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StealthyStalks

Hey Noob, aren't you Hal?

Either way I wanted to give this thread a bump. It was this thread that actually got me to join ICMAG.

I have been an outdoor grower for many years and was looking for a way to spread out my harvest times so I didn't have the logistical nightmare I do now with everything being ready for harvest at once. I started reading through ICMAG to find strains with good bag appeal, strong potency and that would be done earlier that my own custom strain that is ready by September 14 @ 44 degrees N latitude. I was very curious of the autoflowing strains but leery of their ruderalis genetics and the potency issues that come with them. This thread has opened a whole new world of possibilities for me for my outdoor grows as well as indoor for shits and grins.

I have always grown from seed and have found their vigor to be leaps and bounds over clones I have used in the past. Also, starting from seeds you can blast them with light from the get-go. My seedlings are 18" from a 400w MH 24 hours a day from day one. The blue from the MH and the intensity of having the light so close really keeps the plants short and stout. I think this is where a lot of people make the mistake of babying their seedlings too much; unlike clones, seedlings can be blasted with light right away and the first week or two of light make all the difference in the end.

I do want to do a hybrid of this method indoors because I think you have something going here. While my method won't be a true 12/12 grow, it will use the benefit of seed vigor and eliminate the need for having to keep mother plants; those are two big plusses IMO! My hybrid method would require a small separate room where the plants would be started from seeds about a month before you would harvest the flower room. I would start them under intense light from a MH 24/0 until the last seed poked its head, then reduce the light one hour per day until 12/12. After one month you would have stout plants with seed vigor that are sexed and ready for the flower room or to be planted outside after the summer solstice. The best of both worlds in my book!

Anyway, thank you for the awesome thread! I have gleaned a lot of knowledge I can incorporate into my own methods. I am sorry for all the A-holes you had come on this thread and bash your method without even trying it. Where is all the love?...lol

Keep it green, Noob! :smokeit:
 

kaze420

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12/12 from seed is good for small growing. 19 days from under lights.
female bagseed LST/FIM
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i love the outcome of 12-12 from seed. worked really well for me when i tried it. might have to try it again this year. keep it up homies! :yes::yes:
 

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kydenj29

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12/12 from seed with schwag seed

12/12 from seed with schwag seed

I'm going to try this one out with my growbox. and some mexican schwag.
 

Masterlow

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For a medium length flowering sativa like say, swazi, it takes about 2-3 weeks from seed till the plant shows sex, then will flower and grow for another 12-15 weeks depending on pheno. but some sativa's will go for 20+ weeks, so it depends on the strain..
 
I have heard and read about this technique. It makes sense because in some parts of the world they only get 12 to 13 hrs of day light depending on the season. This is awesome, I will do this on my next grow for sure.
 

panik

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For a medium length flowering sativa like say, swazi, it takes about 2-3 weeks from seed till the plant shows sex, then will flower and grow for another 12-15 weeks depending on pheno. but some sativa's will go for 20+ weeks, so it depends on the strain..
20 weeks, thats almost half a year :frown:
 
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vonforne

My version of this is veg for 8 to 10 days or until second set of leaves form. This round I am doing an f3 run with the f2´s of MNS SSH. They will stop stretching next month maybe. The pheno I used for these is the shorter flowering pheno and will finish in about 12\13 weeks.

A bud on a stick but damn I love sativas!!!

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PetFlora

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Thinkin Outside the Box

Thinkin Outside the Box

Hey Noob, aren't you Hal?

Either way I wanted to give this thread a bump. It was this thread that actually got me to join ICMAG.

I have been an outdoor grower for many years and was looking for a way to spread out my harvest times so I didn't have the logistical nightmare I do now with everything being ready for harvest at once. I started reading through ICMAG to find strains with good bag appeal, strong potency and that would be done earlier that my own custom strain that is ready by September 14 @ 44 degrees N latitude. I was very curious of the autoflowing strains but leery of their ruderalis genetics and the potency issues that come with them. This thread has opened a whole new world of possibilities for me for my outdoor grows as well as indoor for shits and grins.

