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Fascinating and timely (for me) debate

Fascinating and timely (for me) debate

I'm an old-school dirt farmer from the Rocky Mtns recently transplanted to Oaksterdam and converted to hydro SOG (36 plants per 4x4 table and 40-gal recirculating res, each setup under 1k HPS). Vegged from dispensary-bought clones in 4" RW blocks under 400w MH for +/- 2 weeks. 1-gal bags, 1 tray coco, 1 tray hydroton.

As a newbie to the area but not to growing, I erred on the side of caution my first 2 runs and kept temps LOW (67-70, which is
easy to do here by air-cooling hoods and running at night.) Too low, apparently, as I underachieved badly my first couple of runs.

It is very bizarre going from a place with no humidity to speak of to a place with 50-60% RH commonplace. I also encountered PM, mites and fungus gnats, and lost half a crop to an insane infestation of root aphids -- a pest I had never even heard of until I moved here.

Recently did a total room makeover, to a semi-sealed system.
(Still have an exhaust fan and a filtered passive intake). I bought an 8-burner nat gas CO2 gen and a 70-pint dehumi. I let the CO2 blast until ambient temps reach roughly 87, then my controller switches off the CO2 and switches on the exhaust until the temp drops back down to around 83. RH hovers between 44-47, peaks in the low 50s.

Ironically, bringing in fresh air actually raises the humidity level, so the dehumidifier runs the temps up for a few minutes longer than necessary.

CO2 ppm usually tops out around 1300, at which point the exhaust kicks in due to heat. At no point does the CO2 ppm fall below 850-900.

As someone with absolutely zero experience with sealed room/CO2 enrichment, 87 feels like a fuckin sauna. This thread has definitely helped me maintain my sanity.

Now, do you guys think I should raise the temps another 2-3 degrees, at which point the CO2 should easily cross the 1500 ppm threshold? Or am I better off staying put? I'm 2 weeks into flower on one tray (ChemDawg and Casey Jones), 3 weeks on the other (Sweet Tooth, Purple AK, and Chronic).

Also, to (hopefully) prevent bud rot and minimize PM, at what point do I shut off the CO2 and crank the dehumidifier (if ever)? Sweet Tooth finishes between 49-51 days, Casey can go 65-70, and everything else comes in at 56-60.
 
Dehumidifer question

Dehumidifer question

Legal, what brand/model of dehumidifier do you use? I'm looking into the 100-pint Santa Fe; heard it pulls a ton of moisture without generating much heat.
 

Shcrews

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my sealed room:

-daytime temp: 80 f
-daytime co2: 1500ppm
-daytime RH: 60%

-night temp: 64 f
-night co2: off
-night RH: 80%

i keep a dehuey running all night in mid to late flower., otherwise the AC removes plenty of moisture.
 

foaf

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Now, do you guys think I should raise the temps another 2-3 degrees, at which point the CO2 should easily cross the 1500 ppm threshold?

I kinda agree with lazyman despite my posts about the thoughts regarding maximum growth at higher temps with co2. I think it is safer staying in more common ranges, especially at first.
 
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Pure.Dope

I run an LG 40-pint. Icebox and chiller keep my sealed room at 84f.
 
Pure: I just took down my 4x4 tent, but used to run a flood and drain table under a 600 w w/ res inside tent without any problems whatsoever. At different times I used hydroton, rockwool blocks rockwool croutons, and coco coir with no appreciable difference except that the coco didn't need watered nearly as often. I think you only need to sweat the res temps if you run aero or DWC.
 
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rmcc-luke

sealed room with 2 4x4 tables, 2 - 400 watt air cooled hoods.
1500 -1700 ppm of co2, around 80-82.5 f, and 35-40 rh during the day.
300ppm of co2, about 69-74f @ 35-40 rh during the the night.
 
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Pure.Dope

sealed room with 2 4x4 tables, 2 - 400 watt air cooled hoods.
1500 -1700 ppm of co2, around 80-82.5 f, and 35-40 rh during the day.
300ppm of co2, about 69-74f @ 35-40 rh during the the night.

