Adjust a wing questions- what is your experience?

[cannaboy]

Get a Mantis pro's it is an upgraded A-wing basically. The cords can break on the wings and you can't have 1 side up on 1 a wing and the other down like you can on a mantis pro so you get a massive arch with two side by side. They light 1.2m /1.7 m space per reflector. With a spreadder and 600's you take te piss on how close you get them to the plants. 1000 are useless you are silly to pay more and get less light I hate people that think a 1000 is the Dogs. The further away you take the light from the floor the less lumens the base of a plant gets and you need 11000 lumens to get ripe bits so a 4 ft plant with a 1000 over it 45cm + away is reciveng less than a 600 30 cm away the room is cooler and you get 150 lpw as apposed to 140 lpw from a 1000 gettin the pic. The 4 ft plant has now got more than 25000 lumens at its lowest bud sites..... these shades are DARK!!!! how is a 1000 better? anyone? 3 600watters is 1800watts total 200 less than 2 1000's and with more points of source it makes sence to use them..

 

[Greyskull]

um.... well i appreaicite your info on the matis.
don't you think that if you can get the 1000s the same distance away as the 600s, you'll be slamming MORE lumens on them? Just because the light is bigger doesn't mean it needs to be kept further away - its about keeping the plant canopy temps comfortable for the plants, right? so if you can keep the canopy nice and cool and still slam them with 1000's and get bigger denser buds whats wrong with that? don't hate man...

i have friends that use 600s... some get great results (growing 2 or 3 per 600), some get subpar results (running 20 per 600).

Peronsally I like the results I have gotten with my 1ks over my 600, every time. More yeild.

 

[cannaboy]

um.... well i appreaicite your info on the matis.
don't you think that if you can get the 1000s the same distance away as the 600s, you'll be slamming MORE lumens on them? Just because the light is bigger doesn't mean it needs to be kept further away - its about keeping the plant canopy temps comfortable for the plants, right? so if you can keep the canopy nice and cool and still slam them with 1000's and get bigger denser buds whats wrong with that? don't hate man...

i have friends that use 600s... some get great results (growing 2 or 3 per 600), some get subpar results (running 20 per 600).

Peronsally I like the results I have gotten with my 1ks over my 600, every time. More yeild.

you don't get it do you a 6 is better than a 1000 because of the lpw it has 10more lpw than a 1000 that is 7% more than a 1000.. Lumens emmited are only part of the equasion lumens recived by the plant are much more important lumens recived are measured in watts-per-squqre-foot or foot candels one foot candel equals the the ammount of light that falls on one square foot of surface located 1 foot away from 1 candel. lamp intencity doubles every 6 inches closer to the plant get it yet.....


a 1000w with 140 lpw@ 4 feet= 10.000 lumens
a 600w with 150 lpw@ 3 feet= 10.000 lumens

4x4=16square feet,1000 watts/16 square feet = 62watts per square foot
100 watts/m2=100watts per cm2

3x3=9square feet,600 watts/9=66 watts per square foot 600w/m2=6watts per cm2

the relationship between light emitted from a point source (bulb) and the distance are defined by the inverse square law . This law affirms that the intensity of light changes in inverse proportion of the square of the distance

I=L/D2

Intencity= light output /distance2

HiD's are bright growers who properly manage intence brightness harvest more weed per watt. Intensity is the magnitude of light energy per unit of area It is greatest nearer the bulb and diminishes rapidly as it moves away..
for example plants 2 foot away from a lamp recive one-fourth the light by plants 1 foot away a HID that emits 100,000 lumens produces a partly 25,000 lumens 2 feet away (60cm) a 1000 watt that emits 100,000 inital lumens yields 11,111 lumens three feet away (90 cm) couple this megar sum with a poorly designed reflector and beautiful buds suffer big time.. the closer a plant is to the light source the more PAR watts it recives and the better it grows, as long as it is not so close that heat from lamp burns the foliage. with a high quality reflector made from non conductive matireals heat escapes faster and there is no dancing with the devil...

under perfect conditions plants that revived less PAR matured slowly and produced less

for exanple a 1000 watt that produces 100,000 lumens at source produces the following.. the goal is to give plants 10,000 lumens if you use 3 600w you get a total 270.000 lumens at a cost of $0.18 per hour(cost per kwh = $0.10)
If you use 2 1000 watt you get 280.000 lumens at a cost of $0.20 per hour
use the examples above to see how the 1000 watt offers more watts per square foot amd m2 to achive the desired output of 10.000 lumens, however the bulb also produces a hot spot in the center of the illuminated area. Plants tend to grow into hot spots and shade other plants although a 400w has a lower lumen per watt conversion, when used properly they are more efficient than higher wattage bulbs. One 1000 watt halide produces 115.000 initial lumens and a 400 watt 40.000 this means that each 400watt needs to be lowered to produce a similar ammount of light it also means several different light point sources sustain more even intence light distrubution.

