What can we do about Climate Change?

[headband 707]

agreed :-/

Sorry I disagree .. Everyday I make an effort to do things differently whether it be walking or not putting everything in plastic. Or not being a total waste of fucking space on this earth without atleast trying to give a helping hand to whoever needs it bro . It all starts with you .. peace out Headband707

 

[RetroGrow]

oil is the biggest problem. Headband707

You are correct in that oil is a problem, but it pales compared to cattle ranching. That is by far our biggest problem and largest cause of environmental destruction. Nothing else even comes close. But no one wants to talk about it, because they are part of the problem.

 

[MarquisBlack]

I know I'm part of that particular problem. Beef is one hell of an addiction. Got some coursing through my veins right now, begging me to keep eating it.

Once it's out of my system I feel like I can go without. But as soon it's reintroduced, I'm hooked.

 

[stink.whistler]

I know I'm part of that particular problem. Beef is one hell of an addiction. Got some coursing through my veins right now, begging me to keep eating it.

Once it's out of my system I feel like I can go without. But as soon it's reintroduced, I'm hooked.

Humans are omnivorous - if we were meant to be vegetarians we would have a different gut, different teeth, and critters wouldn't be so darn tasty.

(that said, you can be vegetarian and healthy)

 

[MarquisBlack]

I tried the vegetarian thing... It wasn't quite for me. Everytime I saw meat it was like a recovering crackhead spotting a ziploc bag of sugar.

However, putting a stop to cattle ranching doesn't mean we can't have beef. Perhaps they could be raised in the east instead?

 

[ijimunot]

The world has seen many climate changes. Most before man ever took a dump on this earth. It will happen many more times with or without us. The amount of energy and pollution used and created just for our wise men to have a climate change conference is more than your family will use or create in a life time.

 

[RetroGrow]

I tried the vegetarian thing... It wasn't quite for me. Everytime I saw meat it was like a recovering crackhead spotting a ziploc bag of sugar.

However, putting a stop to cattle ranching doesn't mean we can't have beef. Perhaps they could be raised in the east instead?

Eat chicken, duck, fish, turkey.
You don't have to be a vegetarian.

 

[stink.whistler]

 

[Rednick]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Did you ever think of reading before spouting off?
Can you even read?
If so, read this:

"Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Did you ever think of doing any reading before spouting off?
"Water is a less often considered issue when it comes to grazing. Cattle consume 10-15 gallons of water a day, and it takes 360 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef. That means that on average, 1 million head of cattle will consume 12.5 million gallons of water a day. One must question whether this is a good allocation of resources in an arid environment.

The entire West (which includes everything west of the Mississippi) exists in what is called 'water deficit'. What this means is that the potential water loss due to evaporation is greater than the amount of average annual rainfall. This is not a problem in the East, where a water surplus exists. But in the West, any water removed from the system is essentially "mined," meaning that it will not get replaced (or will get replaced very slowly).

In the Ogalala aquifer in the Midwest, for example, the water table of the aquifer has declined severely in the last hundred or so years. When the farmers in that area take the last drop of water out of the Ogalala (which should happen within the next 50-75 years if memory serves) there will be no more groundwater for any activity there. Unless water is diverted over land from the East or Canada, all of that farm land will be useless. The same holds true for all of the West. So when large amounts of cattle were/are added to the West, the cattle takes away water from streams, lakes, and human consumption".
http://www.thebeckoning.com/environment/cattle/resource.html

Keep reading, if you can:

Livestock production, which includes the irrigation of livestock feed crops, accounts for the greatest consumption of water in the West. Such a water-intensive industry is poorly suited to the arid West. Dewatering of rivers and groundwater pumping for irrigation is a major cause of species decline throughout the region, and water development for agriculture is costly to taxpayers.

When people think of California and water, they often imagine sprawling cities dotted liberally with swimming pools and watered lawns; legions of vain auto owners washing their SUVs, sports cars, and minivans; and endless acres of verdant golf courses - all sucking down rivers both near and far. This image is partly correct - rivers are going dry. But the major reason is not direct consumption by humans - urbanites running sprinklers on their front yards and the like. In California, the major user of water is agriculture, and within agriculture, the thirstiest commodity is the cow.

Overall, agriculture accounts for 83 percent of all water used in California. It's true that California grows the majority of America's fruits and vegetables, so liberal use of water by its agricultural sector would not be unexpected. However, few people would suspect that growing feed for cattle is the predominant agricultural use of water in California. In 1997, 1.7 million acres of the state were planted to alfalfa alone. Irrigated pasture and hayfields consume more water than any other single crop in California - more than a third of all irrigation water. 1 Together, alfalfa and hay and pasturage account for approximately half of all water used in the state.
Cows are poorly adapted to arid environments. They are profligate consumers of water. Beef production demands an estimated 3,430 gallons of water just to produce one steak! 7 Most western rangelands simply don't provide enough forage alone - because the climate is too dry - to run livestock economically. Supplemental feed and irrigated pasture are also needed. Many of the ecological and health impacts of livestock production in the West are associated with the use and abuse of water: the livestock industry alters water quantity and quality and water flow regimes."




http://www.publiclandsranching.org/htmlres/wr_guzzling_water.htm

Unlike the crap you just posted, I am providing links and proof, not that it would matter to someone as thoughtless as yourself.

Fuck you Al Gore (Al Whore)....

Do the fucking math, bitch!!!!!!

You state statistics but yet you have no fucking idea where they come from!

Anything with a fucking .org should be read with a grain (or shaker) of salt.

