Help! These plants are dying!

[Oryx]

What in Jah's name is wrong with these things?

They are almost a couple months old already and extremely stunted. Probably due partially to the low lighting conditions.

SOIL:

How long has this problem been going on? Since a couple weeks into the growth.
What STRAIN are these? 4 are feminized ak48, 2 are bagseed
What was the establishing technique? Seed
What is the age of these plants? 1 month, 12 days.
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now? Since germ.
How Tall are the plants? Roughly 3-4 inches.
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? Veg.
What Technique are is used? (SOG, SCROG etc) Micro-SOG
What size pots is used? (Include how many subjects to pot) 16oz bottles.
What substrate/medium is used? What brand of soil mixture is used?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?): Miracle-Gro Organic Choice Potting Mix. (50-55% composted bark, sphagnum peat moss, pasteurized poultry litter and an organic wetting agent)
What Nutrient's are used? None, though soil has inherent 10-5-5
How much of each nutrient is used with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* None
How often are they feed? n/a
If flowering, when were switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are mixing nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect) n/a
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of nutrients used? no idea
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? 6-7
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? Strips
How often are they watered? Once or twice a week, "pick-up" method
When was the last feeding and how often are they fed? n/a
What size bulb is used? 23w
What is the distance to the canopy? 2-3in
What is the RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 20-40%
What is the canopy temperature? 70-80 DF
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) 70 min, 80 max
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) not sure, but it's enough for the space.
Tell us about the ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ? 24/0, through a carbon scrubber
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? no
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? maybe towards the bottom of the containers. holes were just poked to hopefully remedy that.
Is the water HARD or SOFT? soft
What water are is used? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? RO
Is water from a water softener? no
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? no, aside from dead stuff falling off
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? no
Are plant's infected with pest's? yes. fungus gnats are present. a layer of perlite was added to the top to hopefully remedy this. small blackish-brownish mites have become noticeable on the perlite. no traces of spider mites on the leaves. not sure what these are. too small to photograph.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

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[PuReKnOwLeDgE]

Miracle-Gro Organic Choice Potting Mix

 

[tokinafaty420]

Toasted em. You might be able to revive them if you try very very hard and act quickly, but personally i would scrap them and start over with different soil that doesn't have any fertilizer.

 

[b8man]

I'm not sure what it is - it's in a pretty advanced state though bud. This has been going on from a couple of weeks in? I'd guess at any combination of a phosphorous or potassium or mg def. But it might be too late to do anything.

If I were you, I'd start again with a less treated soil (or coco) and a line of nutrients to suit them. Miracle grow isn't very good for cannabis - though it can be used - it's not plug and play. And you need a good reliable line of nutrient. I think your plants are in the state they're in because they've not been fed enough. Usually you start feeding nutes after a couple of weeks from seed.

For now, you could try feeding them a nice rounded nute like 20-20-20 just to pick them up. But I think it might be too late

Good luck man and plant....

 

[sallyforthDeleted member 75382]

Maybe the fungus gnats have eaten yer roots. Also miracle grow soil's are known to be not good for growing cannabis.

If that were mine I would start all over again. Get good soil and sprinkle top layer with dried garlic powder/granules...fungus gnats hate garlic.

See what others say.

EDIT:b8man did a similar post at the same time, beat me to it lol

 

[Billy Burroughs]

Toasted em. You might be able to revive them if you try very very hard and act quickly, but personally i would scrap them and start over with soil that doesn't have any fertilizer in it.

i agree 100% with scraping them those are beyond help if you stress them before they even get roots what do you think the plants going to grow up like you get what you put into it

and lol why would yu just go to wal mart and buy miracle grow anyways at least go to a hydro store and get yourself some good soil i prefer roots organic i got fungus gnats from a bag of fox farm ocean forest so i refuse to buy any of there crap but i gotta buddy his dads been growing weed for 30+ years in this soil mix called black gold the package with the red flower on it and feeds peters for nutes and thats it and they guy pulls down 10 pounds every 2 months i dont know how he gets so lucky ya he gets the mites here n there but he's like me there too fuck this time to get out the avid and repaint the walls before a new grow comes in

 

[tokinafaty420]

BTW what kind of bulb are you using? Also get your humidity up. 20% is far too low for vegging. Try to get it up to like 70%.

 

[Billy Burroughs]

I'm not sure what it is - it's in a pretty advanced state though bud. This has been going on from a couple of weeks in? I'd guess at any combination of a phosphorous or potassium or mg def. But it might be too late to do anything.

If I were you, I'd start again with a less treated soil (or coco) and a line of nutrients to suit them. Miracle grow isn't very good for cannabis - though it can be used - it's not plug and play. And you need a good reliable line of nutrient. I think your plants are in the state they're in because they've not been fed enough. Usually you start feeding nutes after a couple of weeks from seed.

