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big ballin 88

big ballin 88

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its not that it doesn't smell like the ocean, its just different. It definetly smells like the ocean but its lot stronger with a smell i can't describe. this is the stuff from the place i bought it http://www.vitacost.com/Starwest-Botanicals-Organic-Kelp-Powder?csrc=GPF-767963073259

on another note we do have feed stores in the area im headed to today. If it wasn't for the plants dscussion i have going on i would probably buy some seed meals since they have good nutrional value.

I have one more question, currently i use milled flax seeds in my mix, do you think that it helps or not really since they've been milled and lost oils?
 
Clackamas Coot

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big ballin 88 said:
I have one more question, currently i use milled flax seeds in my mix, do you think that it helps or not really since they've been milled and lost oils?
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The flaxseed/linseed seed meal is an excellent soil amendment.

I use that along with alfalfa meal, canola meal, sunflower meal, soybean meal and cottonseed meal mixed using the same amount, i.e. 50 lbs.

On ANY seed meal make sure you get the 'organic, non-GMO' products.

CC
 
big ballin 88

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Clackamas Coot said:
The flaxseed/linseed seed meal is an excellent soil amendment.

I use that along with alfalfa meal, canola meal, sunflower meal, soybean meal and cottonseed meal mixed using the same amount, i.e. 50 lbs.

On ANY seed meal make sure you get the 'organic, non-GMO' products.

CC
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My dad was gonna throw them away and i noticied that they had omega acids and lignin. I don't know if lignin is as good for plants as fungi but it seemed like a good idea. Than later i saw you mention it so it kinda made me happy.

I really like seeing what you do with seed meals, and im trying my hardest to break the dependency from the major stores around me but just have a problem with my soil(which i'm working on thanks to the plants, flowers thread).
 
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big ballin 88 said:
My dad was gonna throw them away and i noticied that they had omega acids and lignin. I don't know if lignin is as good for plants as fungi but it seemed like a good idea. Than later i saw you mention it so it kinda made me happy.

I really like seeing what you do with seed meals, and im trying my hardest to break the dependency from the major stores around me but just have a problem with my soil(which i'm working on thanks to the plants, flowers thread).
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Go to the thread titled "Pimp your Fertilizer" on this Organic Soil - one of the last posts on that thread I have my seed/mineral mix.

HTH

CC
 
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CT Guy

CC,

So I have dug a little deeper into the seaweed question during your hiatus. I talked with the Acadian guy and had them send me a sample. I also talked with Erik Morgan at Organic Approach and he refused to give me his source (great guy, this is just the way he is on sourcing) but he did swear to me it wasn't Acadian, but the quality was comparable. When I looked at the two side by side they were very very similar but there were some small color and flake size differences. So I guess I still don't have any proof. I'm looking to add the Acadian because it's certified organic and I can sell it to the organic farms, but Erik's stuff looks and works great and the price of it is so much less. I'd have to spend 15K just to get a minimum order (1 pallet) from Acadian, and frankly I just don't need that much seaweed at this time.
 
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I do like the powdered extracts better than the liquid though. As long as your careful to keep everything dry (the seaweed literally melts it's so soluble) then it's easier to store and you're not paying high prices for a product that's primarily water.
 
big ballin 88

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how do they manage to make these water soulble?

I noticied it mixes very well with water, but this is also a different product than yours. I found after using the powder vs liquid extracts that the powder seems to make better teas. My plants have no problem being in a low ventalation hot box(for now). I think AN is one of thos things that every organic gardener should have next to EWC, AACT and compost
 
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CT Guy said:
CC,

So I have dug a little deeper into the seaweed question during your hiatus. I talked with the Acadian guy and had them send me a sample. I also talked with Erik Morgan at Organic Approach and he refused to give me his source (great guy, this is just the way he is on sourcing) but he did swear to me it wasn't Acadian, but the quality was comparable. When I looked at the two side by side they were very very similar but there were some small color and flake size differences. So I guess I still don't have any proof. I'm looking to add the Acadian because it's certified organic and I can sell it to the organic farms, but Erik's stuff looks and works great and the price of it is so much less. I'd have to spend 15K just to get a minimum order (1 pallet) from Acadian, and frankly I just don't need that much seaweed at this time.
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CT Guy

I can give you a source that you can buy their minimum of 3# and the full case price (VERY reasonable) and it's the organic variety from ASL which 'might' have made some slight differences.

Send me a PM and I'll get you the supplier's name in PDX.

CC
 
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CT Guy

I'm getting a price quote from another supplier in PDX which carries ASL's 22 kg. pack (I think that's correct).

Let me know if you're interested.

CC
 
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mad librettist said:
is there any benefit to using meals as opposed to dry extract?
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I wish I could comment, but don't have any experience/data with this.

I would say the extract allows you to make a liquid, thereby allowing for foliar application or drenches, while the meal can only topdress or be an "tea ingredient." The extract would be more readily accessible to the microbes, while the meal would take longer to be consumed by microbial activity.
 
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CT Guy said:
The extract would be more readily accessible to the microbes, while the meal would take longer to be consumed by microbial activity.
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CT Guy

I apologize for not being able to provide you with a link but from what I understand it takes 4-6 weeks for kelp meal (in a soil) to break down completely - I'm pretty sure I'm correct on that time line.

Another reason to (*cough*cough*) re-use one's potting soil.

Just a thought.

CC

P.S. - while I don't have any 'science' per se behind my anecdotal experience but I have found brewing up a kelp meal tea to be very beneficial. Is it better than using a seaweed extract? Don't know.
 
big ballin 88

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Clackamas Coot said:
CT Guy

I apologize for not being able to provide you with a link but from what I understand it takes 4-6 weeks for kelp meal (in a soil) to break down completely - I'm pretty sure I'm correct on that time line.

Another reason to (*cough*cough*) re-use one's potting soil.

Just a thought.

CC

P.S. - while I don't have any 'science' per se behind my anecdotal experience but I have found brewing up a kelp meal tea to be very beneficial. Is it better than using a seaweed extract? Don't know.
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Hey CC,

good to hear from you. i've been making my own seaweed extract and i really like the way its turned out for me. Is it better? Who knows? I do know its cheaper on my wallet and it smells pretty good.

I also think anyone who practices organics should re-use their soil. Guano's and rock dust are slow acting so why use it once and throw it away? On another note i gave a future organic grower a good lump of stuff to start with.
 
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Hey guys,

Quick question. Will this stuff delay flowering or prolong the flowering period?
 
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