Thai Stick Sativa & Original Haze

[Ickis]

Thanks Balance. I will have some photos up today or tomorrow. The thai is still going. Yesterday was the first I have found cloudy trichs. On Feb 4th it will be 10 months since the thai seed first came out of the ground.

The original Haze plant revegged so easily I couldn't believe it. I took cuts and they are rooting now. I think it will finish quicker and have even better buds the next run. I am thinking a multi plant giant scrog with it. Hopefully it can come in around 16 weeks or so the second run.

 

[HashishinReidi]

Congrats on the harvest Ickis real nice looking buds , plants looked the bizz to top job on the grow.

 

[Ickis]

Thanks hashish. It is 25 weeks now and probably will go 2 more weeks maybe more. This thai is like an Ent in Lord of the Rings. It takes them along time to do whatever they are doing.

 

[Ickis]

Here are the pics from today. It is 25 weeks flowering today.

 

[ArcticBlast]

those are frickin awesome bro!!! that's patience

ArcticBlast

 

[GroBoy2000]

Nice buds man. I had a thai stick sat. from gypsy that was growing into a huge beast, I had to off it just 2 weeks into flower due to outside problems. Anyway, she was a beautiful prolific grower. Hope the smoke is nice.

The Haze buds looks killer. I got 9 O.Haze x Skunk freebies in veg now. I'll take your advice of keeping them a bit dry. They are at 20 days veg now. Not sure if I'm gonna take cuts before or after I start them in flower. Will probably start them at 12/12, then in next 30 days, drop em to 11/13. I hope I got the patience like you to keep 'em green so long.

 

[Ickis]

Thanks ArticBlast and GroBoy.

It really wasn't a challenge on the patience ArticBlast because it preferred being in the corner of the room and was taller than other things in the room. It didn't really effect my normal production of other goodies. I will smoke white, chem D and Blueberry and stare at this thai for a year if that's what it takes. LOL! I am dying to smoke it fully matured. So I have no choice but to wait.

GroBoy all the reports I have seen on O. Haze x Skunk #1 done by people who let it finish are excellent. Some say it is the most potent weed they have smoked. Skunk #1 is a very good strain if you have the right stock. It would be in the pot hall of fame if there was one. It was dominant in the cups back in the day and it was so good every breeder used it in crosses. I would say there is Skunk #1 somewhere in the gene pool of most crosses and many elite cuts. Original Haze is kinda a legendary strain with a very potent high. It is also an ibl and true breeding. It is also claimed that when used in a cross the offspring are often more potent than either parent. So if O. Haze x skunk is more potent than Skunk #1 and Original Haze it should be freakin great weed. You gotta finish your grow and take it all the way to see. And I would take a few cuts now or just keep the lowest pop corn branch intact and when you chop reveg. My O. Haze revegged immediately when under 18 hours light. I just took cuts and have them rooting.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Ok I have a question and I am more unexperienced than most of you for sure but when i look at those flowering pics all i see are little leaves everywhere...... are all those easily removed at harvest?

 

[Ickis]

I hear you Johnny. There are trichs and hairs in there. The leaves have been falling and I pluck them out. The O. Haze was kinda the same. The lower half of the leaves deep in size do have sugar on them. I have know idea what they will look like after the dry and trim. I have also heard that some strains like thai don't even have that many trichs and the thc is intrinsically in the flower buds and bud leaves.

I know that the O. Haze buds would be a hard sell based on bag appeal. But not after they smoked some. Heck and OZ would fill a zip lock bag jammed full though.

Earlier in the thread I called this my shaggy dog. LOL!

 

[GroBoy2000]

I was reading notes on crosses, pure sativas, etc, and thought that this applied to the thread

Juicy Fruit
The Highland Thai was a joy to grow and behold, despite its
hermaphroditism. This plant grew fast, filling in any empty spaces
with lush, green growth. It was a very slow finisher, 12 to 16 weeks
and beyond in the bud period for most. It had the longest and
skinniest leaves out of all the plants I have worked with. Thick
side-branching is another characteristic of this variety.

The plant only periodically produced any kind of "tight" bud
structure. Most of the buds were very loose, with some sporting
long, slender shoots of widely-spaced single female flowers in a row
(especially when grown hydroponically under halide lights.)