"Water is a less often considered issue when it comes to grazing. Cattle consume 10-15 gallons of water a day, and it takes 360 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef. "

"In the Ogalala aquifer in the Midwest, for example, the water table of the aquifer has declined severely in the last hundred or so years. When the farmers in that area take the last drop of water out of the Ogalala (which should happen within the next 50-75 years if memory serves) there will be no more groundwater for any activity there. Unless water is diverted over land from the East or Canada, all of that farm land will be useless. The same holds true for all of the West. So when large amounts of cattle were/are added to the West, the cattle takes away water from streams, lakes, and human consumption".
http://www.thebeckoning.com/environm.../resource.html
"
Don't get me started on the Ogallla you Nebraskan self-righteous asshole. Your people fucked that up, not me!!!!! ...and what fucked it up???
Corn, mfer!!! [ie AGRICULTURE]

"Cattle consume 10-15 gallons of water a day"
Fuck me! How many GPH does your shower use? How many GPF (Gallons Per Flush) does your toilette use? I use way more than 15 GPD (Gallons Per Day), even when I don't shower. The truth is an ugly bitch. I drink at least one gallon, now I'm down to 14. Ohhh, wait I forgot beer, make that 10.

???Do you have a grass lawn??? I bet so.

And finally, one pound of beef does have a lot of protein.

You also forgot that I first and foremost favored population control.

'Cause as Tony Montana said "fucking cock-a-roaches".

Grass fed versus grain fed...Apples to Oranges.

 

[Rednick]

As for solutions, sure I'll offer one. One solution is for everybody who believes in global warming/climate change to drastically cut their usage of all things that might contribute to the problem.

Double fuck me!

 

[Rednick]

Nuclear.

 

[Rednick]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gallons_of_water_does_an_average_american_use_in_a_day

It is a Wiki answer, so it may not be CREDIBLE to you.

But fuck it, here is anothr web resource (I neve visted before, but it even has a Dot Com, so it at least meets your high bar for VETTED sources).
http://www.aquacraft.com/Publications/resident.htm

And really, if it is so water intensive, then why am I doing it instead of Agriculture...
For the money???? (as I shit myself laughing)

And if you really give a shit...http://www.cotrout.org/

Thanks.

 

[MarquisBlack]

Back on topic-

This was back in August

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/a-new-more-co2-absorbent-algae-strain/

A California start-up, Aurora Biofuels, says it has cultivated algae that doubles production of biodiesel by absorbing more than twice as much carbon dioxide as conventional strains.

According to Robert Walsh, the chief executive of the company, Aurora’s breakthrough was to develop algae mutations that can ingest carbon dioxide regardless of the intensity of sunlight.

 

[Rednick]

Concentrated Solar Power is promising. So are solar panels in development at NREL that capture six times as much energy. Next Generatoin Nuclear Powerplants have the ability to usher in the Hydrogen fuel age. Biofuels will be important.
A big question is 'how much do you want to pay for electricity'.
We already have the infrastructure for gas, oil and coal.

In Germany, where the government backs 30yr loans on solar panels, electricity cost about 50cents a KWH. In Colorado it is around 12cents.
Sun Edison does a similar thing, but they only have so much money.

In my opinion, Nuclear is the fuel for the next 300 years. Other countries are embracing it, why the fuck are we in the US, still listening to Jane Fonda. Actors do not make good leaders, but they are charismatic as hell so we think they must know what they are talking about.

Take a look at
http://www.eia.doe.gov/
The Energy Information Administration is an independent statistical branch of the DOE. Which means they are not influenced by any Presedential Administration.
Just the facts ma'am. And reality is a moijthfuoicker.

 

[facelift]

If fossil fuels and it's uses causes the climate to change, then it can be used to change the climate.

It's BS. Just like recycling. If it make you feel good about yourself to do it, then do it.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

biofuels are bad if they displace food production.

 

[Nor'Easter]

agreed, but it can be made from algae or cellulose materials like plant stalks.

 

[Nor'Easter]

I think it is contradictory and more than a little ironic that so many of those who feel man DOES NOT have the power to effect the climate by CO2 emissions, DO BELIEVE in grand bizarre conspiracies where a unified global force is out to get them, and that man IS EFFECTING the climate (and causing earthquakes!) through haarp and contrails and so on. You'd sooner believe in the tooth fairy than what is right in front of your face! You folks need to get some perspective and focus!

 

[iSmokeTrees]

In my opinion, Nuclear is the fuel for the next 300 years. Other countries are embracing it, why the fuck are we in the US, still listening to Jane Fonda. Actors do not make good leaders, but they are charismatic as hell so we think they must know what they are talking about.

Nuclear is the answer. 80% of France is nuclear. There is no reason the french should be better than us at anything!!! :lol:

Q: How many people were exposed to the radiation level of a chest x-ray during the "3 mile island incident?"

A: ZERO.

biofuels are bad if they displace food production.

Every single produce industry destroys a portion of their crop every year to keep market price high. People are only going to buy so much broccoli, so they mine as well sell it for as much as they can. My hometown dumped 25 tons of crop last summer.

 

[Rednick]

Nuclear is the answer. 80% of France is nuclear. There is no reason the french should be better than us at anything!!! :lol:

I don't have an exact reference, but if you believe in global brain drain theory (ie The best and the brightest move right here)...
If Amerika isn't #1, then we are at least number two in nuclear science....
But not production ('cept bombs), fucking Jane Fonda!

Coal baby, read the report...
A lot of smart people work over at the Energy Information Administration. Facts not fiction.

P.S. Etats-Unis...Fuck yeah.