I have always grown from seed and have found their vigor to be leaps and bounds over clones I have used in the past. Also, starting from seeds you can blast them with light from the get-go. My seedlings are 18" from a 400w MH 24 hours a day from day one. The blue from the MH and the intensity of having the light so close really keeps the plants short and stout. I think this is where a lot of people make the mistake of babying their seedlings too much; unlike clones, seedlings can be blasted with light right away and the first week or two of light make all the difference in the end.

I do want to do a hybrid of this method indoors because I think you have something going here. While my method won't be a true 12/12 grow, it will use the benefit of seed vigor and eliminate the need for having to keep mother plants; those are two big plusses IMO! My hybrid method would require a small separate room where the plants would be started from seeds about a month before you would harvest the flower room. I would start them under intense light from a MH 24/0 until the last seed poked its head, then reduce the light one hour per day until 12/12. After one month you would have stout plants with seed vigor that are sexed and ready for the flower room or to be planted outside after the summer solstice. The best of both worlds in my book!

Anyway, thank you for the awesome thread! I have gleaned a lot of knowledge I can incorporate into my own methods. I am sorry for all the A-holes you had come on this thread and bash your method without even trying it. Where is all the love?...lol

Keep it green, Noob! :smokeit:

It never ceases to amaze me how creative mj growers can be.
I too backoff- an hour every couple days from 18/6 to 12/12
 

hspliffed

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I thought I would show off my 12/12 from seed. This is Nirvana's Short Rider 12/12 from seed in an Aerogarden. She was started under CFLs and then to a 250 watt MH and finishing under a 220w HPS conversion bulb. These pictures are at about 59 days from seed. She is flushing now and will be ready soon.
 

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PetFlora

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It Should Be Good for TAG

It Should Be Good for TAG

I picked up a couple tips skimming through this thread that could be very helpful for TRUE Aeroponic Growing (TAG). One of the problems with TAG from seed, at least, is the roots grow fast and long.

1. Clones lack a tap root, consequently they do not grow as big a root system. This should be VG for TAG.

2. Plants grown 12/12 from seed, are shorter and less bushy.

This could allow 4-5 plants to a 18G tote.

3. The lack of stretch would be especially good for LED users. (I had to bend most of my plants as they hit the top of my DIY tent.)

Also due to a lack of penetration, I had to cut away almost a foot of low branches and popcorn above the table. This means my lights had to be a foot higher. So it could help with that too.

Props to everyone who notated these things. :dance013:
 

nooob

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12/12 strain report, cheese - bigbudda

12/12 strain report, cheese - bigbudda

1) your experience level... second grow but first time 12/12 second time growing cheese

2) Lighting... 250w hps from day 1, sylvania bulb standard hobby reflector/wing

3) Container size... 9" diameter 8"deep

4) Soil recipe/mix... biobizz all mix, straight out of the bag (good layer of stones in the bottom for drainage)

5) Watering schedule... about every 3 days, lifting the container or when the soil shrinks away from the sides.

6) Nutrients used... hesi starter kit ,super vit , tnt complex , roots complex , bloom complex , phosphorus plus...at relevant times... applied every watering started at 400 ppm then up'd to 2000ppm over 5/6 weeks then backed off to 1000 ppm for last week before flushing. ph 5.5-6.0

7) Time until sexing... about 20 days, only one cheese plant so could be sooner depending on pheno

8) Total flower time... 9weeks so 63 days could have chopped at 8weeks but i was late with flushing

9) Conclusion... well its cheese, smells great and smokes smooth , it all went smoothly really so i think ide go again,she was topped so there were 6 colas, plant was about 24" tall (including the pot) resulting in 30g cured buds so not bad. 9 pots under a 250w (i have other ladies taking up that space) would make 270g so more than a gram per watt, spot on Atmospheres results.:biggrin:

 
I'm about to set up a grow box that will only be 16" tall. So hopefully the soil pot and lights won't take up too much room.

One thing I haven't been able to decide yet is what strain to use. Regarding, potency and yield:What are some strains that work well under the 12/12 method?And one last question: What are your experiences with ScroG?
 

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