This bud structure is known as "spindly". Many of these spindles
resemble threads protruding from a semi-formed bud. Each single
thread averaged anywhere from five to ten inches long, some even
longer, and consisted of a row of evenly-spaced female flowers and
their corresponding bract leaves, anywhere from a quarter inch to
one inch apart, alternating bract and flower in single file.


Thai
The entirety of the "thread" and bud structure was coated with
sweet/fruity aromatic resin glands.

The overall plant color was dark, while the bud structures matured a
lighter shade of green, sometimes green/yellow.

I was never able to get a Juicy Fruit Highland Thai to "over
mature". I took one to almost twenty weeks into its flower cycle and
she just kept pumping it out. Outdoors, one was taken in early-mid
December from a greenhouse. The only difference was that the later
harvest was a more stony, body high.

The finished product from the Highland Thai was an all-around
champion herb. Though difficult to trim and cure, the outcome was
fully worth the effort. It was a powerful, long-lasting and
exquisitely flavoured herb with little or no ceiling. The high could
last up to seven hours! The flavour, aroma and taste were a totally
sweet tropical punch - tutti-fruity all the way.

The Purple Thai was the other sativa in my repertoire. This was a
first generation cross between the Highland Oaxaca Gold and the
Chocolate Thai. This cross grew medium/tall and was very symmetric
in structure. The side branches were shorter and, if left alone
(untopped) the main stalk (meristem) remained the dominant shoot.

If you haven't chopped them yet, maybe this will encourage you. Seems the buds of some thai varieties will never stop growing, and never turn into a tight bud. Just get them leaves off and dry her out. I mean, that's what I'd do.

 

[GroBoy2000]

GroBoy all the reports I have seen on O. Haze x Skunk #1 done by people who let it finish are excellent. Some say it is the most potent weed they have smoked. Skunk #1 is a very good strain if you have the right stock. It would be in the pot hall of fame if there was one. It was dominant in the cups back in the day and it was so good every breeder used it in crosses. I would say there is Skunk #1 somewhere in the gene pool of most crosses and many elite cuts. Original Haze is kinda a legendary strain with a very potent high. It is also an ibl and true breeding. It is also claimed that when used in a cross the offspring are often more potent than either parent. So if O. Haze x skunk is more potent than Skunk #1 and Original Haze it should be freakin great weed. You gotta finish your grow and take it all the way to see. And I would take a few cuts now or just keep the lowest pop corn branch intact and when you chop reveg. My O. Haze revegged immediately when under 18 hours light. I just took cuts and have them rooting.

I've never finished a full blown sativa. But I've done some LSTing with great results. No good clone branches yet, maybe see those in next 10 days. If flowering branches can be reliably reverted, I'd like to have that, then I could 12/12 them now. When I harvest in 12wks +, I wanna be able to toss more right into flowering immediately.

One option would be to start their flower cycle now (3wks veg), and look to get clones in about 3 weeks, root for 2 weeks, revert for 2 weeks, that's 7 weeks, plenty of time to reduce to healthy ones/make a mom, etc. Anyone think that's better than waiting another week or 2 for clones? I'm flowering with a 1k, maybe add a 400, in a 7x4x9 closet. I don't want them to overgrow everything when I have 3 or 5 females I'm tying down.

For now, I got 8 soursavers next to them, that need at least 2 more weeks veg before cloning or flowering. Goal would be to have everything chopped and ready for steady rotations by May 1.

But I'm not trying to hijack your thread, just air some thoughts. Your shit looks primo, so it seemed like a good place to ask some questions.

Edit: a last option would be to build a box specifically for the sativas, a 5x5x8 or so thing, with the 1k, and allow 2 400w in the closet. In this case waiting an extra couple weeks to get material for new box might not be so bad, no indicas to overcrowd. lol

 

[muffynumnum]

This is sweet!

 

[Ickis]

You aren't hijacking. This thread could use some pertinent filler material.

That was a great DJ Short article GB. I knew the buds would never really tighten up. I was waiting to see the trichs get cloudy. It has continued to fatten up the buds but they stayed big puff balls even though they have gotten much bigger.

