You're right on with that TF... the prodigy should present no problems during bloom.
HydroManiac
Active member
I never like to call plants that were stressed and self polinated hermies because I don't consider those as true hermies to me a hermie would of been a herm no matter how good of a grower a person is
I agree Hydro, but on the other hand, for some reason, I generally won't refer to the prodigy as S1. More like an R1, for rarity.
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Ganja D
Thanks zeppelinhood.
If this is true I may have some awesome seeds to play with someday. Light leak stress def caused my herms, it wasn't natural. So that means the offspring will be femmed and phenos will lead towrds the mothers with the nanners?
I had some pure kush, 3 phenos of double strawberry diesel, strawberry cough and blue moonshine all had at least some seeds, mostly from nanners from a diesel dominant pheno of double strawberry diesel. This was a few crops ago and have at least a few seeds of each.
"if a plant turns hermie strictly because of environmental stress" How could this ever be known for sure? This is the problem with the whole hermie issue, the impossibility of seperating nature from nurture in the cause of hermies. People go on and on about theories, yet I keep coming back to this simple point. If anyone could ever show me proof that it was solely genes, or solely environment in any single case, I might join the conversation, but not until.
tittiefish
Member
One way to tell is if you have a strain that you grow regularly with no issues and then all of a sudden they are stressed and self pollinate that's a pretty good indicator that it was because of stress.
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Ganja D
In my case I had growing same cuts of same strains for a while with no herms. I switched around some ducting had some light leaks and had two power outages two days in a row which messed with my photo period. That is how my plants hermed. I fixed light leaks in ducting and had no fluctuations in photoperiod next crop and had no problems with same cuts. So I think it's safe to say it was caused by stress.
Herbal extasy
Member
That case it does sounds it is because light leaks, if no problems when growing conditions are like they should. I had that cut, that did hermied all the way, but it was so good smoke, I had to keep it.
what about males that shoot off female pistils? do they have any value or should i just toss it?
ArcticBlast
ArcticBlast
I have run many hermi seeds in my day. What has worked for me is to grow em all out and simply label the ones that didn't hermie as the ones to reveg and cull the hermie prone phenotypes.
Most of the hermie x female seeds I have ran have only hermied minimally and once those were pulled off it usually stopped completely. The ones that I revegged that didn't show any hermie traits in the first run, never had hermie issues when ran later from clones.
If they were to be used in breeding projects, unless it was an amazing specimen I would pass on it BUT hermies can be bred out so I guess it depends on how you look at it. If you are fine with some hermies now in the hopes of locating a keeper pheno in the following runs then it is a great idea.
Most of the hermie x female seeds I have ran have only hermied minimally and once those were pulled off it usually stopped completely. The ones that I revegged that didn't show any hermie traits in the first run, never had hermie issues when ran later from clones.
If they were to be used in breeding projects, unless it was an amazing specimen I would pass on it BUT hermies can be bred out so I guess it depends on how you look at it. If you are fine with some hermies now in the hopes of locating a keeper pheno in the following runs then it is a great idea.
Herbal extasy
Member
Those I would toss immediately. Not any value. Just hermie pollen and lots of seeds and minimum bud in those plants.
tittiefish
Member
You can always make some cannabutter from them.
didn't i read something from DJ Short about some weird breeding ideas he had about male to female herms? maybe i'm crazy 
ArcticBlast
ArcticBlast
are you sure about that zep , wouldnt the light leak just be bringing out something in the genetics ????
tittiefish
Member
No, because all plants are capable of self pollinating but some are genetically more prone to it and will hermie with little to no stress just because they are genetically prone to it. Stable strains on the other hand will only self pollinate when stressed as an emergency survival tactic to carry on their genetic line before they die from whatever stress they are experiencing.
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So your saying all cannabis does this??
Id say a trip to the breeders lab to read on hermies would be in order tittiefish. Some great debate on there from very respected individuals , and valuable information that id say youd do well to read ...
Heres a quote from the breeders lab on intersexed plants ... from sam skunkman .
Wow,
I don't know what to say about the lack of understanding about intersexed, hermis.
First of all does anyone think they know why hermis are so common in todays drug genepool?
Is it maybe because of the continued use of female clones that have intersexed genes?
As for Asian plants like Thai, the reason they are so prone to hermi is not because of their high quality, it is because they were poorly bred using intersexed parents.
I have mentioned it before, how if all the growers are trying to produce sinsemilla then any seeds found are likely to be from intersexed male flowers from female plants. Do this for several hundred years and you end up with lots of intersexed genes in the genpool, like Thai. Intersexed plants are not the ones to use for breeding, unless you do not care about adding more intersexed genes to the genepool. I do care and will not use them any more.
I think for most people it is a matter of connivence, and small plant numbers used for breeding. If you had a choice between a intersexed and true female of the same line and they were the same quality which would you choose to breed with? I suggest that most breeders just don't use enough plants to find TRUE FEMALES and so they settle for the best they can find with limited numbers, and if the plant is intersexed they use it anyway, not because it is really the best, but rather because they can not grow enough plants to find what they really want, quality and intersexed free.
Man has allowed intersexed plants to proliferate, it is up to man to fix the problem.
You can be part of the solution, or part of the problem, the choice is yours.
Does anyone really want intersexed palnts? Or do they just have plants they love that also happen to be intersexed? Using intersexed plants for just Cannabis production is harmless, but if the intersexed plants or clone is used to make seeds the problem is being kept alive and being spread to more and more of the drug genepool.
I don't think that anyone wants that.
If you want quality then look for quality, and don't use intersexed plants. Or you will be building on others mistakes.
Tom, do you understand that man created the hermi problems in the first place by using intersexed plants and by not using intersexed plants will fix the problems? No need to hunt them all down and kill them all off. Just don't breed with them, they are a mistake.
-SamS
Wow,
I don't know what to say about the lack of understanding about intersexed, hermis.
First of all does anyone think they know why hermis are so common in todays drug genepool?
Is it maybe because of the continued use of female clones that have intersexed genes?
As for Asian plants like Thai, the reason they are so prone to hermi is not because of their high quality, it is because they were poorly bred using intersexed parents.
I have mentioned it before, how if all the growers are trying to produce sinsemilla then any seeds found are likely to be from intersexed male flowers from female plants. Do this for several hundred years and you end up with lots of intersexed genes in the genpool, like Thai. Intersexed plants are not the ones to use for breeding, unless you do not care about adding more intersexed genes to the genepool. I do care and will not use them any more.
I think for most people it is a matter of connivence, and small plant numbers used for breeding. If you had a choice between a intersexed and true female of the same line and they were the same quality which would you choose to breed with? I suggest that most breeders just don't use enough plants to find TRUE FEMALES and so they settle for the best they can find with limited numbers, and if the plant is intersexed they use it anyway, not because it is really the best, but rather because they can not grow enough plants to find what they really want, quality and intersexed free.
Man has allowed intersexed plants to proliferate, it is up to man to fix the problem.
You can be part of the solution, or part of the problem, the choice is yours.
Does anyone really want intersexed palnts? Or do they just have plants they love that also happen to be intersexed? Using intersexed plants for just Cannabis production is harmless, but if the intersexed plants or clone is used to make seeds the problem is being kept alive and being spread to more and more of the drug genepool.
I don't think that anyone wants that.
If you want quality then look for quality, and don't use intersexed plants. Or you will be building on others mistakes.
Tom, do you understand that man created the hermi problems in the first place by using intersexed plants and by not using intersexed plants will fix the problems? No need to hunt them all down and kill them all off. Just don't breed with them, they are a mistake.
-SamS
