uk clone only! (and british bred strains)

[DocLeaf]

Looking good fingaz and Elavator Man

Interesting about the line dying, what happened doc? Did they just shrivel and die? As far as I know, the Monsanto Terminator genes don;t work like that, they just produce non-viable plants that won't make seed so you have to keep buying new seed from Monsanto.

The seeds we collected from the original fields,, (from 10kg +) and the seed we procreated ourselves in the 2nd season (IBL)... were ALL sterile in the 3rd growing season.

These Canadian genetics are/were terminating in the sense that the seed will only grow feral (wild) in the 2nd generation.. after-which in the 3rd generation the species is no-longer viable and has no further ecological effects on the surrounding landscape.

We've NEVER seen cannabis genetics perform in this way before,, or since. As the penny-dropped,, a numb feeling of fear came over us,, cannabis was no-longer sacred,, it had been corrupted by the hearts of man (and women).

Hope this helps...

 

[Fingaz2]

My apologies Docleaf if my reeplies are getting a bit off thread, just thought you might want to see some uk hemp. Grown here for fibre I believe, horse bedding & BMW dashboards. For an Essex based company called Hempcore I believe its gone bust now.

 

[DocLeaf]

Cool

Was the crop hermaphrodific? Did you collect any seed? What happened?

Peace dL

 

[harold]

hello indifferent thanks for the info (slightly depressing for us uk outdoor growers though lol), if you had to try and breed a strain for the uk outdoors without it turning ferrell and crappy, i would be interested to hear the best method? i guess to some extent its going to be inevitable.

 

[englishrick]

cool info Doc and wickid pictures Mr Fingers2 ,,,,,,

id love to know if there is a business in growing hemp,,,what do you think guys?,,,ive seen some very cheap land for-sale lately,,,i just bought a small plot behind my house for my dog ,,,land is cool

 

[Elevator Man]

Well I buy hemspeed for fishing bait for about £1 a kilo, so you're going to need a LOT of land to produce anything like a viable amount of seed for any business like that. Again, with fibre-crops, I reckon a few acres would be the minimum you could grow to even turn a small profit.

I don't think there's much hope on the hemp idea guys - as Jimmy Carl Black once said:
"Expenses are sure high, too. If we'd all been living in California, it would've been different"...

 

[englishrick]

i believe the uni in Bath just started somesorta investigation into hemp as an alternatave building material,,,im sure hemp has many uses!!,,,i wonder witch use is best for business,,,,,,

is the hemp industry in the UK is dead???

 

[cannaboy]

The Lga Looked into hemp cropping in 2009

The Lga Looked into hemp cropping in 2009

But without propper security at a site and a team of people overseing the site from BIG BROTHER during planting and harvers, there procedures must be adheered to and the ability to plant 25kgs of seed per acre, it is not profitable on the hectares I own but it would earn more than £250 anualy as arable land..

and you have to give your name.. and go on the books..

 

[indifferent]

That Essex crop is clearly for fibre, hence the way it's planted very closely spaced.

The hemp industry hasn't been viable in the UK since the 1850s at least, the Crimean War was largely fought over the supply of Russian hemp.

Hemp is one of those crops that needs to be grown on a huge scale for economies of scale to be viable so it's only really an economically viable crop on the plains of Canada or the steppes of the Ukraine. When hemp is grown elsewhere, they can't compete on price so they have to produce high quality for niche markets, in the UK that niche was high quality fibre for archival quality paper (all government records are stored on hemp paper) and in Switzerland it was essential oil extraction for the cosmetics industry.

The US hemp industry died out after the Civil War as it was too labour intensive to break and ret a field of hemp manually, when you owned slaves to do the work it was a good cash crop, but after the end of slavery, hemp fell out of favour and tobacco and cotton became the big cash crops of the south.

Also, the US Navy preferred to import Russian hemp was it was wet-retted in ponds and rivers which produced a better quality of fibre than the dew retting done in the US industry. Then the conquest of the Phillipines brought a source of fibre in the form of Manilla Hemp (not actually cannabis) which removed the US Navy's reliance on Russia for it's cordage and sail cloth.

So there have been at least two wars fought because of Russian hemp supplies!