Luke how are the 400w working out for you on the 4x4 table? I'm sure you know you'd probably benefit from 600w or 1000w.

BTW, does anybody know if MH run cooler than HPS bulbs?
 

Lazyman

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No, MH tends to run hotter, as they use the same amount of energy, but put out less light than the HPS. The energy difference is heat.
 
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rmcc-luke

Pure.Dope: the lights are too weak - our last harvest was light, but I also blame the switch to slabs. We were using them because they were what we had after a closet grow. We are moving to 2 - 1000w luma's in a few weeks and right now we are setting up a custom multi flow to replace the tables (we only have 7.5 ft vert so the 1000's would have been to close/hot with the tables. Happy to head back to hydroton :) w/ 4" rockwool
 

Legaldroman

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I'm using a drieaz lrg dehumidifier. Cost about 1800 but it's worth it, super quite and very efficient. They were the units used after Katrina to help with the houses in New Orleans....they work!!!!
 

Rosy Cheeks

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I am running at 1500ppm of co2, around 82f, and 45-50 rh during the day.

and 400ppm of co2, about 75-78f and 45-50 rh during the the night.

all opinions are welcome but please remember that these are all just opinions.:smokeit:

Let me give you a quick run-down on how plants function:

Plants need oxygen for cellular respiration, they get it from photosynthesis, a process that breaks down CO2 into carbon (C) and oxygen (O). Some of the O is used for other plants processes, but most is expelled back into the air. The C is combined with water to form sugar molecules, which are then converted into carbohydrates.

During the night, photosynthesis stops and therefore also the assimilation of CO2. In fact, plants give off CO2 through the process of cellular respiration. But the plant still needs oxygen. It actually uses oxygen it has left over from the daylight photosynthesis or takes the oxygen directly from the air surrounding the plant to meet its energy needs.

Conclusion: plants do not need CO2 during night, but rather oxygen. Now, you say you influx 400 ppm of CO2 at night which kind of perplexes me, because that is the average CO2 content of normal air (approximately 385 ppm). Do you just circulate the air at night, or do you actually influx 400 ppm of CO2?
 
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Pure.Dope

Pure.Dope: the lights are too weak - our last harvest was light, but I also blame the switch to slabs. We were using them because they were what we had after a closet grow. We are moving to 2 - 1000w luma's in a few weeks and right now we are setting up a custom multi flow to replace the tables (we only have 7.5 ft vert so the 1000's would have been to close/hot with the tables. Happy to head back to hydroton :) w/ 4" rockwool

Good to hear. Hope that ups your harvest quite a bit for you. :dance013:
 
"I'm using a drieaz lrg dehumidifier. Cost about 1800 but it's worth it, super quite and very efficient. They were the units used after Katrina to help with the houses in New Orleans....they work!!!!" -- Legaldroman

Thanks for the info. I'm torn between Santa Fe and Dri-Eaz. I've read/heard good things about both...Does yours kick out any heat? My current Sears dehuey raises room temps (almost 30 sq ft) nearly 10 degrees.
 

waltwalt

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I just finished converting my soil grow to RDWC. I run a sealed room and everything is controlled, CO2, humidity, temperature, reservoir temperature.
Previously in soil I couldn't chill the roots obviously so I had the same system but no reservoir temperature, RH was much lower with soil as well.

My settings in soil were:
Temperature (day/night): 84/72
RH (day/night): 40/60
CO2 (day/night): (1500/whatever didnt get used by the plants)

In hydro:
Temperature: 88/76
Reservoir Temperature: 68
RH: 50/50
CO2: (1500/whatever didnt get used by the plants)

In soil I got about 5oz per plant from 12 plants on two 4x3 trays under 2x1000w hps. I'm limited to space so I'm going for bigger plants in the RDWC and am only running 6 buckets.
 

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