Ebb & flo to Ebb & grow. 6/9 gh.

[gmanwho]

1000 hps corner...

1000 hps corner...

Spent a few hours building this up a few nights ago. i'll get some pics with the plants in,the parbolic hood and cool tube. it's amazing everything i had, beside the 1 gal buckets. Dollar store baby. I CAN NOT STAND having to take a separate trip to the store for a simple fitting, so i usually by extra when im there where ever it may be..

i was gonna anchor metal brackets to the walls for the shelves. and since that would be a few hours of work of drilling concrete, adding anchors and final leveling, and then not sure if this sytem will work, i thought about using some of my old 2 gal buckets as stands for the 2x8 shelving. Everything seemed to come together. A little knowledge of this an that created this.

6 1 gal on the bottom, 10 1 gal on the top

All the buckets are shimmed forward so the the flood/drain fitting is about a 1/2" lower to that side. very little standing water left after the drain.

Here's the contraption i built that makes the adjustable water height possible for 2 levels. 1 separate pump feeding the lower 6, then another pump feeding the top level.

thats a nice hose clamp shim dont u think??


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[YosemiteSam]

Props on that. One of the cooler things I have seen anyone build. Hope it works out perfect for you.

 

[gmanwho]

Yosemitesam, whats up. i thought it was cool as hell too,i read it like 3-5 years ago. Think it was bonzo's thread that i saw this idea. The original theory came from a setup that used upside down 2-liters with the bottoms cut off.

The pvc sideways " U " is rather simple. the pump feeds from the lower end, it t's off to the buckets at that low end. the raise in the pvc sets the height to which the water level in the buckets will reach.

In theory, when the water in the buckets reach whatever the top height of the pvc piping is set to, the water flows back to the rez and does not fill the buckets any higher. Forming a fill cycle, the water level raises, when it reaches the set height, the water still being pumped will then be diverted back down to the rez. When the pump shuts off, gravity drains the buckets back through an out the pump..

I had similar setup before,only one level thou, which worked perfect, and the pump could run all day an the buckets would never overfill.

But this one was a serious pain in the ass. It would over fill a bucket or 2 after 13+ minutes of pump on time. I tried lowering multiple Pvc "sideways U " heights, different anti syphon hole placement,an I leveled this and that. I have a few ideas on why this doesnt work perfect, but its working good now an i dont wanna mess with it really at the moment.

i think some of my issues stem from the 1/2"pvc dropping down to the 1/2" inch black hydro fittings. Possibly. For one,the hydro fittings are a smaller inside diameter, causing chokes on the return to the rez.Not Allowing enough flow back the rez, therefore filling bickets higher.... anyways..

i ended up setting the pump on time to 10 min on, 4 hr off. the 10 min on works perfect, no over fills. 10 min on brings the water level high enough.

Now i gotta keep up with the PH an nute balances. working with a 25 gal rez this time. had a 15 gal before.already thinking about doubleing up the 25 gal rez's already. 1000's can create very demanding environment at close range. I do have extra co2 as well. def's sem to appear way faster then what i've experienced from my 600's. Slight learning curve.....

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[gmanwho]

the new corner is happy. i pulled out one runt from the shadows. shit got crazy real fast. im not sure it was the best decision to run all these casey's in here at this start size. but shits hectic and i only got another 12" of height. larger plants are about 28-32" tall from top of buckets X about 15-18" wide. The smaller top row is about 14-20" tall and 8-12" wide.

Some have gotten big, stretch should be almost over soon. Some light yellowing. At the start i switched to to 6/12 m/b. about to start pk/13/4 in another 2 maybe 3 days. adjust the ph to 5.7, 2 days later at 6.0-6.1 i ph back down to 5.6-5.7 again. they seem happy other then some heat issues on some of the close close plants to the cool tube, or slight N def.

the cj's always want more food.

Somas lavender

Unknown X RKS

CJ #? 7 or 9, most likely 7

one of my cj 7's

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[grwAer0]

Nice man I like ur thread always something new to find. Thank you for sharing.

 

[gmanwho]

Grwaero, right on man, glad your enjoying.