A 1000 watt with a "hotspot" must be placed 36 inches (90 cm) from plants
600s can go as close as 18cm with a hood that reflects light and heat evenly,, when placed closer a 600 produces as much light a a 1000. The propper reflective hood over the lamp and reflective walls walls double the grow area growers that use the most effective hoods harvest up to twice as mush as those who don't....

One option is to remove the hoods as with no hood lamp burns cooler and emits only direct light.. or a light moover but these still make 600's the best..

 

[Greyskull]

you don't get it do you a 6 is better than a 1000 because of the lpw it has 10more lpw than a 1000 that is 7% more than a 1000.. Lumens emmited are only part of the equasion lumens recived by the plant are much more important lumens recived are measured in watts-per-squqre-foot or foot candels one foot candel equals the the ammount of light that falls on one square foot of surface located 1 foot away from 1 candel. lamp intencity doubles every 6 inches closer to the plant get it yet.....


a 1000w with 140 lpw@ 4 feet= 10.000 lumens
a 600w with 150 lpw@ 3 feet= 10.000 lumens

4x4=16square feet,1000 watts/16 square feet = 62watts per square foot
100 watts/m2=100watts per cm2

3x3=9square feet,600 watts/9=66 watts per square foot 600w/m2=6watts per cm2

the relationship between light emitted from a point source (bulb) and the distance are defined by the inverse square law . This law affirms that the intensity of light changes in inverse proportion of the square of the distance

I=L/D2

Intencity= light output /distance2

HiD's are bright growers who properly manage intence brightness harvest more weed per watt. Intensity is the magnitude of light energy per unit of area It is greatest nearer the bulb and diminishes rapidly as it moves away..
for example plants 2 foot away from a lamp recive one-fourth the light by plants 1 foot away a HID that emits 100,000 lumens produces a partly 25,000 lumens 2 feet away(60cm) a 1000 watt that emits 100,000 inital lumens yields 11,111 lumens three feet away (90 cm) couple this megar sum with a poorly designed reflector and beautiful buds suffer big time.. the closer a plant is to the light source the more PAR watts it recives and the better it grows, as long as it is not so close that heat from lamp burns the foliage. with a high quality reflector made from non conductive matireals heat escapes faster and there is no dancing with the devil...

under perfect conditions plants that revived less PAR matured slowly and produced less

for exanple a 1000 watt that produces 100,000 lumens at source produces the following.. the goal is to give plants 10,000 lumens if you use 3 600w you get a total 270.000 lumens at a cost of $0.18 per hour(cost per kwh = $0.10)
If you use 2 1000 watt you get 280.000 lumens at a cost of $0.20 per hour
use the examples above to see how the 1000 watt offers more watts per square foot amd m2 to achive the desired output of 10.000 lumens, however the bulb also produces a hot spot in the center of the illuminated area.Plants tend to grow into hot spots and shade other plants although a 400w mhas a lower lumen per watt conversion when used properly they are more efficient than higher wattage bulbs. One 1000 watt halide produces 115.000 initial lumens and a 400 watt 40.000 this means that each 400watt needs to be lowered to produce a similar ammount of light it also means several different light point sources sustain more even intence light distrubution.

A 1000 watt with a "hotspot" must be placed 36 inches (90 cm) from plants
600s can go as close as 18cm with a hood that reflects light and heat evenly,, when placed closer a 600 produces as much light a a 1000. The propper reflective hood over the lamp and reflective walls walls double the grow area growers that use the most effective hoods harvest up to twice as mush as those who dont....

One option is to remove the hoods as with no hood lamp burns cooler and emits only direct light.. or a light moover but these still make 600's the best..

36" lol. thats retarded!

... and when you don't follow the 'waste all your light' rule of light hanging and place your 1000w 12-24" away from the canopy whats gonna happen? Whats the lumen difference for a 1000w at 18" vs a 600w at 18"? something tells me the 1000 is going to be greater but i am not that great at math....

put the 1000 at 18" and the 600 a 18" and you tell me which is more powerful. please.

control the heat at the canopy and you are golden. use the old 'does it burn your hand' trick - too hot to close.

btw i have a 600 i use over a 3x3 in the winter months and am about to start using it again as the weather is cooling off. My 1k/4x4s ALWAYS YEILD MORE (at least double) THAN MY 600/3x3. And I like my 600 @ 12" above the topps....

all that said, IMO/E if you grow plants taller than 30" anything less than a 1000w per 4x4 will not garner optimal results.

 

[Teeg420]

first started with 600's with 3x3 trays got nice buds. After switching to 1ks will never go back i personally like the donkey honkers they put out. I think eminem talked about 600's versus the 1kw he usually runs and wasnt that impressed.

 

[Standaman]

I don't know about end results but i bought 2 of these badboys and there a no more dark spots in my tent.
I have them 10-12 inches off my plants still with fans aimed at them and they seem to have taken 2-3 c off my temps.
I got 2 wings 2 ballasts 2 son-t 600 £100

 

[Dreamscape]

Is the mantis pro made by the same company ?? ... (doesn't appear so)

Is it EXACTLY the same except for the adjustment being stronger ?? ... (seems you can only adjust Mantis to 3 settings ??)

