in there, then no, it is NOT perfect for ANY grow.
Y'know what, nevermind, I don't give a shit. Go gamble your life on idiocy. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.
Sick of trying to talk the stupid out of people.
lol I'm not in a loft ATM and my living room sees no traffic except for very close friends. It being a micro grow, I can move it quickly. My dogs also give me reason to ask someone to wait outside.
It's upstairs for the winter.
Please, don't assume everyone has the same situation as you. Let me talk that one bit of stupid out of you. There may very well be people who do the opposite of you and still know what they are doing. Also just because you are paranoid does not mean the world is out to bust you.
I've had cops in my place in NYC before, after my wife was mugged. They did not flinch at the bong and kief box. They wouldn't be interested in a rubbermaid or little cabinet grow either. Nobody cares when you are white and middle class.
Not like it's a big leaky tent out in the open.
It's upstairs for the winter.
Please, don't assume everyone has the same situation as you. Let me talk that one bit of stupid out of you. There may very well be people who do the opposite of you and still know what they are doing. Also just because you are paranoid does not mean the world is out to bust you.
I've had cops in my place in NYC before, after my wife was mugged. They did not flinch at the bong and kief box. They wouldn't be interested in a rubbermaid or little cabinet grow either. Nobody cares when you are white and middle class.
Not like it's a big leaky tent out in the open.
Hephaestus
Member
Personally I believe, there should be a way to grow safely in any scenario (short of a drug dog living in the house). While a big anodized aluminum cabinet, or locker might stand out like a sore thumb - how about a working set of stereo speakers? Waiting on a kijiji'er to see about going to get a pair of 5' tall speakers... Bet I can make em functional (maybe not have the base expected) whilst having a functional grow inside... Will anyone really say much if you have a big set of speakers in your living room??? As long as noise/smell/existance is appropriate - one should be able to grow anywhere...