Well.... im gonna show one star that has been shining pretty bright this whole run. She was abit bigger then most that went at the beginning. But i've realized under the 1000 how much bigger her sites are at earlier stages of flower compared to what i have.

And this run has made an impression an i think she has some serious potential. So here she is the unknown RKS cross. She doesnt smell skunky. More berry an sweet. I 've searched around to try to identify her but no luck so far.

All i can say is she has my attention now.

Unknown X RKS Day 50

Enjoy. More to follow.. An B-safe

 

[gmanwho]

Some more .....


Still day 50 photos of the unknown x RKS

And her @ day 15.

She is a darker green now after a fresh batch of nutes an start of the pk 13/14.



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[Buddle]

Nice

Nice

Hey Gman...Looking good.

 

[Bionik Kronik]

So what is the benefit of using the REZ formula and not the orginal Lucas formula? Obvioulsy it's a lighter mix and it seems that you cut out the micro half way through. Have you experienced any defiencies after cutting out the micro? When I read the lucas post he says that pk 13/14 is good but only if it is controlled correct. Does adding the the 13/14 make you ppm levels rise after adding?

Are you still using the floralicious? are you still spraying with rhizotonic? @ what dillution? 2ml or the full 15ml?

Why are you not adding the cannazyme ant full strength?

How do you like the results from spraying the bioboost? Are you still using the snow storm?

Sorry for all the questions. I'm just really interested in you feeding schedule.

I'm growing in the Ebb+Gro system and love the benefits of hydroponics, but I really want to focus on good yield, aroma and floavor. I am currently running the full line-up of HESI nutrients. My strains currently include Super Lemon Haze, Red Desiel and Yumbolt 47.

Any response or advice would be great.

 

[gmanwho]

Buddle, glad u could stop in.

Bionik Kronik, fear an loathing is one of my all time top favortites. just alone when it was in the theaters i think i saw it 4-5 times.

well the rez form is based off lucas. it is lighter feed ratio. Pk 13/14 can be overdone easily. i run it at 5mil per gal.

I have seen some defs, especially under the 1000. so im trying 6/12, even trying it under the 600's . as for cutting out the micro i have seen some start yellowing within days, then others are fine. It is Abit harder to dial in with multiple strains in there.

I'm trying 6/12, an when the sced says to cut the micro, i have been starting to run micro at half strength,3mil per gal. and i think they all around agree better to the 3 mil then cutting the micro out completely. Especially in the 65+ day strains it seems.

I stopped the cananzyme cause its expensive as any hydroponic zyme product. I did use cannazyme, but then I have read that mainly these zyme products are basically barley straw extracts. some truth it seems. An so i am testing using barley straw in the rez and barley straw extracts added in. So far they seem happy.

The bioboost i like to spray. it seems to work very quickly. they seem to actually " Maybe finish a little earlier as well". Not 100% on that yet. i run it at like 10 mil per gal.

I still folair rhizio in early stages.

I still u use floarlicious + at 1 mil per gal.

I' have been adding the floarlicious + to the rhizo & bioboost foliars.

I have been using the purplemax/snow storm. Tried it like at day 45+, i dont think it worked as well starting that late. Trying 30 days on the 1000 in the back corner and the ebb when they get there.

In addition to the barley straw i have been adding mycrohyze to the mesh bag floating in the rez.

they seem happier then they ever been in any medium i have ever worked with. Alot of experimenting going on, but everything i add all have something theoretically to add to the equation.

this run im trying my ph at 6.0 throughout.

I also added 6 more 1 gals to the top tier. Each 600 now has 6 2.5 gal on the lower level. then 8 1 gals on the top level, 4 on each side.

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[CovertCrops]

Looking great Gman. So you have granular myco in a mesh bag in the rez? How often do you replace the material in the bag? I'm runnin PBP lately and been thinking of adding myco as well. Does it make a mess out of your rez? Thanks bro. Good growin!

 

[Bionik Kronik]

I stopped the cananzyme cause its expensive as any hydroponic zyme product. I did use cannazyme, but then I have read that mainly these zyme products are basically barley straw extracts. some truth it seems. An so i am testing using barley straw in the rez and barley straw extracts added in. So far they seem happy.