On the alternative building material thing, that's old news, they have been building houses in Ireland using hemp for a few years now:

From the country that brought us the plastic shopping bag tax comes (belatedly) more good news. Over the past few years Irish builders have been experimenting with making houses from hemp. The first was a 450 sq ft office-cum-accommodation in County Monaghan. Built as a joint project between OldBuilders and EcoHabitats, is said not to have contributed any CO2 emissions via its construction materials. (Maybe not strictly true, as the hemp was shipped in from France, due to a hemp cropping ban in Ireland) A timber framed house, the walls were made with a slurry mixture of hemp shiv (the pithy core) and lime, laid up in layers using formwork. A lime render completes the package. According to the builders, it dries quicker than concrete, whilst also being more ‘breathable’. The sound and thermal insulation properties are said to be considerable. And by one calculation it would be possible to grow sufficient hemp in four months to build a house.

http://www.oldbuilders.com/carrowcrory cottage/1 carrowcrory_01.htm

 

[buddymate]

I have seen a few hemp fields in the UK,theres one on youtube with a scouse?kid sitting in it giggling that he has found a ganja fieldRemember a few years ago there was one on the edge of the M25,it was in all the tabloids as lads were pulling up on the hard shoulder to fill their vans.Biggest one I went to see was in Harlow a few years ago,quite impressive.

Hemp has been one of Englands oldest crops. Under the reign of Henry VIII it was ILLEGAL not to grow a small amount of Hemp. All the towns and counties with Hamp or Hemp in their name were actually hemp growing areas, eg Southampton, Hemel Hempsted, Hampstead. The British Navy used sails made from hemp derived canvas - a dutch word for hemp - the only fabric that did not disintegrate in salt water thus allowing Britain the advantage of exploring the world. After the war, it emerged that the allies had agreed certain conditions prior to the US entering the war. Britain banned hemp growing, while France, which was occupied during the war, continued to produce hemp and has a relatively advanced industry. Hemp growing became legal again in the UK in 1993, Germany followed in 1996 with Canada in 1998. The hemp revival that was expected in the late 1990's was not realised at the levels expected. However, with solid growth in Germany and Canada, hemp is finally emerging and being recognised as a potential solution to key global challenges.

 

[DocLeaf]

Congo x Nepal [BeAn]

 

[buddymate]

Anyone know the guys who own pure-sativa,I went to their warehouse in London a few years ago,they showed me pics of their hemp fields in china,if I remember correctly their designers/cutters/manufacturers working on their hemp products were in HK and the hemp itself was grown in mainland china.

 

[Fingaz2]

Eh Buddymate, dunno about dutch, Canvas is an abbreviation of CANnabis satiVAS.
There was a housing estate in Bury put up with panels made of hemp.
I dont think there is any point in persuing the hemp breeding line for THC, it was bred for its fibre, likewise short flowering russian varieties were bred for their seed. Whats the point of trying to polish a turd.

 

[buddymate]

True fingaz,I wouldnt use it

 

[EddieShoestring]

hey=VG i think you could be right about high THC not being selected for. I guess that's where breeding skills (or lack thereof) come in

going to think about it some more

good stuff chaps
eddieS

 

[Fingaz2]

A few british landrace strains bred by us old farts & acclimatized since the seventies.

 

[Londinium]

Beautiful plants Fingaz2 thanx for posting them...makes me feel all warm inside lol! Really Phat and sparkly for UK outdoor as well...nice work!
But according to FRANK and the Powers That Be...weed is 20 times stronger now than the seventies...So those Oldschool ladies must only be 1%THC or so eh!? Might as well make High quality paper out of 'em instead... Luck'n'Lumen's JBo ;]

 

[indifferent]

Very interesting plants Fingaz2, please give us some details on the genes involved in those!

Let's take Cheese as an example, it's not 20x stronger, it's 20x more boring!

Oh how I wish I had kept all the seeds from all the old imported weed I smoked, used to just flick em off the album cover across the room!

 

[Fingaz2]

20x stronger, Hmm, I dont think so. 20x more boring yes. I dont smoke hydro weed, it gives me the zeroheads, but each to their own. Where modern weed has improved is in taste, some of this stuff used to be pretty bonfire, it made you cough, but I seen people pass out on it. Probably the fumes. hehe.
Indifferent you are absolutely right, left to its own the quality will peak for a year or 3, then it goes downhill. Not in all plants, but we grew about 20 a year, & 4/5 of them would be blinding. Decent modern strains will put that up to 95%, maybe more. So what was the point of growing 16 iffy plants, & 4 gooduns. These pics were taken when we had a higher ratio of gooduns, maybe 10 years ago. heres some more.


Londinium, 1 % thc I think not.

 

[DocLeaf]

Nice flowers

Goldfinger [Elevator Man]