LED's, up to the job yet?

[Mr.Bigbud]

Hi All, I've been looking at all these LED grows going on and wondered, 'are they good enough to be worth the money yet?'. Some of the pictures I see are of good, healthy looking plants, but then they say they yielded 60 grams under 126w of lED light and it really turns me off the idea! Anyone got more than a gram per watt under these lights? Or a decent yield of less than a gram per watt? I'd love to buy these lamps, but HID works and is so cheap, someone convince me!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Check out hazy's 126w LED vs 400w HPS side-by-side. It isn't finished but so far the LED looks like it's keeping up in veg. If hazy's LED yield only approaches his HPS, the onetime LED price factor should be nullified by the cost of operation over time. If you're planning on growing for several years, you might even be into gravy as far as overall savings.

 

[MeanBean]

My problems not the light! I just need more practice! I just finisnhed my 3rd...

I am hoping next time to really get a eyebrow rasing harvest!!

 

[hazy]

Thanks Disco.

I want to clear up a couple mistakes though. I'll make sure I bold these things in my thread so there's no more confusion. My comparison grow is between a 400 hps and a 205 watt LED. Also, I normally run a perpetual, and veg under floros. During the rearranging they spent a couple days under the 400. The first day they went under the 400/LED side by side, I put them on 12/12.

So no vegging under the LED for me yet.
I've been looking close, and so far, it's hard to tell if one's better than the other.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I think the only part I got right was the 400 hps, lol. Sorry everybody.

 

[Kal-El]

I am still waiting to see yields that match the HPS.

 

[Mr.Bigbud]

Thanks for your replys, I'm going to check out the links now and see whats what!

 

[Mr.Bigbud]

Ok, I'm not convinced yet! They look great in veg, but the plants I veg under CFL's look great and grow fast too..... and a 125W CFL costs £20 including the lampholder/lead! Lots of pics of cola's next to lighters...... under HID you can use pint glass's or beercans for scale!! Even if you could grow 126 grams under 126w of LED light, you would still be paying alot for it due to the horrific cost of these lamps. The potential is there, but its nowhere near being realized just yet. I think I will stick with my digital sodium for now anyway, its not costing that much in leccy, and the buds are fat!

 

[MikeRoOrganix]

It looks great in veg, but I have yet to see big buds in bloom with LED. Hoping! CFL is too hot IMHO. Good ol hps with homemade cooltube!

 

[MeanBean]

Dude I use a lighter casue it's all I had. Wish I woulda had a banana to compare.

Maybe next time! But honestly, I topp and FIm my plants to get them the perfect size, also I grow from clones.. You won't ever see "ONe" big bud from this, just alot of smaller ones.

Did you know that a hps is a one source light? that means the bud closest to it should be pretty big, however led's are spread out, like a grow canopy.

 

[Bud Bug]

Did you know that a hps is a one source light? that means the bud closest to it should be pretty big, however led's are spread out, like a grow canopy.

Thats why you grow in pots and move then around. Show me a LED that can pull off 2lb (dry) in 10 weeks or less (50 plants per light) out of an 4x4 area and I'll get 20 people on it next day. Hell show me a LED that can even pull off 1lb (dry) with hard buds and not cotton candy and I'll get people on them the next day.

In 5 years, maybe.

 

[MeanBean]

Not gonna go there with ya bug! I will agree to dis agree, you just don't get it man...

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[Vash]

I don't have a problem with the yield the LED's provide. My observations leave me wanting in the "dank" department. Those plants just dont seem to have the trich coverage of plants grown under HPS. I've been wanting to "drop a dime" on thsoe lights too, but I'm not convinced.

Somebody send me some bud grown under LED.

 

[Bud Bug]

Not gonna go there with ya bug! I will agree to dis agree, you just don't get it man...

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What don't want to hear the truth? Seriously if you're happy with a few ounces very few months go a head and use LED they'll get you that but until they can produce what a 1000/600w can produce none of the serious growers will care.

I've grown with LED's before and was given them by a manufacturer to test one out. It vegged rally good and grew some crazy basil but the weed end results where crap. If you like cotton candy LED's are for you.

This grow wasn't rally finished as I cut down both the 600W and LED at around 45 days of flower and only a week of veg. The 600W was 9 oz dry and hard as a rock (16 plants) the LED was 1 oz dry our of 4 plants and fluff. This was green crack and the strain doesn't produce much anyways. The LED itself was listed at $1400.

This was the same strain under a 600W

 

[MeanBean]

Sounds like YOU blew it... it's a Shame.
1400.00?? You got ripped off " it was free to u buut.". That doesn't mean the light was worth that. If you put a real 1400.00 In led in there and knew how to use them you would be singing a different tune my friend.


Don't feed me OLD fact about LED, ther new man, cutting edge. Let's talk 2010...

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[Bud Bug]

Looks like YOU blew it... it's a Shame.
1400.00?? You got ripped off " it was free to u buut.". That doesn't mean the light was worth that. If you put a real 1400.00 In led in there and knew how to use them you would be singing a different tune my friend.


Don't feed me OLD fact about LED, ther new man, cutting edge. Let's talk 2010...

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Sorry I forgot I was using a unreal 300W LED array. What was I thinking. The grow was done mid 09 sorry but LED haven't advanced much since then.

Really show me a LED light that will put out at least 20oz dry per 4x4 area in 7.5 weeks? (Not very hard to do with 1000W) and I'll get one tomorrow. Lets see.... there are none.

This was my last crop. Again nothing to write home about and I have a few buddies that put me to shame with their 2lb per light (9-10 weeks grows).

 

[MeanBean]

You can't assume one manufacture will give you the same results as another. Everyone can agree with that...

1000watts VS. my 126 watt led, sounds fair...

 

[Bud Bug]

You can't assume one manufacture will give you the same results as another. Everyone can agree with that...

1000watts VS. my 126 watt led, sounds fair...

Again if you're happy with a small hobby getting a few ounces every three months go ahead and use the LED's but CFL's will do the same and so will 400W.

Now show me a real led not some 126 watt that will out grow a 1000W even a 600W in the same time span. Show me a 300W panel which most manufacturers seem to rate as equivalent to 1000W HID LOL http://shop.sunshine-systems.com/product.sc?productId=9

 

[MeanBean]

Yeah a commercial op would be a high $ project, the right person/situation could make it beneficial though I think... The INITIAL prices are a bit high compared to bulbs, but bulbs have been mass produced for well over 100 years...


But shit one or two led panels, and you can have all the smoke ya need, on a personal basis.. no replacment parts for 10 years or more!!

Commercial growers have a bigger problem than price of led's, they need to start worrying about who's gonna by all that bud when everyone is growing their own for the price of having a 100 watt light bulb on in a shoe box....

 

[Kal-El]

Let's see the results. There is a whole section for LED growers and no one can show substantial weights.