Well I do like the cannazyme and plan on still using it. Can you recomend a dose I should should use or go with the 8ml that most zyme products call for?

I still folair rhizio in early stages.

Can I add the Rhizotonic to my reservior? And should I go with the 15ml or the 2ml per gallon?

 

[gmanwho]

Well I do like the cannazyme and plan on still using it. Can you recomend a dose I should should use or go with the 8ml that most zyme products call for?



Can I add the Rhizotonic to my reservior? And should I go with the 15ml or the 2ml per gallon?

I always ran the zyme at 5mil per gal throughout. Maybe for math reasons. Seemed to work just fine.Same thing with the rhizo. 5 mil per gal works fine with a few foliars at whatever they recomend, 15mill per gal or??? Good luck...


An covert, i use a mesh bag that was soppoosed to be put around submersible pumps. Pantyhose, or screenprinting material should work just fine. Old sock...
No mess.

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[anferneybra]

hey there, I have been running GH for 5 to 6 years now and Im just now onto these forums.
I am wondering what ppm you average in each different set of weeks

I have run the GH 3 part line a ton, and am used to using the grow, but reading the huge post from rez for his coco system at 6/9 and the lucas at 8/16 im wondering why everyone is cutting out the grow? just on the fact that micro has enough N in it?

I try to maintain a ph of 6.0 for reservoirs
veg at 1400-1500 ppm
and bloom at 1700-1800
ive been thinking by reading these posts i can bring down the ppm with the ph to 5.5
would that be correct you think?

I run the EF system with 2 gallon buckets and hydroton
I think i may have some salt build up, but im lowering the ph now
the plants are about 4 - 5 feet tall out of the bucket, each averaging 600grams + under a 1000w

 

[Bionik Kronik]

but reading the huge post from rez for his coco system at 6/9 and the lucas at 8/16 im wondering why everyone is cutting out the grow? just on the fact that micro has enough N in it?

Well, to my understanding, the lucas formula contains enought N and Mg that you do not need the grow. Simply by adding it, it just might be to much for the plants to handle.

I my self am going to try the lucas formula for the first time on my next round. I'm also going to foliar feed with floralicious bloom, floralicious plus and floranectar.

 

[gmanwho]

hey there, I have been running GH for 5 to 6 years now and Im just now onto these forums.
I am wondering what ppm you average in each different set of weeks

I have run the GH 3 part line a ton, and am used to using the grow, but reading the huge post from rez for his coco system at 6/9 and the lucas at 8/16 im wondering why everyone is cutting out the grow? just on the fact that micro has enough N in it?

I try to maintain a ph of 6.0 for reservoirs
veg at 1400-1500 ppm
and bloom at 1700-1800
ive been thinking by reading these posts i can bring down the ppm with the ph to 5.5
would that be correct you think?

I run the EF system with 2 gallon buckets and hydroton
I think i may have some salt build up, but im lowering the ph now
the plants are about 4 - 5 feet tall out of the bucket, each averaging 600grams + under a 1000w

You'd b correct on the micro having enough N in it. it is 5-0-1, plus trace elements. There is no need for the grow.

For awhile there when my ph was unstable due to the hydroton constantly raising it, i would ph down to 5.2 an let it raise to 6.1-6.2, then ph back down to 5.2 and let it raise again.

Now that the hydroton is more stable, it will stay pretty stable for days, seems they like 5.8-6.1. 6.0 seems what they like best in veg for me. But, i still get some P def in veg . no matter if i do the 5.2 and let it swing up, or adjust the ph up myself over days. 5.8-6.1 seems where i get the least P def showing. in flower as well

As for ppms @ .7 conversion, with my tap, the 6/9 puts me at like 960-1000 ppm. my tap is like 60 ppm. 960-1000 seems to me it could be a little high in early veg. but fine later an throughout.

Your PPM's seem alitle high. But if you have a demanding environment then its probably fine.

6/9 is a good base. but it may not be enough for some, especially under 1000's.