For now, you could try feeding them a nice rounded nute like 20-20-20 just to pick them up. But I think it might be too late

Good luck man and plant....

no no no no you do not need a line of nutes lines of nutes are for people that dont know how to grow in soil you need to get a peet and ewc base soil with some other ammendments so all you have to do for 60 days is pour on nothing but water lines of nutes are a total ripp off i pay less than 100 dollars and make myself enough soil to last one year worth of growths gettin 6 a year so you show me a "line of nutes" that can top that organics dont come in bottles organics comes from coposting soil ammended soils my mix is really a soilless so i can run my water run offs down as low as 4.7 and be doing just fine and i can also run it as high as 6.8-6.9 no problems soil and lines of nutes are what the guy at the hydro store told ya your going to need ya they hooked ya up just like any good salesman would honestlly these ppl dont hook people up they're really trying to hook up there commissions

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

Billy - While that is a perfectly fine way to go, I think seeing this issue he should stick to a simple method until he's got a good feel of the plants and what the need, how they grow. You may be anti-"chemical" but they produce amazing buds, and can be done very simply.

I don't know how large you're growing, but $100 goes a long way with some simple nutes. It's not expensive until you start getting all the fancy stuff. The basics are cheap, and easy to use.

 

[tokinafaty420]

Billy - While that is a perfectly fine way to go, I think seeing this issue he should stick to a simple method until he's got a good feel of the plants and what the need, how they grow. You may be anti-"chemical" but they produce amazing buds, and can be done very simply.

Yea I agree, it may not be the popular thing to do, but getting soil or a peat moss mix that doesn't contain fertilizers and using a simple cheap all round powder fert that you add to water will work just fine for a new grower.

Stay away from MG, scott's or whatever else there is out there that comes with time release ferts.

 

[hazy]

Ditch em. By the time you get them out of that stunt, if it's even possible, you could be vegged and flipped.

If you would have given them some Miracle grow fertilizer all along, they'd maybe be fine. But, you should have already started something to replace them.

I won't suggest a fert line. I think soil growers should go organic or go to coco.

 

[greenhead]

Miracle-Gro Organic Choice Potting Mix

You're wrong.

I've used Miracle Grow Organic Choice (the orange bag) for 2-3 grows, because it was all that was available in my area and the plants are always real healthy looking. I mix it with some perlite and it works just fine.

Those plants in the pix look really bad and fucked up. It's not because of his soil choice though. Something else is the issue there.

 

[greenhead]

Stay away from MG, scott's or whatever else there is out there that comes with time release ferts.

MG organic doesn't have time-release ferts, and that's what he was using.

 

[greenhead]

but personally i would scrap them and start over with different soil that doesn't have any fertilizer.

It hardly has any fertilizer in it, it's pretty weak:

0.10 - 0.05 - 0.05

Something like Fox Farm Ocean Forest is way stronger.

 

[tokinafaty420]

MG organic doesn't have time-release ferts, and that's what he was using.

I never said it did, I was merely offering up the advice to avoid it since I said to find a different soil mix.

It hardly has any fertilizer in it, it's pretty weak:

0.10 - 0.05 - 0.05

Something like Fox Farm Ocean Forest is way stronger.

I never thought that the soil was too hot. My advice for going with soil without fertilizers so that you know exactly what you are working with and there is no guess work. Inert soil w/ the only fertilizers being present through what you have given them yourself. I guess I could have worded it differently.

 

[greenhead]

My advice for going with soil without fertilizers so that you know exactly what you are working with and there is no guess work.

My advice to him would be to figure out what the problem is that is fucking with his plants, the pests etc, and getting rid of it.

There's no reason why his plants shouldn't be 100% green and healthy, just by feeding nothing but water at this stage. It can't be more simple than that for somebody who is inexperienced.

 

[chr0nicxs]

I'd ditch them and start over. Try coco its good quality stuff, Specially Canna coco.

 

[Charles De Mar]

Major nutrient deficiency. Get some all purpose plant food and at least try to revive them.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

My advice to him would be to figure out what the problem is that is fucking with his plants, the pests etc, and getting rid of it.

What's the best way to do that? Get rid of as many variables as you can, and go through the rest one by one.

There's no reason why his plants shouldn't be 100% green and healthy, just by feeding nothing but water at this stage. It can't be more simple than that for somebody who is inexperienced.

How do you figure? He's growing in very small containers with soil that has a very small amount of nutes in it. I dunno about you, but I don't wait 1.5 months to feed my plants.

Scrap it if you've got more seeds/cuts. By the time these girls recover you could have plants the same size that haven't been stressed like these ones have.

Got fungus gnats? Use mosquito dunks and lower the humidity.