It also doesnt appear to be quite AS adjustable as the Adjust-A-Wing.


http://www.basementlighting.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?page=1/PROD/REAM

it also seems after a quick google search they are only able to be purchased from European sites ... ??

 

[Owl Mirror]

These are sweet !
Super-Spreader® MEDIUM SUPER SPREADER @ $29.95
While they naturally say it compliments their Adjust-A-Wings®, I assume it would work on any light.

I'm unable to go spending a few hundred dollars for both but, I might be able to swing one or two of these spreaders.

 

[Dreamscape]

Is the mantis pro made by the same company ?? ... (doesn't appear so)

Is it EXACTLY the same except for the adjustment cable being stronger ?? ... (seems you can only adjust Mantis to 3 settings because its not a cable??)

It also doesnt appear to be quite AS adjustable as the Adjust-A-Wing.


http://www.basementlighting.com/Merc...ge=1/PROD/REAM

it also seems after a quick google search they are only able to be purchased from European sites ... ??

 

[cannaboy]

It has 5 settings and is made of better heat resistent metal to cool faster..

 

[MrBananaSlug]

I'm currently in the market for either the adjust-a-wing or the mantis pro. Going to be getting two of them to pair with my 1000w nextgen digitals and hortilux super hps bulbs in my flower room. Can anyone confirm that the Mantis Pro is just an upgraded version of the Adjust-A-Wing?

 

[Shcrews]

I've never seen a Mantis Pro, so i cant comment on them. however, I have an Adjustawing, have used it for 3 grows, and it outperforms any other hood i've used... i've grown side by side with a Vertizontal, a Radiant, and a Super Sun 2 and i rank them like this

1. Adjust a wing
2. Radiant
3. Vertizontal
4. SS2

i never used the super spreader with it. The adjust-a-wing diffuses the heat from the bulb so well already that I can get within 18" of the canopy no problem with 1000W bulb.

Radiant hoods are also great for providing intense light, but have a smaller footprint than the adjust-a-wing. my purple and blue strains always get the most colorful under a Radiant hood for some reason

 

[mpd]

Really? I've gotten outstanding results with a vertical kool-tube where I cut the reflector off that comes with the fixture. Adjustawing outperforms the kool-tube? This isn't anecdotal, this is the real-deal? I find it hard to believe because the kool-tube is direct radiance of light whereas the reflector reflects the light and some of the photonic energy is lost in the reflection bounce. It's not much, but it is something, so I find it hard to believe bouncing the light will get a better result than the direct light, though I have no reason to cast dispersions on anyone's word or experience.

Interesting debate and interesting thread. K+ on that score to be sure.

 

[Shcrews]

Really? I've gotten outstanding results with a vertical kool-tube where I cut the reflector off that comes with the fixture. Adjustawing outperforms the kool-tube? This isn't anecdotal, this is the real-deal? I find it hard to believe because the kool-tube is direct radiance of light whereas the reflector reflects the light and some of the photonic energy is lost in the reflection bounce. It's not much, but it is something, so I find it hard to believe bouncing the light will get a better result than the direct light, though I have no reason to cast dispersions on anyone's word or experience.

Interesting debate and interesting thread. K+ on that score to be sure.

i think you misunderstood, if you were commenting on my post, i've never used a cool tube.. I've heard great things about vertically mounted bulbs in cool tubes.

but as far as horizontal reflectors are concerned, the Adjust A Wing style provides the most intense light hands down

 

[dasmoke505]

So what is the final out come on the adjust a wing? My orignal plan was to put 2-1000 watt on a 3x6. I read the manufacturer foot print 6x7'6". Soo will you get the same result as 2-1000 watter?

 

[Shcrews]

^your best bet is two 600's, i would use radiant hoods

 

[mpd]

..i think you misunderstood, if you were commenting on my post, i've never used a cool tube.. I've heard great things about vertically mounted bulbs in cool tubes...

My bad and my apologies. Sorry for pooping in the thread fellas. Continue the mission.

 

[dasmoke505]

I like that idea using 600. It will save money on the power bill. But will it produce the same as 1000 watts? I am getting 1 pound out of my 1000 watt at the moment. Will I get the same with 600?

 

[cannaboy]

I like that idea using 600. It will save money on the power bill. But will it produce the same as 1000 watts? I am getting 1 pound out of my 1000 watt at the moment. Will I get the same with 600?

If you do your grams per watt will calculate to better efficiancy. Cheaper buds is always good..

depends if you had your last grow dialed in, if it wasn't then you will always make improvements and switching to a 600 and doing it right 1st time will make it worth your while.

A time comes in a growers life when he realizes he was doing things wrong before and it is hard to admit to yourself but you will never look back. The transition of learning to mastering is a long windey road. Taking the step from playing plants to paying plant is what its all about its against the law for most. If something is worth doing its worth doing well.