I seem to find that using the 6/9 as a base and adding up to 8/16 seems the way to go.

After this last pk boost, instead of cutting the micro completely i cut it in half to 3. and then raised the Bloom to 12, 14, then 16. so it was 3/16. 14 seemed good an im trying 14 next round. In my eyes I'd rather be under feeding then over feeding.

So it seems something like this right now....

on set of 12/12 at 6/9

15-19days in ( or when the sites are dime size) 6/9 and add the 5 mill pk/13/14 or 7mil Liquid Kool bloom. and run that for 7 days.

After the 7 days of PK, i like 3/12- 3/14 to like day 42-45.

then maybe, this run after 45 day im trying 3/9 plus pk to day 50-55. then flush.

Atleast thats the current plan.

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[gmanwho]

Well after running the main bucket area at 6.0 for the first 15-20 in before the pk, i am convinced with my setup 5.8 is where its at.

At 6.0 i had more yellowing. lost more fans and it even seemed the plants didn't fill in as much as they have the past 2 runs in there.

so, unless theres something else throwing a wrench in there that i missed, 5.8 seems the way to go.

Also, since i have some liquid bat guano (HP organicis 0-4-0, 2 gallons) and some ewc. i am gonna try experimenting running these in additon to the GH regime. adding a cup of ewc to the mycrohize an barley straw. and adding 5 mil per gal of the liquid guano.

Just gonna have to see what they bring to the table. but hopefully no nasty rez slime issues.

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[gmanwho]

an then some

an then some

Heres some pics of the dried RK. Nice smooth, some light berrry taste at first then a earthy church after taste. Not to strong,but she seems to be getting more potent as she's been curing.

RK

Heres some shots of the multilevel 1 gal system. things are falling over. i forgot to reset the timer after a rez change one day at about day 30-35, it didnt feed for 5 days before i noticed all the wilting. Lost ALOT of fan leaves due to this. and i know the leaves arent pretty, but behind the dead or drying yellowing leaves is some sticky goodness ... for sure.

Next time less plants in this area.

Day 60ish

whole shot

whole shot , mainly casey jones

casey jones

ep

RK

Soma lavender. she really is pretty ill underneath all that leaf.

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[guest121295]

Shit G-Man, you've quite a nice pile on your hands.Nice work on the vertical tube, I'm heading that way when this round finishes off in a month or so. No lack of buds in that space, bravo!!!

 

[gmanwho]

Hey chaco, thank u. gottta love the pyrex bake-a-round glass.

ya too much in there, next time im putting less plants in. been thinking of installing a mesh or metal trellis around the light. if anything gets within 5 inches of the tube they fry, even with the cooltube and a fan blowing directly up at it. could have done a 600 in there no problem.


I thought i posted this yesterday, but it seems i deleted the post before it took. it was about the caseys. And chaco i believe i remember seeing your had a pack.

I've come to the conclusion that i need to keep the my casey pheno's in there own system. some want to much food like my #7 and #11, while #9 is fine with the other strains. Plus they seem to want another 10 or so days and the flush becomes to early for caseys.

Since they are heavy eaters an want more food they loose there fans earlier then all the others even when feeding at 1400-1450 ppm, 6/14 plus pk, plus the ewc tea & guano, silica blast & floralicious +. or maybe something is off for them......

the thing is.....the smaller fans just on the outside of the bud sites die off, they shrink and shrivel up. in late bloom, the buds swell an then encase the dead leaves. the dead leaves have no immunity and create a bud rot situation. after last harvest i sat down and figured this out as i had a couple areas of bud rot. was unsure and wondering why at 35%rh am i getting bud root. I'm sure the foliar feedings didnt help moistening the dead leaves getting rot started. For the most part my casey 7& 11 cuts should be exclusively together from now on.

So far i feel the EWC tea an Liquid guano have contributed positively in flower.

I have also noticed pretty strong lateral root development on all plants in veg. since adding the EWC tea , i seem to have alot more furry roots. Everything seems all gravy.

In a few days im gonna throw up some day 70 close shots... the caseys realllyy frosted nice under the 1K.


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