I can't recall if any of the O.H./Sk#1 growers vegged them very long because they can have a really, really big stretch. I wouldn't care how much stretch they had because you could scrog the heck out of this thai or O.H. The problem is when starting from seeds you don't know which ones are male and that can complicate a scrog. And if you wait for them to presex they can be unruly. I suppose though even if they were pretty tall when you figured out sex you could still lst easily because they stay pretty bendable.

I went straight to 12/12 after a day or 2 veg and about 7 weeks it was as tall as it is right now. I cut it in half but left enough bottom branches and then about a week later I cut more. It was only showing a scant amount of hairs by then too and it didn't seem to mind and still produced these buds. But according to my experience and other reports you can do a lot of hacking to control height on these long flowering sativas because trimming them at 8-10 weeks is like trimming a 10 week strain at 2 weeks which many people do.

This is my first long sativa grow. It was basically a fact finding mission to find a few females, see how much they stretch, how long they take, how they grow and whatever. I knew that by starting from 12/12 I wouldn't get an accurate picture on finish time and possibly potency because the plants are not mature when flowered.

I did find 1 female O. Haze and 1 female Thai Stick Sativa. The next grow will be much better. I will have sexually mature females to start with. I am going to scrog them and not have to cut them to control height. I will feed them better. In fact each grow will hopefully get better as I dial in their nutritional needs.

I plan to pop a few more seeds of each and add a few more females as I go and discover different phenos of sativas. I have quite a few packs of freebie O. Haze x Skunk #1 and Thai x Sk #1 to search a few at a time.

 

[GroBoy2000]

Cool, yeah, stretch, with the thai, wasn't too bad a problem, just bend bend and bend again, with a little rope and some clips, all was tight, hopefully will have the same ease with these.

Be sure to give the O Haze x Skunk all the time they need to germ. I wasn't too interested at first, all the soursavers popped, had like 1 OHazexSkunk, kept seeing the soil dry out in my 3" peat pots, (on top and sides) and kept thinking, damn I'm gonna kill my germ rates, but after 2 days in paper towels, and about 5 or 6 in soil, 9 sprang up on me, little fuckers, champions in hiding me thinks, lol.

Congratulations on your first pure sativas, knowledge is always a powerful thing.

 

[feral]

this has excellent info for growing sat's.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1209877#post1209877

 

[mriko]

wow, 25 weeks ! This is patience indeed, great work Ickis, what a babe !

Irie !

 

[HashishinReidi]

top class looking buds there ickis, and at 25 weeks as mirko said that sure show you have alot of patience.And they do say the best things in life comes to those who wait .i bet they are going to taste well nice.

 

[Red Swan]

Nice job man. Good on ya for sayin the truth too even though it was ( predictably) deleted.
It will be interesting to see what the high is like compared to faster haze hybrids like jack Herer or Haze x Skunk. I wonder if the high is the same or altogether different and something is lost in the shorter flower time. I was tripping on giving jack 14 weeks.
I got 9 BB's ready for my first SOG. But that's another subject...

wow, just dropped in and saw two posts were deleted.

 

[trichburner]

Bump....bump,bump I want to see how the Thai stick sat is doing . That's a far cry from the 14week advertised flowering time . Good work

 

[Ickis]

I chopped it yesterday. 27 weeks and it was all cloudy with a few ambers. Scissor hash is awesome. 1 toke and you are talking your ass off. 3 tokes is super uplifting and really head phucked. LOL at whatever. I was high 2 hours easy and I didn't crash. But when I went to sleep and woke up in the morning I felt like I had been passed out. I had a cool dream too. I had super strength and could fly and was kicking a bunch of cops asses who were trying to take my outdoor crops from me. I got them all handcuffed together in a cornfield and was making them take bong hits. Then my wife came out in the corn and yelled at me. She made me let them go, Then I woke up and I was actually mad at her until I came out of my fog.

I can hardly wait to try this stuff dried and cured. I will get some pics up. The thai grow is finally over. On Feb 4 it was 10 MONTHS since I first started the seeds.

The buds are wispy but nice trichs. While trimming I found a seed. It is the only one. Somewhere in there was a little nanner. But now I have a female seed of Thai. I think that is a nice find. I am going to scrog it and let it mature to alternate leaves before flowering it this time. Knowing it is female will allow me to scrog from the start. Otherwise the chance of males make it a pain.